More Change at FAA medical

UTLonghorn_1979 said:
Great game! Ohio definitely wanted it more and deserved it. Good luck vs. ND!

Bucket list to make it up for a game at the Shoe as well as, dare I say, the Big House!
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I’d definitely like to make games in several other stadiums, but not the big **** house, or Penn state. Fans at those stadiums are pure evil! I remember in 75 getting pelted after the game with oranges up there, as it was the first time Big 10 runner up was going to the Orange Bowl. BTW- OSU went to the Rose Bowl and ttun went to the Orange. :lol:
 
Anthem said:
Tools said:
Better question… why do we ask NON PILOTS, who are NON PRACTICING doctors, to make a fitness to fly determination at all? Especially when their hands are tied by dark age aeromedical mythology.

Why don’t we ask a CURRENT PRACTICING doctor to determine medical normalcy, and a flight instructor or examiner determine if they can fly?

Leave the administrating to the AMEs.
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Because - even previous doctors have said - they don’t handle any of the aviation related complications with said medical conditions. They sign off on general ability to function in society. Not at flying, scuba or whatever other activities.
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I believe @Tools meant for *AMEs* to determine fitness to fly, not just random MDs. And that's a pretty dang good question...
Anthem said:
I think that everyone who is stuck in some limbo always points out - but there could be drunks/drug/mental health etc etc who aren’t caught that have a medical. And it’s like - oh so not fair. The faa’s goal is to be a front line block and then gradually work on weeding out the rest. There is no justification for the others to be there and complaining about it to justify a position is just that - immature complaining.

You have a legit gripe about timeline and responses. As for your continued barking up that there could be people who are holding medical because they lied, or subsequently got whatever condition that the FAA doesn’t know about - nah. That’s something that needs to be fixed as well. But you aren’t arguing for that to be fixed (which by extension means prosecuted fully as well) - but merely to try and strengthen your case that there are already problematic people in there and therefore you should also be allowed to go in because others have fraudulently passed.
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Thing is, wouldn't the FAA be able to do a better job catching the liars if they weren't so busy figuring out whether Fred in Dayton submitted the WENUS report from his osteochiropathologist about his turboencabulitis?

I do like the idea of an auto-approval after a certain reasonable length of time, maybe 90 days at most, preferably 30. It would force the FAA to prioritize the stuff that really matters.

I'm just glad I am not (yet) subject to any of this, but as I age I'm taking more of an interest.
 
bbchien said:
And it’s not liberalizing in the least:

FAA announced at a grand rounds that eff. 1 Jan, if not everything that the FAA needs to approve the airman is present, they will issue a denial early. No more “please within 60 days send……”. It will be followed with a “for further consideration” letter. This locks the airman’s file for any issuance in the field.

Also after Jan 1, the color dots, & the farnsworth lantern will be gone. Vision screening for new applicants or upgrade applicants will be via a subscription internet service and the only thing we can issue after a fail is 3rd Class not valid for IFR or flight at night”. AMEs will have to pay for these subscriptions and so…the cost of a medical goes up….

This will be published in the AME Guide, at the very end of Dec.

And so it goes…..

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@bbchien Hey Dr. Chien! I have been on Toprol XL for years for PVCs. Currently have a 1st class medical with a color vision LOE. I understand that I am exempt from having to take the new color vision tests. I saw the FAA put “blood pressure medications” as on of the reasons to possibly retest on the new software. Will Metoporol be one of those medications requiring annual testing?

Thanks!
 
Without calling every AME within a 100-mile radius, is there an easier way to find out who has the test & who does not?
Edit: The new subscription-based iPad color vision test.
 
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Kiddo's Driver said:
The new subscription-based iPad color vision test.
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Not sure why you are checking or need to check. Every one of the AMEs have it because it’s a required test for medical as long as it’s for a new class or a change in class. So every one of them has it - they aren’t allowed to use the older tests.
 
Anthem said:
Which test ? Vision test ? Every one of them has it.
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Anthem said:
Not sure why you are checking or need to check. Every one of the AMEs have it because it’s a required test for medical as long as it’s for a new class or a change in class. So every one of them has it - they aren’t allowed to use the older tests.
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Lol, my son has checked several, and they DON'T have it. They are telling him to go to an ophthalmologist to have the test done & bring the results back.
 
Flyguy737 said:
@bbchien Hey Dr. Chien! I have been on Toprol XL for years for PVCs. Currently have a 1st class medical with a color vision LOE. I understand that I am exempt from having to take the new color vision tests. I saw the FAA put “blood pressure medications” as on of the reasons to possibly retest on the new software. Will Metoporol be one of those medications requiring annual testing?

Thanks!
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Nope. :)
 
bbchien said:
or for third class airmen who want a first class or second class!
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Are we sure about this? The website seems to imply ANY FAA medical with a successful color pass would mean never do a color test again. So it would seem that 3rd class medical with no restrictions would mean you'd never have to do the color test if you were going for a first class medical.
 
Andy S said:
Are we sure about this? The website seems to imply ANY FAA medical with a successful color pass would mean never do a color test again. So it would seem that 3rd class medical with no restrictions would mean you'd never have to do the color test if you were going for a first class medical.
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This was clarified. You only need to repeat the color test on upgrading if you held the SODA/WAIVER for the OCVT (light gun test).
 
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No. An upgrade means a New Test, if you have never qualified at the higher level, in the old color dot book system..
If you had a waiver at the second class level (or First) you do also not need a test.
 
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bbchien said:
No. An upgrade means a New Test, if you have never qualified at the higher level, in the old color dot book system..
If you had a waiver at the second class level (or First) you do also not need a test.
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Dr. Chien,

The way I read the new requirements, if you have passed an old color test you are good for all classes.

From: https://www.faa.gov/ame_guide/app_process/exam_tech/item52/amd

A. For a Returning Pilot Who Historically Passed Any Previously FAA-Approved Color Vision Test: ​

  • For all classes: Computer-based color vison screening test is NOT required.
  • Mark Item 52. “PASS”
  • AME should ISSUE (if otherwise qualified).
What am I missing?

Another question. Any update on the March 1st medical denial change? https://www.ifr-magazine.com/briefing/briefing-february-2025/

Thank you
 
I agree that's what the webpage sez!

added late: just revieved my notes from Deputy Nat'l FAS- the webpage is correct. Its' only the 3rd class LOE, upgrading that have to take the Waggoner.
 
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bbchien said:
I agree that's what the webpage sez!

added late: just revieved my notes from Deputy Nat'l FAS- the webpage is correct. Its' only the 3rd class LOE, upgrading that have to take the Waggoner.
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An ok just wanted to make sure as I was reading it like that also. I had heard prior that wasn’t going to be the case.
 
ateamer said:
Keep in mind that DOGE - if it actually comes into existence- will only be an advisory board. It will only make recommendations, without the authority for compel compliance. Many government functions and departments are set by statute.
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it appears to have come to existence…
 
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