N/A Online Backup Question

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I've changed Online Backup service. The initial backup has been cranking 24/7 since September 02(one exception having been a 7-hour power outage because of wind and rain storm in the northeast a few nights ago).

As of now, Backup Space Used = 88.8 GB (35.7% completed). My system has some 235+ GB(bulk of which comprises photo images of up to 25 MB each. Terribly slow, but the ISP(Fairpoint Communications) has told me that I have the fastest DSL speed "for your region." This area of the "region" is an island on which there is no cable, only DSL. Is Fairpoint(took over the landlines of Maine, NH, and Vermont) feeding me a line(no pun intended)?
Total files backed up thus far = 170,000+. And will the system resources being used during the lengthy backup have any bearing on other processes being slower than normal?

HR
 
Doesn't the backup client show the upload speed?

Also, there may be throttle settings built into the client that allow you to change the speed, priority, and so forth. Sometimes these are set quite low by default to help users avoid hitting bandwidth caps.

-Rich
 
I am subscribed to the Online Backup's "faster" mode; however, I'm told that their
upload speed is also limited to the speed of my ISP, and Fairpoint pretty much confirmed that information. So I sit and wait it out, and have done many defrags of very large factors.

HR
 
That sounds about right.....Your upload speed with DSL is probably 384kbps which should push the 235 GB of data in 1,426 hours or 59.5 days. Considering that you move 33% in 19 days you are on track.........
 
$100 or thereabouts will get you an external 1.5Tb HD and be done with the backup in less than a day.
 
$100 or thereabouts will get you an external 1.5Tb HD and be done with the backup in less than a day.

Plus have immediate availability -- downloading all that stuff in the case of a disaster also takes a lot of time (though not as long as uploading, assuming aDSL).

On the other hand, external drives can (and do) fail, be stolen, or be lost in a fire or a natural disaster.

So I do online backup, in addition to cloning my hard drive, and stashing some really important stuff in encrypted .7Z files on my Web servers. As a former computer tech, the one thing I never heard a client complain about was that they had too many backups.

More to the OP's point, some online backup companies will allow you to seed the backup by mailing the first backup to them on a hard drive. It wouldn't hurt to ask. Those that do usually mail you a drive with encryption software on it, and they decrypt it on the other end.

If you choose this route, also choose registered (not just certified) mail. With registered, every time the package changes hands, it's recorded. I know a jeweler who mails diamonds by registered mail.

Shameless plug and backlink: http://www.backupnut.com/

-Rich
 
Plus have immediate availability -- downloading all that stuff in the case of a disaster also takes a lot of time (though not as long as uploading, assuming aDSL).

What is the other post? 59 days to do an upload? That is TWO MONTHS If his computer crashes, assuming it's after the upload is complete next month, it'll take TWO MONTHS to recover the data from the backup company. Say, just about christmas at this time of year. A USB hard drive would have him back up and running in about 3 minutes and fully recovered by the end of the day.

On the other hand, external drives can (and do) fail, be stolen, or be lost in a fire or a natural disaster.

Fire, theft, asteroid impact, blah blah. Run two backups, store one at a friends house. Lock the other in a safe. Take a few hours once a month to do a monthly backup.

Then again, I'm completely computer stupid nowadays so what do I know...
 
Upload pipe is too slow, as others have mentioned.

Resources... If the machine has CPU to spare, it won't matter. If its constrained, it may have an effect.

The main slowdown you're going to see is Internet access. When the upload or download is crammed full, simply piling up a web page will be slower.
 
I've got an apple timecapsule, supplemented with an iosafe fireproof drive.

A backup is kind of pointless unless it's timely and easily accessible.
 
Upload pipe is too slow, as others have mentioned.

Resources... If the machine has CPU to spare, it won't matter. If its constrained, it may have an effect.

The main slowdown you're going to see is Internet access. When the upload or download is crammed full, simply piling up a web page will be slower.

Thanks for all answers; it's becomes a bit weirder on this front. I have a 500 GB external HD which for some reason, when I bought a new PC -- wonderfully faster -- about a year ago, the external unit didn't seem to be backing-up. Something about the software not being "found" in my system. ????? I never followed it through to success. Today I got a popup which indicated that, "Memeo is running in another"(something); "Sign in and" (do such and such). My pea-brain did (such and such) and suddenly the Western Digital external is cranking -- "383 GB FREE"- and in the right lower corner of my monitor is an indicator: [file name].[whatever extension] "sent to Jerry_Backup", almost faster than I can read the changing file names.

I guess I'll just have to wait-out the online backup which is now up to 92.4 GB with 150 GB Pending. Oh, the joys of living on a road-approachable, coastal island where cable service isn't available. Word is that ISP companies won't put in cable service unless 1000 customers are to be registered.
Georgetown? See photo from a parade float on 07-04-2007. Clarification: mostly a fishing community which is also a retirement community where the population increases hugely in the summer when families arrive at homes which have served generations of said families. But still, no cable!

HR
 

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3 copies, 2 different media, 1 offsite. Carbonite and a terabyte external hard drive and I'm good.
 
I've recently switched to CrashPlan...so far I've been happy with it.. However, I also have my PC in a RAID1 config and periodically backup to an external drives which I rotate off site
 
Thanks for all answers; it's becomes a bit weirder on this front. I have a 500 GB external HD which for some reason, when I bought a new PC -- wonderfully faster -- about a year ago, the external unit didn't seem to be backing-up. Something about the software not being "found" in my system. ????? I never followed it through to success. Today I got a popup which indicated that, "Memeo is running in another"(something); "Sign in and" (do such and such). My pea-brain did (such and such) and suddenly the Western Digital external is cranking -- "383 GB FREE"- and in the right lower corner of my monitor is an indicator: [file name].[whatever extension] "sent to Jerry_Backup", almost faster than I can read the changing file names.

I guess I'll just have to wait-out the online backup which is now up to 92.4 GB with 150 GB Pending. Oh, the joys of living on a road-approachable, coastal island where cable service isn't available. Word is that ISP companies won't put in cable service unless 1000 customers are to be registered.
Georgetown? See photo from a parade float on 07-04-2007. Clarification: mostly a fishing community which is also a retirement community where the population increases hugely in the summer when families arrive at homes which have served generations of said families. But still, no cable!

HR

If you ever had to recover everything from the online backup, it wouldn't take as long as the upload, for several reasons.

Firstly, you almost certainly have aDSL, which means your upload speed is slower than your download speed. (The "a" stands for "asymmetric.") The difference between the two varies by providers and plans, but usually your download speed will be three to four times your upload speed.

Secondly, most online backup clients prioritize uploads and downloads differently. The uploads have a lower priority because they try not to slow your other Internet use to a crawl, but the restores usually have a higher priority because they figure you'd like to get your stuff back some time this decade.

Thirdly, you could always take a trip to the home of a friend who has cable or fiber, and download the stuff there, perhaps in exchange for a pizza and a case of decent beer.

Again, my mantra is that you can never have too many backups. Don't think "either-or."

As an aside, you may want to check out a program called Casper. It's one of the better cloning tools I've come across, not the least reason being that it can do automated differential clones. The clone it creates is bootable, so you can swap it into the computer and boot up.

I never considered Casper a backup solution, per se. I considered it part of a comprehensive backup plan, in which Casper's primary role was to reduce downtime in the case of a hard drive failure. It's saved many a hindquarters in my experience, including my own a couple of times.

The advantage of cloning over imaging is, again, that the clone is bootable, whereas an image needs to be extracted onto the system drive. You just swap the clone in and hit the power button, and the machine starts up in the state it was in when the clone was last refreshed. This saves quite a bit of downtime with a large drive.

The disadvantages are that a clone is more susceptible to malware infection than an archive image is as long as the drive is online; and that with a clone, there's no incrementality, and therefore no way to step backwards once the clone is made. So if there's a problem on the system drive (malware, etc.) when it's cloned, the clone will also have the same problem.

-Rich
 
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