1. My taxi clearance was "Runway 31, taxi via Juliet Zulu, clear for a 180 in the runup." To me, that was a clearance all the way to the runway hold short line, not just a clearance to the runup area.
I have never had to get a clearance from a controller to leave the run-up area... I didn't know that was even a thing until now!!
The only time I have had to get a clearance to go from the run-up block to the runway, the ground controller specifically stated "Taxi to Runway 32 run-up block via xxxx". We were NOT cleared to taxi to the runway like you were...
Some other local examples are KSQL (30, terminal side), KFAT (all three run ups, terminal side), and KMRY (28L).
1.
KSQL - Is the run-up area inside the double dashed lines? Why would you need a clearance to taxi from there back onto the taxiway to the runway?
2.
KFAT - Starting with the run-up area furthest west (runway 11R), I see the "
enhanced centerline" , then there is a
double dashed yellow line indicating the edge of the taxiway, and then there is a
Black and Yellow dashed line across the block (I could not find this marking in the AIM).
1. What area do you use for the run-up? The area west of the black and yellow dashed line or the area between the black and yellow line and the edge of the taxiway?
2. Why would they extend the black and yellow dashed line beyond the runway hold short line?
3. If you are
between the taxiway edge markings and black and yellow dashed line and did your run up there, would you have to ask ground for clearance to the hold short line? How about west of the black and yellow dashed line? And why?
4. If its not busy, what's wrong with doing the run-up holding short of the runway on the taxiway? Run-Ups don't take THAT long...
3.
KMRY - The image I see on google is a double dashed yellow line marking the edge of the taxiway, and then a single yellow dashed line. Looks very similar to FAT. Same questions as above
1. Is the run-up between the double dashed and single dashed line, or south of the single dashed line?
2. If you are south of the double yellow, but north of the single yellow dash line, do you still need to get a clearance?
3. Non-movement is defined in AIM 2-3-18 as a single dashed yellow and single solid yellow line 6 inches apart. I don't see that at MYR or FAT
This is the default. Configurations like KSAC (20) where you can pull up to the hold short line while still in the run up area, are the exceptions.
Seems like every towered airport I've been to, you can pull up to the hold short line while still in the run up area. Maybe it's not so common on the west coast?
KPAO pavement markings include a dashed line ALL the way around the run up area. That means you need clearance to leave it in any direction. KSQL isn't so obvious, but if you blow by the run up, you'll just get told you screwed up, not a PD.
1. From what I see, PAO has a single dashed line only on the south part of the run-up. The north part has a single dash and single solid yellow line indicating the boundary between a non-movement area and the taxiway. This I can understand needing a clearance but ONLY because of the solid line. I didn't see that on the google map imagery of FAT, SQL, or MRY.
2. If you taxi past the run-up you'll get told you screwed up? What if you don't need a run-up or you want to do it holding short of the runway? (say it's not busy..)
Not trying to be critical, I am trying to learn like others. I don't see many of those markings at the towered fields I fly to on the east coast.
