N. Korea GPS jamming hits S. Korea flights: Seoul

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"GPS (global positioning system) jamming signals are continuing this morning," Son Dong-Hwan, a transport ministry deputy director, told AFP.
As of 9:00 am (0000 GMT), a total of 319 aircraft had been affected since Saturday, he said. "But it poses no threat to navigational safety."
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Officials have said planes can instead use other navigation devices like the very-high-frequency omni-directional range (VOR) and inertial navigation systems.​

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Oh Boy............................

This is just gonna spread to other misfit countries..:yikes::hairraise::eek:
 
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One of the places I fly is In'cheon. If you've ever seen the approach plates in there or the arrivals, there are numerous warnings very close to the field advising of shoot-downs for straying. It's directly adjacent to the DMZ, and they're quite serious about it. A number of restricted areas and fire zones are set up around the city, and in fact all over near the DMZ.

It's not the kind of place one would want to miss a radio call and a vector. The results could be very unwanted.
 
Freakin' North Korea, man. It's like an annoying little red head step child. I realize this is an ignorant statement, and I do not actually condone doing this, but...

Would anybody really miss them? Really?
 
I'm sure the gubmint can find some way to make North Korea appear as a black hole to GPS.

Can they turn Selective Availability back on in a specific location?
 
HerrGruyere said:
Freakin' North Korea, man. It's like an annoying little red head step child. I realize this is an ignorant statement, and I do not actually condone doing this, but...

Would anybody really miss them? Really?
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The military complex in the USA is HUGE business... There are layers of administration, promotions, remote bases and over 100,000 thousand military employees stationed all around the world at half assed, disfunctional countries to justify their existance... No way is the Pentagon gonna trim the fat on their gravy train.:no::no::nonod::eek: IMHO...

Flame suit on...:idea::yesnod:
 
N801BH said:
The military complex in the USA is HUGE business... There are layers of administration, promotions, remote bases and over 100,000 thousand military employees stationed all around the world at half assed, disfunctional countries to justify their existance... No way is the Pentagon gonna trim the fat on their gravy train.:no::no::nonod::eek: IMHO...

Flame suit on...:idea::yesnod:
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Not a flame, but while the DoD is indeed big business, the DoD doesn't drive industry the way it used to.
 
N801BH said:
The military complex in the USA is HUGE business... There are layers of administration, promotions, remote bases and over 100,000 thousand military employees stationed all around the world at half assed, disfunctional countries to justify their existance... No way is the Pentagon gonna trim the fat on their gravy train.:no::no::nonod::eek: IMHO...

Flame suit on...:idea::yesnod:
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Ah, you're saying that they are keeping NK around just so they can justify the money they spend?

I like fighter jets and weapons and cool military technology. Keep it coming!
 
HerrGruyere said:
Ah, you're saying that they are keeping NK around just so they can justify the money they spend?

I like fighter jets and weapons and cool military technology. Keep it coming!
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Hmmm.. My guess is since your location is listed as " Bethesda, MD", you might have a paycheck coming from some form of the DoD.. :dunno::confused:..

Ps.. I ,too enjoy fighter jets and weapons and cool military technology... especially when they are bought to protect the USA and not some half assed country somewhere..:yesnod:
 
What the North Koreans are doing is nothing short of electronic war. I am amazed, but sadly not surprised, that some would turn this discussion into one about the supposed evils of our own government. I would suggest that the contention that the US enables the DPRK as a tool to enhance defense funding is simply paranoid lunacy. And I continue to wonder why those who spew hatred about our government continue to reside here. There are no walls keeping them from leaving. :dunno:
 
N801BH said:
Hmmm.. My guess is since your location is listed as " Bethesda, MD", you might have a paycheck coming from some form of the DoD.. :dunno::confused:..

Ps.. I ,too enjoy fighter jets and weapons and cool military technology... especially when they are bought to protect the USA and not some half assed country somewhere..:yesnod:
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Nah I'm not a government employee! Are you saying that we are protecting NK somehow? I think I'm missing your subtle message.

I also hope I'm not offending anybody on this forum. Totally not my intention. :(
 
Threefingeredjack said:
What the North Koreans are doing is nothing short of electronic war. I am amazed, but sadly not surprised, that some would turn this discussion into one about the supposed evils of our own government. I would suggest that the contention that the US enables the DPRK as a tool to enhance defense funding is simply paranoid lunacy. And I continue to wonder why those who spew hatred about our government continue to reside here. There are no walls keeping them from leaving. :dunno:
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Oh is that what that guy is talking about?

I swear I'm not this stupid all the time.
 
HerrGruyere said:
Nah I'm not a government employee! Are you saying that we are protecting NK somehow? I think I'm missing your subtle message.

I also hope I'm not offending anybody on this forum. Totally not my intention. :(
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I am absolutely not saying we are protecting NK... My point was we have had 70,000 + US soldiers in South Korea for over 50 years now.... The cost to the taxpayers is STAGGERING..... And what did that hundreds of billions of dollars buy us.:dunno::dunno::dunno:
 
DouglasBader said:
One of the places I fly is In'cheon. If you've ever seen the approach plates in there or the arrivals, there are numerous warnings very close to the field advising of shoot-downs for straying. It's directly adjacent to the DMZ, and they're quite serious about it. A number of restricted areas and fire zones are set up around the city, and in fact all over near the DMZ.

It's not the kind of place one would want to miss a radio call and a vector. The results could be very unwanted.
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It's a strange and hazardous place alright. I have no idea how Jr is doing mentally, but I imagine he's pretty f-ed up, how couldn't he be? If he would have held up everything would have changed the day his dad died, so I figure chances are slim.
 
N801BH said:
I am absolutely not saying we are protecting NK... My point was we have had 70,000 + US soldiers in South Korea for over 50 years now.... The cost to the taxpayers is STAGGERING..... And what did that hundreds of billions of dollars buy us.:dunno::dunno::dunno:
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A stable, prosperous and free South Korea? Air bases in the region? Limitation of China's power there? I dunno.
 
If I recall correctly, the war never officially ended between NK and SK and it was only a cease-fire doctrine that was signed. Or something like that.

Anybody?

Anyway, NK is so strange. I once watched a documentary on them where some journalists from Canada took a tour of NK. Really eerie place to live. Reminds me of 1984.
 
N801BH said:
And how is all that workin out for ya .:dunno:;)
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Ummm... just fine, I guess. The Koreans are fairly happy, we're doing OK. I was hoping a while back that Korea could possibly serve as a cautionary tale to make people think twice about getting mired in the whole Iraq thing, but apparently ignoring past experience is skill honed to a fine edge by politics.

I do think that, given the fact that Korea is no longer a dirt-poor third world country as they once were (and not all that long ago), we should be shifting more of the burden of their own defense to their own forces and their own budget.
 
N801BH said:
I am absolutely not saying we are protecting NK... My point was we have had 70,000 + US soldiers in South Korea for over 50 years now.... The cost to the taxpayers is STAGGERING..... And what did that hundreds of billions of dollars buy us.:dunno::dunno::dunno:
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I bought a Samsung monitor. :wink2:

Technically I believe there is still a war going on between North Korea and the United Nations, of which the US comprises the main part.
 
Based on media and my general knowledge of NK, it seems as they are purposefully trying to start a war.

What a bunch of weirdos.
 
DaleB said:
A stable, prosperous and free South Korea? Air bases in the region? Limitation of China's power there? I dunno.
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:confused::confused::confused: Please, let me know, in what way is China's power limited? They are the most powerful nation in the world. We can wreak equal terminal levels of havoc and they have the ability to endure more of it.

In exchange for our military commitment we got cheap cars and computers while Wall Street got the profit.
 
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Thank god we have Loran .
 
The thing about GPS jamming is that it can generally only be done where one has line-of-sight access to the areas to be jammed. And I don't see how it could be done stealthily.
 
Jim Logajan said:
The thing about GPS jamming is that it can generally only be done where one has line-of-sight access to the areas to be jammed. And I don't see how it could be done stealthily.
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A network of 3-4 truck mounted GPS jammers intermittently operating and moving around Westchester county, Long Island and New Jersey would throw a serious wrench into air-traffic along the east coast once NextGen is up and running. Total cost, $2mil + the jammers. Economic cost: priceless. This could go for days will small chances of getting caught.
 
N801BH said:
I am absolutely not saying we are protecting NK... My point was we have had 70,000 + US soldiers in South Korea for over 50 years now.... The cost to the taxpayers is STAGGERING..... And what did that hundreds of billions of dollars buy us.:dunno::dunno::dunno:
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A supply of cheap LG flatscreens and transistor radios.
 
weilke said:
A network of 3-4 truck mounted GPS jammers intermittently operating and moving around Westchester county, Long Island and New Jersey would throw a serious wrench into air-traffic along the east coast once NextGen is up and running. Total cost, $2mil + the jammers. Economic cost: priceless. This could go for days will small chances of getting caught.
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The jammers can easily go on a helium balloon at over 40,000 feet and never be located. The advantage of the balloon jammer is that it requires less power for aircraft jamming. Even if they shoot the balloon it would be very difficult to find who did it. Now imagine ten balloons and ATC relying on ADS-B for traffic surveillance. So much for NextGen.

José
 
DaleB said:
Ummm... just fine, I guess. The Koreans are fairly happy, we're doing OK. .
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Ha.... Ok huh..:dunno: We are 16 trillion dollars in debt and alot of that was from defending half assed, third world countries.... Thank god I don't have kids cause,,,,, the next generation is SCREWED...:yesnod::eek:..

And.... China has us just where they want us....:mad:
 
N801BH said:
Ha.... Ok huh..:dunno: We are 16 trillion dollars in debt and alot of that was from defending half assed, third world countries.... Thank god I don't have kids cause,,,,, the next generation is SCREWED...:yesnod::eek:..

And.... China has us just where they want us....:mad:
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Far too much of it's from providing for half-assed FIRST world people who don't see any point to working when they can make a perfectly good living absorbing tax dollars.

A significant portion of the rest is from very ill-advised decisions to start more wars than we could sustain, never mind whether we even had any business there in the first place. We weren't $16T in debt in 1950 when that whole thing started. The cost of maintaining a presence in the ROK (which is probably the only reason Korea and Japan have grown to where they are today, which is good for everyone) is a small fraction of what it's costing us to maintain two shooting wars in an area in which we couldn't chalk up a clear "W" if we spent a century there. Ask the Brits, the Russians and God only knows how many others about that.

Given the choice between pulling out of Korea and pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan... I'd say "all of the above" sounds good. Toss in Europe for good measure.
 
DaleB said:
Far too much of it's from providing for half-assed FIRST world people who don't see any point to working when they can make a perfectly good living absorbing tax dollars.

A significant portion of the rest is from very ill-advised decisions to start more wars than we could sustain, never mind whether we even had any business there in the first place. We weren't $16T in debt in 1950 when that whole thing started. The cost of maintaining a presence in the ROK (which is probably the only reason Korea and Japan have grown to where they are today, which is good for everyone) is a small fraction of what it's costing us to maintain two shooting wars in an area in which we couldn't chalk up a clear "W" if we spent a century there. Ask the Brits, the Russians and God only knows how many others about that.

Given the choice between pulling out of Korea and pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan... I'd say "all of the above" sounds good. Toss in Europe for good measure.
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I am in 100% total agreement with ya.......

There was a story on TV just this afternoon on the millions of "less fortunate" that get FREE cell phones and most have unlimited voice and data plans... And who is paying :dunno:... Us idiots who work , pay taxes and also pay the "universal service fee" on our telephone bills..:mad2::mad2::mad2:
 
DaleB said:
Given the choice between pulling out of Korea and pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan... I'd say "all of the above" sounds good. Toss in Europe for good measure.
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It's amazing Ron Paul has as little support as he does...

Back to the original subject, this is electronic warfare, and it is endangering the lives of many thousands of people, non-military people at that. The idea of an RF-seeking missle or two is right on the money.
 
Aeric said:
The idea of an RF-seeking missle or two is right on the money.
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Agreed...:yesnod::yesnod::yesnod:

I wonder whats taking our military so long to fire a few off.:dunno::dunno:.

After all... we have spent billions to have access to airbases close to North Korea. A couple of F-18's could be there in 10 minutes.:D
 
N801BH said:
Agreed...:yesnod::yesnod::yesnod:

I wonder whats taking our military so long to fire a few off.:dunno::dunno:.

After all... we have spent billions to have access to airbases close to North Korea. A couple of F-18's could be there in 10 minutes.:D
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The Wild Weasels of the 2010's :yesnod:
 
> jammers

Thankfully, they are using crude "jammers" ... and not the more sophisticated GPS
spoofing devices that the Iranians used to capture the RQ-170.

Imagine breaking out of a low overcast with the needles perfectly centered; only to
find that the runway in front of you is Pyongyang, not Seoul. Or worse; a cliff face,
or downtown Seoul.
 
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