NA - Denver Multiple Shooting

And the movie theatre chain (I don't recall which one it is) announced that they will no longer allow movie goers to wear costumes. That seems to be a silly knee jerk reaction.

I guess the annual tradition go showing Rocky Horror at midnight on Halloween night is over too.....
 
Why do you keep posting Spin Zone material ouside the Spin Zone?

Not SZ material. Personal.

I didn't know telling an ass to mind his own business was SZ material.

Anyone holding a press conference for their own agenda to get National attention while parents are still wondering if their kids are dead, is a sleaze bag scum-sucking human being.

The incident wasn't even eight hours old. He only knew about it for about half that time. That means his FIRST priority was to get in a suit and get on TV.

Not to offer condolences, wait for the story, see if the bomb squad got their heads blown off. Just get on the TV and spout his ideology. He can go to straight to hell for that.

If you did it, I'd say the same to you. Not his town, not his place to say.

(Note I didn't say whether I agree with his assertions or not. THAT would be SZ material.)

He's a cock-sucker for hunting down cameras while our graveyard and swing shift Officers weren't even relieved yet. That's all I care about.

Even the big politicos pulled ALL of their campaign ads here immediately. Far more character.

That's why he's a City Mayor and not one whit more. Stupid.

He can stuff his opinion where the sun doesn't shine. This is our State, not his.
 
Not SZ material. Personal.

I didn't know telling an ass to mind his own business was SZ material.

Anyone holding a press conference for their own agenda to get National attention while parents are still wondering if their kids are dead, is a sleaze bag scum-sucking human being.

The incident wasn't even eight hours old. He only knew about it for about half that time. That means his FIRST priority was to get in a suit and get on TV.

Not to offer condolences, wait for the story, see if the bomb squad got their heads blown off. Just get on the TV and spout his ideology. He can go to straight to hell for that.

If you did it, I'd say the same to you. Not his town, not his place to say.

(Note I didn't say whether I agree with his assertions or not. THAT would be SZ material.)

He's a cock-sucker for hunting down cameras while our graveyard and swing shift Officers weren't even relieved yet. That's all I care about.

Even the big politicos pulled ALL of their campaign ads here immediately. Far more character.

That's why he's a City Mayor and not one whit more. Stupid.

He can stuff his opinion where the sun doesn't shine. This is our State, not his.

That's about as weak a rationalization as I've seen.

Look up at the top of this page: "Politics and religion and any other topic likely to become highly charged must be posted in The Spin Zone."

Are you seriously trying to tell me that what you wrote above is not highly charged?

I'm not saying I disagree with your sentiments, but there's a place for that kind of thing, and outside the Spin Zone isn't it. Why not just follow the rules?
 
And the movie theatre chain (I don't recall which one it is) announced that they will no longer allow movie goers to wear costumes. That seems to be a silly knee jerk reaction.

I guess the annual tradition go showing Rocky Horror at midnight on Halloween night is over too.....

"I'm sorry sir, you can't wear that in this theater..." BLAM! :rolleyes:
 
I will consider a new endeavor to report National public figures exploiting dead children, while the children's parents are still looking for them, in the appropriate PoA area in the future.

Dead children being used as political pawns by a sociopath, is only worthwhile information when posted to the correct location.
 
I will consider a new endeavor to report National public figures exploiting dead children, while the children's parents are still looking for them, in the appropriate PoA area in the future.

Dead children being used as political pawns by a sociopath, is only worthwhile information when posted to the correct location.

Violating the rules always looks justified to a writer when it's a subject that the writer is passionate about.
 
Suspect was a graduate student at University of Colorado at Denver in neuroscience. Dropped out last month. Per CBS 4 here in Denver.

We need to ban PHd programs! If he would not have gone to college to do graduate work we would not have had this tragedy. :rolleyes:
 
don't care who he is or where he went to school - wish the media would not give the attention he is getting. like someone on the radio said yesterday - just call him 'the monster'.
 
don't care who he is or where he went to school - wish the media would not give the attention he is getting. like someone on the radio said yesterday - just call him 'the monster'.

I certainly am not liking seeing his picture every time I open Yahoo!
 
I blame the media, in part, for this incident. And they are trying as hard as they can to ensure it will happen again.

The shooter is getting exactly what he wants. Non stop, 24 hour a day national attention to the exclusion of more important news. He knew from Columbine and the massacre in Norway he'd get what he wants.

I'm not saying coverage isn't imprortant. Report the facts. Give updated as appropriate. Move on to the next story. Don't glamorize a murderer just so you can boost ratings through gratuitous coverage of violence.
 
And some people have nothing else to do but worry about Internet rules. Yay rules.

I set my forum options so that the Spin Zone doesn't show up when I click on the New Posts link because I prefer looking at political stuff when I'm in the mood for it instead of having it in my face every time I access the board. When people start threads that are highly likely to become political outside the Spin Zone, I feel a bit like a captive audience. You have started several threads like that. I do admit, however, that this might not have been the best time to bring it up. You certainly have every right to be upset about what has happened.
 
He looks ... wrong... Doesn't he?

I'm in the habit of using Yahoo for Internet seaches (for no particular reason, I admit), and I found that I had no interest in seeing the smiling face of a mass murderer multiple times per day. Fortunately, they have taken it down by now.
 
Not sure what looks wrong about him :confused:

I can't speak for Woodstock, but in the picture I saw, he looks like a nice, normal guy. That, and the expression on his face, are incongruous with his actions. I think that's what gave me a creepy feeling on seeing the picture.
 
I can't speak for Woodstock, but in the picture I saw, he looks like a nice, normal guy. That, and the expression on his face, are incongruous with his actions. I think that's what gave me a creepy feeling on seeing the picture.

The full face photo (probably the same as yours): his eyes look dead. Creepy.
 
I can't speak for Woodstock, but in the picture I saw, he looks like a nice, normal guy. That, and the expression on his face, are incongruous with his actions. I think that's what gave me a creepy feeling on seeing the picture.
I agree. I don't think that I would have seen anything unusual or abnormal about his face or expression, without prior knowledge of his horrific, violent behavior.

I'm also not sure when that picture was taken, and I could be wrong but I had the impression it was from his undergraduate days and so at least a year ago.
 
What's wrong with his face, is that it hasn't been burned off with a cutting torch yet.
 
I blame the media, in part, for this incident. And they are trying as hard as they can to ensure it will happen again.

The shooter is getting exactly what he wants. Non stop, 24 hour a day national attention to the exclusion of more important news. He knew from Columbine and the massacre in Norway he'd get what he wants.

I'm not saying coverage isn't imprortant. Report the facts. Give updated as appropriate. Move on to the next story. Don't glamorize a murderer just so you can boost ratings through gratuitous coverage of violence.

I feel bad for the victims of this horrendous act! very sad that you can't even go to see a movie in peace. RIP.

Speaking of the media. I wonder why they reserve the term "terrorist" for middle eastern or muslim people only?

This maniac is definitely a terrorist and committed a terrorist act as many other domestic terror episodes, yet we never hear that term. Very interesting.
 
I feel bad for the victims of this horrendous act! very sad that you can't even go to see a movie in peace. RIP.

Speaking of the media. I wonder why they reserve the term "terrorist" for middle eastern or muslim people only?

This maniac is definitely a terrorist and committed a terrorist act as many other domestic terror episodes, yet we never hear that term. Very interesting.

Good observation Redtail. One part of me would like to see him tried as a terrorist under a military tribunal with a different set of rules than the civil courts, but the other part of me doesn't want to elevate him to that level.
 
Good observation Redtail. One part of me would like to see him tried as a terrorist under a military tribunal with a different set of rules than the civil courts, but the other part of me doesn't want to elevate him to that level.
This SOB needs to die a horrible public death.

Let the next SOB see him die screaming for it to be over.

See if our liberal media carries that for days on end..
 
Good observation Redtail. One part of me would like to see him tried as a terrorist under a military tribunal with a different set of rules than the civil courts, but the other part of me doesn't want to elevate him to that level.

I've observed a lot of double standards in the 46 years I've been on planet earth! :mad2:

One other observation... you mean to tell me that they can't find a more appropriate picture or mugshot of this fool than the one with the silly grin?

How about one with him in handcuffs or something! Come on:mad:
 
This SOB needs to die a horrible public death.

Let the next SOB see him die screaming for it to be over.

See if our liberal media carries that for days on end..

I'm with you there.

I've observed a lot of double standards in the 46 years I've been on planet earth! :mad2:

One other observation... you mean to tell me that they can't find a more appropriate picture or mugshot of this fool than the one with the silly grin?

How about one with him in handcuffs or something! Come on:mad:

Truly. Don't glamorize him. Make it something negative, something you don't want to be portrayed as.
 
I've observed a lot of double standards in the 46 years I've been on planet earth! :mad2:

One other observation... you mean to tell me that they can't find a more appropriate picture or mugshot of this fool than the one with the silly grin?

How about one with him in handcuffs or something! Come on:mad:

We should not even know his name, let alone see his picture. The glorification of his deed is what he was after, and he is getting it. Copy cat perps are already looking at this and saying "Hey, I can kill more people than that."

Redtail, the term "domestic terrorist" was used for he OK bomber, seem to fit here to.
 
We should not even know his name, let alone see his picture. The glorification of his deed is what he was after, and he is getting it. Copy cat perps are already looking at this and saying "Hey, I can kill more people than that."

Redtail, the term "domestic terrorist" was used for he OK bomber, seem to fit here to.

I agree with what you are saying, Geico. But the public deserves to know the basic facts. I certainly agree he should not be given the attention he has been given.
 
We should not even know his name, let alone see his picture.


I think that's a little unrealistic. However, at least find a non-smiling photo or better yet, use a police mugshot or picture of the perp in handcuffs!

The families of the victims deserve to see the monster for what he is, not some happy smiley face! Who wants to see a smiling terrorist, domestic or foreign!!!

I wonder how many copycats are planing to get their smiley face planted all over the media! :mad2:
 
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I've observed a lot of double standards in the 46 years I've been on planet earth! :mad2:

One other observation... you mean to tell me that they can't find a more appropriate picture or mugshot of this fool than the one with the silly grin?

How about one with him in handcuffs or something! Come on:mad:
The local police will not release any current photos. Wisely, I might add.
 
Good observation Redtail. One part of me would like to see him tried as a terrorist under a military tribunal with a different set of rules than the civil courts, but the other part of me doesn't want to elevate him to that level.

Only if torture is an option. Oh wait, it isn't. I meant enhanced interrogation.

Show a pic of him behind bars - in a cell with the two biggest Bubba's in arapahoe detention center, and a bar of soap.
 
Guys, I'm sorry. I've now seen a few photos of him and even when younger his eyes looked off.

How often do you see eyes that are always dilated in photos? His high school yearbook had dilated eyes, even.
 
I feel bad for the victims of this horrendous act! very sad that you can't even go to see a movie in peace. RIP.

Speaking of the media. I wonder why they reserve the term "terrorist" for middle eastern or muslim people only?

This maniac is definitely a terrorist and committed a terrorist act as many other domestic terror episodes, yet we never hear that term. Very interesting.

Does he have an agenda or is he just nuts?

Once I know that I will make my call on terrorist or not.
 
Guys, I'm sorry. I've now seen a few photos of him and even when younger his eyes looked off.

How often do you see eyes that are always dilated in photos? His high school yearbook had dilated eyes, even.

Today's courtroom photo had "runaway bride" eyes....
 
Does he have an agenda or is he just nuts?

Once I know that I will make my call on terrorist or not.

I've noticed that whenever it's one of our own good ol boys, the media sugar coats it into "madman", "crazy nut job", etc. to make it a little more palatable to the masses. Reserve the T word for the middle eastern people and Muslims.

That's done by design to keep the American people in a constant state of fear of the foreign boogieman! We need to wake up and start getting a handle on all of these domestic terrorist that are in our own backyard!

This SOB is a terrorist and should be treated just like Al Quida! Agenda? Yes, his agenda like those before him, was to get worldwide recognition and go into the history books by inflicting pain and death to innocent victims via terror tactics! He even went so far as to boobie trap his apartment in order to kill the police officers!

Let's stop the bs and start treating these "madmen" just like we treat the Arabs...and we can start by using the same terminology.
 
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I think the bigger question is going to be how our society is going to handle the mad amongst us. We certainly didn't have a pretty track record of handling mental defect in the past, but we have gone into Pontius Pilatus mode about the issue in modern times. That's gonna have to change or we have to accept the inherent cost of sitting next to the disconnected cannibal who does not live in the same layer of morality as you assume all your fellow Americans live in. It's just that simple.

My family has close friends with people who live and manage mental disease, but these are people who haven't tried to hurt others. But the mentally unfit who DO prey on the society at large is an ethical/moral question that we have to come to a consensus about.

This Country has some serious discussing to do when it comes to how to handle the "probative value" of keeping these sleeper cell mentally ill from meeting their Maker sooner. My contention is that as slippery slopeish as this may be, at some point the violent sociopathic amongst us outright cease to provide any social benefit and the preservation of life and safety of those who do provide value to society and do not seek to randomly eliminate their neighbor, do hold higher privilege. Yep, I said it. Our society is not of equals. It never has been.

And look, if the concept of execution is not acceptable to the majority, then sure I have no problem accounting, as a society, for the cost associated with marginalizing these individuals from the greater pool of society for the duration of a natural life cycle. Allowing them to continue to impart harm on the innocent for the sake of the preservation of a perception of civil liberty at large is not probative enough for me to consider it acceptable. All the gun talk and monday morning quarterbacking going on is immaterial. The issue at large has no bearing or hope of being corrected by a visceral tangential discussion on ownership of shiny powder bang bang thingys boys and some girls like to shoot at paper targets, critters and who daydream about saving the day one day with. This is a mental health issue at large, NOT a gun ownership issue, even when juxtaposed with the 100 round magazine bit, which I do admit as a neutral observer of the gun discussion I about fell outta my chair when I read.

I have no moral dilemma with marginalizing the criminally insane. And I do think as Americans we love sinning by omission and claiming no social responsibility. Virginia Tech, Columbine, the Gifford shooting, this one, all were surrounded by members of society who opted to look the other way. I know we are a Country of immigrant opportunists and free-range seeking nomads, but at some point we have to claim some responsibility for the ills of our collective apathy and self-interest. Otherwise we give credence to the idiots pushing forth the relative benefits of tribal societies, constructs that should have died off in the 10th century and only survives today due to natural resource monopolies (mere political lines that could again be re-drawn for them but I'll digress before this gets any more touchy).

Real tragedy. We live under the unintended consequences of our apathy though...
 
I think the bigger question is going to be how our society is going to handle the mad amongst us. We certainly didn't have a pretty track record of handling mental defect in the past, but we have gone into Pontius Pilatus mode about the issue in modern times. That's gonna have to change or we have to accept the inherent cost of sitting next to the disconnected cannibal who does not live in the same layer of morality as you assume all your fellow Americans live in. It's just that simple.

My family has close friends with people who live and manage mental disease, but these are people who haven't tried to hurt others. But the mentally unfit who DO prey on the society at large is an ethical/moral question that we have to come to a consensus about.

This Country has some serious discussing to do when it comes to how to handle the "probative value" of keeping these sleeper cell mentally ill from meeting their Maker sooner. My contention is that as slippery slopeish as this may be, at some point the violent sociopathic amongst us outright cease to provide any social benefit and the preservation of life and safety of those who do provide value to society and do not seek to randomly eliminate their neighbor, do hold higher privilege. Yep, I said it. Our society is not of equals. It never has been.

And look, if the concept of execution is not acceptable to the majority, then sure I have no problem accounting, as a society, for the cost associated with marginalizing these individuals from the greater pool of society for the duration of a natural life cycle. Allowing them to continue to impart harm on the innocent for the sake of the preservation of a perception of civil liberty at large is not probative enough for me to consider it acceptable. All the gun talk and monday morning quarterbacking going on is immaterial. The issue at large has no bearing or hope of being corrected by a visceral tangential discussion on ownership of shiny powder bang bang thingys boys and some girls like to shoot at paper targets, critters and who daydream about saving the day one day with. This is a mental health issue at large, NOT a gun ownership issue, even when juxtaposed with the 100 round magazine bit, which I do admit as a neutral observer of the gun discussion I about fell outta my chair when I read.

I have no moral dilemma with marginalizing the criminally insane. And I do think as Americans we love sinning by omission and claiming no social responsibility. Virginia Tech, Columbine, the Gifford shooting, this one, all were surrounded by members of society who opted to look the other way. I know we are a Country of immigrant opportunists and free-range seeking nomads, but at some point we have to claim some responsibility for the ills of our collective apathy and self-interest. Otherwise we give credence to the idiots pushing forth the relative benefits of tribal societies, constructs that should have died off in the 10th century and only survives today due to natural resource monopolies (mere political lines that could again be re-drawn for them but I'll digress before this gets any more touchy).

Real tragedy. We live under the unintended consequences of our apathy though...

The problem is, even if your theory or method is sound, that we as a society have not yet determined any way to conclusively, correctly, and repeatedly identify these sick individuals before they commit their heinous crimes. So how do you marginalize them to protect the innocent if you can't identify them?
 
I've noticed that whenever it's one of our own good ol boys, the media sugar coats it into "madman", "crazy nut job", etc. to make it a little more palatable to the masses. Reserve the T word for the middle eastern people and Muslims.

That's done by design to keep the American people in a constant state of fear of the foreign boogieman! We need to wake up and start getting a handle on all of these domestic terrorist that are in our own backyard!

This SOB is a terrorist and should be treated just like Al Quida! Agenda? Yes, his agenda like those before him, was to get worldwide recognition and go into the history books by inflicting pain and death to innocent victims via terror tactics! He even went so far as to boobie trap his apartment in order to kill the police officers!

Let's stop the bs and start treating these "madmen" just like we treat the Arabs...and we can start by using the same terminology.
If it makes you feel better...

Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper said on Sunday the Aurora shooter is a “terrorist.”

“I think the political will come, but at this point, you know, in a funny way this guy is a terrorist, right,” Hickenlooper said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “He wasn’t a terrorist in the sense of politics, but for whatever twisted reasons that we can barely even imagine, he wanted to create terror, he wanted to put fear in people’s lives.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2012/07/colo-gov-shooter-is-a-terrorist-129687.html
 
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