May have fibbed on last medical....

Deltakilo99 said:
Hi Dana, thanks for that fast reply. It seems that the basicMed questionnaire also asks those at "any time in your life" questions, leaving me thinking that I would be up against the same hurdles. Am I wrong about this?

Thanks again!
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The only way to jump those hurdles is to get in front of them.
 
@Deltakilo99 -- This is definitely a Senior AME sort of question.

Many of us here are somewhat knowledgeable in the "common cases" and can provide anecdotal information and some measure of "go team go" support.

But for the really thorny situations such as the one you present, it's best to wait for either Dr. Bruce Chien or Dr. Lou Fowler to comment.

So, let's page Doctor's Lou and Bruce on the white courtesy phone for their input. @lbfjrmd @bbchien


PS... Welcome to PoA!!
 
The head-on, no bullsh*t way to get your questions answered is to contact Dr Bruce Chien, who frequents this board and he may answer here. However I would advise taking this offline and to contact Dr. Chien - a Senior AME and specialist in difficult medical certifications - directly on his webpage: www.aeromedicaldoc.com Just like your initial post sounds, Dr. Bruce (as many of us here call him) is also a no bullshi*t guy. Be brutally honest with him. If there is a path forward for you, he knows it.

There is also a second Senior AME here, Dr. Lou Fowler. I do not mean anything negative at all about Dr. Lou. Dr. Lou wasn’t on this Board years ago when Dr. Bruce helped me, and I recommend him from first hand experience.

Good Luck, and Best Wishes!

-Skip
 
Dr. Bruce will not "turn you in"! That's what I mean you have to be scrupulously honest with him. Look at it this way - either you want to fly or you don't. If there is any possible way to do that in accordance with the regs, Dr. Bruce knows it. Man up and level with him. I cannot discount the possibility that he says that there is no way for you. I do hope that is not the case but you can't know until you find out!

Or not.

But it sounds to me as a layperson, you are certifiable (in a good sense! ;)) but the only way to do that is to level with him.

-Skip
 
Deltakilo99 said:
Hi Dana, thanks for that fast reply. It seems that the basicMed questionnaire also asks those at "any time in your life" questions, leaving me thinking that I would be up against the same hurdles. Am I wrong about this?

Thanks again!
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Yes, you're still obligated to answer the questions truthfully, but BasicMed cuts the FAA bureaucracy out of the loop. That's a big advantage, because the bureaucracy tends to go overboard on expecting expen$ive tests, specialist consultations, etc., including making you wait forever-and-a-day to get an answer. With BasicMed, the examining physician is entitled to use his or her own judgment in deciding whether your alcohol and any medical issues have been appropriately dealt with. Also, the fact that you fudged on a previous application does not enter into it, because there's no question on the form that asks, "Have you ever fudged on an FAA form?"
 
I’m just curious why this is just a Dr Bruce issue. It seems it’s also an aviation attorney issue. Making a false statement on a medical application is one problem. The actual medical condition which occurred is the other one.


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Hhhmmm.... a pickle I’d say.

Lying on a federal form is a serious offense with stiff potential penalties. I think I’d go BasicMed, which is between you and your MD. Then wait out the 4 years that it is good for, and then go for a Class 3 if desired.
 
Rcmutz said:
Hhhmmm.... a pickle I’d say.

Lying on a federal form is a serious offense with stiff potential penalties. I think I’d go BasicMed, which is between you and your MD. Then wait out the 4 years that it is good for, and then go for a Class 3 if desired.
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How does waiting 4 years change his situation?
 
Because no one knows about the misdeed except the OP, and after three years he can firmly answer the question as a no based upon what he has told us. Ends up between himself, God, and his own conscious.
 
you do not have to explain the 1st ommission, nor will there be penalties. admit on next application. expect a full HIMS evaluation. Most are successful.
 
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Rcmutz said:
Because no one knows about the misdeed except the OP, and after three years he can firmly answer the question as a no based upon what he has told us. Ends up between himself, God, and his own conscious.
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I don’t see a time limit on hospital admissions.

I’m not saying it’s a big deal, just not seeing why waiting makes any difference.
 
BasicMed forever. The only reason to get a Class III is flying out of the country (yeah, yeah.....6000# blah, blah).

Or do the HIM$ thing and be grounded for months while you go through it.
 
Maybe I'm missing something important here, but the Med question is about 'a history of alcohol dependence or abuse'. Sounds like a one time bender, not a 'history of abuse'.
 
He was admitted to the hospital for "alcohol abuse". You have to report hospital visits.
 
Deltakilo99 said:
Wow, thanks Palmpilot, I didn't know all that. Basicmed may be a good option, as I have no aspirations to exceed any of it's weight/speed/pax limits. Thanks again.
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To add to what Palmpilot said, since there's no reporting to the FAA with basic med, there's no consequence for "failing" like there is with going in to an AME and being denied a medical.
 
The special issuance for alcohol abuse (not for dependency) is two years of negative urines, random, in FAA qualified fashion and can be done privately. They call you pee. At the need of two years you have satisfied 67.307.

I would counsel to find a HIMS AME and start a program so that you can be issued when you currently expire. Also so that the FAA officer is more concerned with "how am I going to issue this guy, who is not a danger"
 
JCranford said:
Maybe I'm missing something important here, but the Med question is about 'a history of alcohol dependence or abuse'. Sounds like a one time bender, not a 'history of abuse'.
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Medical definitions of words don't always line up with commonplace, common sense definition of words. In medical lingo, "history of" means did it ever happen, even if only once on an isolated occasion. Also, equally frustrating, is that "acute" doesn't mean severe, it means sudden, or of abrupt onset. "Acute Anxiety" doesn't mean that you're so distraught you can't function, it means that you feel upset, even mildly, suddenly without warning. Unfortunately, a "one time bender" IS a "history of abuse."
 
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