Matt Lauer Busted

Matthew said:
Another claim I read was that his actions were seen as discriminatory. "You go to dinner with a male colleague, and probably talk business, but not a female colleague?" I can see eyebrows being raised if it was a "working dinner" and he was shutting out women, but I didn't get the impression that was the case. He is trying to avoid any hint of impropriety, but to do that you have to accept that men and women are not the same and that seems to not sit well with some people.
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That's the spin.
 
PaulS said:
So you are saying an EMT doing his job with a female heart attack victim is the same as Matt whipping out his Schwartz in front of a shocked female co-worker or giving a female lower level co-worker a dildo with explicit instructions on how he would like to use it on her?
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I can't find it now, but I read an article recently that said women die disproportionately from heart attacks because men are afraid to perform CPR on them. The reasons cited were that they were afraid of hurting the woman and that they were wary of putting their hands on a woman's chest.
 
Sadly this **** happens all the time. Different story (sort of reversed), but my mom worked for a medical company and had this women manager (in her 30s) who was absolutely insane. Micro manager to the max. She was having an affair with the VP of the company and basically used it as leverage to get her power. It was a really sad state of affairs (pun intended). She left the company quickly. There are a lot of very sick people in this world with little to no morals.
 
JOhnH said:
I can't find it now, but I read an article recently that said women die disproportionately from heart attacks because men are afraid to perform CPR on them. The reasons cited were that they were afraid of hurting the woman and that they were wary of putting their hands on a woman's chest.
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it was posted above.
 
JOhnH said:
I can't find it now, but I read an article recently that said women die disproportionately from heart attacks because men are afraid to perform CPR on them. The reasons cited were that they were afraid of hurting the woman and that they were wary of putting their hands on a woman's chest.
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That's true, but the study applied to bystanders who happened to be trained in CPR, not to professional responders. Professionals have no such hesitancy. If they did when they started, they were over it by the end of their first weeks.

There are some differences in how professionals handle men and women, however. I think they come out most frequently in cases of mentally ill, drunk, or otherwise combative patients. Male responders tend to be a bit hesitant to use physical force to restrain female patients, even if they undoubtedly need to be restrained, and especially if there are no female responders present. The presence of a female responder seems to mitigate that hesitancy, presumably because she could attest to the contact being proper and limited to that which was necessary.

Rich
 
paflyer said:
Earlier in the year the MSLeftM had a lot of fun about the fact that VP Pence wouldn't be alone with a female other than his wife. The hypocrites were claiming that he "couldn't control his Neanderthal right wing impulses" instead of the obvious desire to avoid being in a position where he may be falsely accused.
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I won't let my teenage daughter have her female friends over to the house unless my wife is also home. Once my daughter was at a function and asked me to pick up her friend and bring her to the function. The friend's parents were unavailable to transport the girl. Nope and nope. Gotta protect yourself.

There was a woman near here who was falsely accused of sexual assault. She lost her job, child, home, and so much more. She was eventually acquitted and is now a lawyer who fights for the wrongly accused.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/ge...t-accused-child-molestation/story?id=10610046
https://www.amazon.com/Accused-Fight-Justice-Strength-Forgive/dp/1941631738
https://tonyacraft.com/

This stuff is for real, folks.
 
Yup. Walked in WalMart and had to pee, so as I was finishing up a small boy walked in himself by , and I immediately walked out. Unfortunately, you're guilty til proven innocent nowadays.
 
Bill Jennings said:
I won't let my teenage daughter have her female friends over to the house unless my wife is also home. Once my daughter was at a function and asked me to pick up her friend and bring her to the function. The friend's parents were unavailable to transport the girl. Nope and nope. Gotta protect yourself.

There was a woman near here who was falsely accused of sexual assault. She lost her job, child, home, and so much more. She was eventually acquitted and is now a lawyer who fights for the wrongly accused.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/ge...t-accused-child-molestation/story?id=10610046
https://www.amazon.com/Accused-Fight-Justice-Strength-Forgive/dp/1941631738
https://tonyacraft.com/

This stuff is for real, folks.
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This. I used to babysit from the age of 12 all through my teens. The parents would return home and the father would always drive me home while mom stayed there. He would have been remiss if he hadn't seen me safely home. Never once was there a hint of impropriety from any of those fathers. And never would I dream of lying to hurt someone. But there are people who do, and it's become such a public witch hunt now, very sad that a good man has to fear driving the babysitter home.
 
Rushie said:
The parents would return home and the father would always drive me home while mom stayed there.
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Oh hell no! Back in the babysitter days, we loaded up the child in her car seat and we all three drove the babysitter home, no matter how late it was. Sorry, but that's the world we live in now. Modern Family, not Leave it to Beaver.
 
Bill Jennings said:
Oh hell no! Back in the babysitter days, we loaded up the child in her car seat and we all three drove the babysitter home, no matter how late it was. Sorry, but that's the world we live in now. Modern Family, not Leave it to Beaver.
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No way I'd wake a sleeping baby to put her in the car seat to drive a babysitter home. These days I think I'd drive the girl and let dad stay home. Do I need to worry about the girl accusing me? Oh good grief let's just give up going out and getting sitters at all. If I cannot trust a sitter not to accuse me of molesting her how can I trust her to care for my children?

But you're right, as a man these days I think you are more a potential target and the problem might be the girl's parents pushing her to make a false accusation.

Just limit babysitting to grandma and be done with it. No wait grandma is old fashioned and not compliant with the latest overly protective child safety protocols. Grandma fails to deploy disposable antiseptic wipes at every turn. Grandma has an outlet missing a cover. Grandma didn't know you cannot keep a baby's jacket on in the car seat. Grandma didn't know that nowadays colds are contagious until the very last bit of dried up snot is gone.

Pretty soon we are all going to just sit paralyzed in our homes unable to move a muscle for fear of lawsuits and public shaming for how bad we all are.
 
True story,, 1979 era I was Line Chief for VAQ 129, all division chiefs were summoned to the skipper's office. There we were ordered to never counsel a female in private. We were to always have a female officer present when counseling any female.
So just know, the Navy has been taking steps to prevent their chiefs from being accused for a long time now.
 
Tom-D said:
True story,, 1979 era I was Line Chief for VAQ 129, all division chiefs were summoned to the skipper's office. There we were ordered to never counsel a female in private. We were to always have a female officer present when counseling any female.
So just know, the Navy has been taking steps to prevent their chiefs from being accused for a long time now.
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Yup same in the USAF.
 
mscard88 said:
Uh, you said beaver @Bill Jennings.

Reported. :D
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Worse than that, I'm posting a PICTURE of one! :p

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Rushie said:
No way I'd wake a sleeping baby to put her in the car seat to drive a babysitter home. These days I think I'd drive the girl and let dad stay home. Do I need to worry about the girl accusing me? Oh good grief let's just give up going out and getting sitters at all. If I cannot trust a sitter not to accuse me of molesting her how can I trust her to care for my children?

But you're right, as a man these days I think you are more a potential target and the problem might be the girl's parents pushing her to make a false accusation.

Just limit babysitting to grandma and be done with it. No wait grandma is old fashioned and not compliant with the latest overly protective child safety protocols. Grandma fails to deploy disposable antiseptic wipes at every turn. Grandma has an outlet missing a cover. Grandma didn't know you cannot keep a baby's jacket on in the car seat. Grandma didn't know that nowadays colds are contagious until the very last bit of dried up snot is gone.

Pretty soon we are all going to just sit paralyzed in our homes unable to move a muscle for fear of lawsuits and public shaming for how bad we all are.
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Loser pays would help.

Rich
 
First, I'm not so paranoid about being alone with a girl or with my daughter with her friends.

As for the celebrities and the inappropriate behavior, my opinion isn't a popular one. First, I'm glad a lot of this is coming to a halt. There was an interview with Rita Hayworth published in a Hollywood tabloid in 1965 where she said she was tired of rebuffing the demands of studio executives since she was a married mother, and that's why she was leaving the industry. The casting couch has been known about since the movie industry began, so I find it absurd that people are acting shocked that they're just now hearing about it. Please.

As for the women who accepted hundreds of thousands in settlements in exchange for their silence - and are now shouting "ME TOO!" in front of every camera they can find - they should have to forfeit the $ they took. Give it to a fund to put a stop to sexual harassment, but they shouldn't be allowed to keep it. They put every actress who came behind them at risk by taking money for their silence so in my opinion they're partly responsible. It's no different than if a celebrity had a history of beating people with lead pipes, he beat me with a lead pipe and I accepted $100K in exchange for my silence - I'd be partly responsible for every person who was beaten by him afterward.

And what's up with all the actresses going to Weinstein's hotel room for meetings? And he answers the door in a robe and they still go in? It's just hard for me to have too much sympathy for them after that. I've always thought Ashley Judd was kind of flakey, but when I'd read that she'd stood up to him and always had it makes me proud of her.

I'm glad all these guys are being rooted out. It's behavior that never should have been tolerated. Especially with so many of the actors now opening up about their abuse when they were younger. There's just no room for behavior like this in any industry. We used to have quite a bit of fun here at work, some of it adult-oriented. Two of my best friends here are women who will make sex-related joking comments occasionally. Ex. We were leaving the cafeteria the other day when Nancy was waiting in the hall for us. I walked up and saw where a liquid had splashed on the wall, at head-height. I didn't say anything, but just chuckled while looking at it. Nancy looked over, laughed. Then Belinda walked up, saw us laughing, saw the splash, and chuckled too. Nothing was said, but we were all thinking the same thing. Stuff like that.

And then you have Shannon. We were talking about Matt Lauer yesterday morning and I said "from now on, we're all on our best behavior." Shannon's a few years younger than the rest of us and very, very outgoing. And not shy. So I said that and she immediately grabbed my hand and touched her boob with it. "That's enough of that, buddy!"

I believe in a zero-tolerance policy for sexual harassment, but I admit to liking working in a fun work environment where not everything has to be so literal. But you can't eat your cake and have it too. (yes, that's a Manhunt reference)
 
Gerhardt said:
...As for the women who accepted hundreds of thousands in settlements in exchange for their silence - and are now shouting "ME TOO!" in front of every camera they can find...
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Which ones did that?
 
cowman said:
This is what blows me away about this. Maybe it's because I'm a guy, maybe it's because my midwestern middle class naivety can't quite deal with it but I just always assumed if a guy did this he'd be sunk. Punched/slapped, likely fired, and publicly embarrassed. Especially if the target was a famous and beloved personality. In all my years I've never seen a guy try this stuff and not get knocked back hard... and yet... we're seeing all these reports and many with evidence.

I'm truly in shock that so many are able to get away with it for so long.
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I had a lot of female friends growing up, and ended up privy to some details on harassment that they got. What I learned from it is that effectively 100% of women (or damn near it) have been harassed, groped, some sort of highly inappropriate behavior at some point in their lives, and especially careers. Most of the time, it goes unreported, all the way up to some fairly horrific rape events, I seem to recall hearing a number around 78% of events go unreported, which I would believe. I would always encourage them to report what happened, but they never did. To many teenage girls the idea of getting put on the stand and required to give some very graphical descriptions of acts that occurred is beyond terrifying. Many people aren't comfortable even talking about their own body parts or sex in general. Then many female adults have fears of losing their jobs if they make a report. Would it be illegal to fire them for that? Of course. Doesn't change the fact that it could/would happen and potentially make it harder to get hired elsewhere. What should be and what are are often two different things.

It's good to see these reports coming out (albeit too late) and I hope that this represents a positive change in society. That said, good people shouldn't be afraid of illegitimate reports being made, and that does occur.
 
My wife went thru X-Ray school for two years. One radiologist hit on every one of those girls and got away with it. The radiologists traveled to smaller communities occasionally and always took a student with them. Wife said this one stopped at a Bed n Breakfast place for lunch, and she said she could barely eat as she knew he'd try something later. He did, she rebuffed him, and he never bothered her again except to ride her ass and harass her. Ugly SOB too!
 
NFL careers are drastically short, something like 3 years, so it's been many generations now that women reporters have been inside locker rooms. I know there was a lot of tension at first, I don't know how common harassment is now. There's always the story of Mark Gastineau from the NY Jets who liked to parade around naked. He walked in front on one female reporter and asked her, "What do you think of THIS?" She said, "It looks like a penis, only smaller." He left her alone after that.
 
Palmpilot said:
Which ones did that?
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From what I've read there are several dozen who took payments in the hundred's of thousands.

But here's an excerpt from a New Yorker article. This woman is claiming to be an innocent victim who just didn't understand what the million dollar check was for. She took $1M in exchange for being quiet, and now two years later no longer feels like she doesn't have to abide by the settlement...and still keep the $1M. How is this possible?
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On April 20, 2015, the Filipina-Italian model Ambra Battilana Gutierrez sat in an office in midtown Manhattan with an eighteen-page legal agreement in front of her. She had been advised by her attorney that signing the agreement was the best thing for her and her family. In exchange for a million-dollar payment from Harvey Weinstein, Gutierrez would agree never to talk publicly about an incident during which Weinstein groped her breasts and tried to stick his hand up her skirt.

“I didn’t even understand almost what I was doing with all those papers,” she told me, in her first interview discussing her settlement.
 
Matthew said:
NFL careers are drastically short, something like 3 years, so it's been many generations now that women reporters have been inside locker rooms. I know there was a lot of tension at first, I don't know how common harassment is now. There's always the story of Mark Gastineau from the NY Jets who liked to parade around naked. He walked in front on one female reporter and asked her, "What do you think of THIS?" She said, "It looks like a penis, only smaller." He left her alone after that.
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Women shouldn't be in mens locker rooms. And men shouldn't be in women's locker rooms. The courts got that one wrong.
 
Gerhardt said:
Women shouldn't be in mens locker rooms. And men shouldn't be in women's locker rooms. The courts got that one wrong.
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How does that relate or apply to what I wrote? These girls were fresh out of HS and this particular Dr was taking advantage of the ones he could.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
I had a lot of female friends growing up, and ended up privy to some details on harassment that they got. What I learned from it is that effectively 100% of women (or damn near it) have been harassed, groped, some sort of highly inappropriate behavior at some point in their lives, and especially careers. Most of the time, it goes unreported, all the way up to some fairly horrific rape events, I seem to recall hearing a number around 78% of events go unreported, which I would believe. I would always encourage them to report what happened, but they never did. To many teenage girls the idea of getting put on the stand and required to give some very graphical descriptions of acts that occurred is beyond terrifying. Many people aren't comfortable even talking about their own body parts or sex in general. Then many female adults have fears of losing their jobs if they make a report. Would it be illegal to fire them for that? Of course. Doesn't change the fact that it could/would happen and potentially make it harder to get hired elsewhere. What should be and what are are often two different things.

It's good to see these reports coming out (albeit too late) and I hope that this represents a positive change in society. That said, good people shouldn't be afraid of illegitimate reports being made, and that does occur.
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I think you are right, probably 100% of women and I believe also a huge proportion of men have been harassed, groped or otherwise the recipient of uninvited sexually related attention. I think that makes it pretty much a natural, normal primate phenomenon.

That being said, that doesn't make forcible sexual contact okay. If it's natural and normal for a man to try, it's equally natural and normal for a woman to do whatever is necessary to refuse the advance. Sometimes a chilly verbal rebuff is all it takes. Sometimes a slap across the face and in the most extreme cases you stop a rapist with a gun, or discourage the attempt at all by projecting the fact that you are not a victim.

There is a big difference between the normal game and real sexual misconduct. There are times the line is very clear (prepubescent children, attack by a stranger in an ally for two examples). But we are mostly talking about cases where the line is not clear and the bar seems to be moving more and more toward milder and even non physical behavior and relabeling what is actually garden variety human biology as misconduct. It is politically correct these days to never allocate a bit of blame to the woman no matter how scantily she dresses or how enticingly she behaves or how far into the game she voluntarily goes before changing her mind, she is always 100% the helpless victim and I think this is unfair to men.

And it's perplexing the way society today insists women are so powerful, equal to and better than men, so good we can handle combat just like the men, but at the same time we are apparently so weak we're incapable of fending off sexual come ons without suffering psychological damage. Nuts.
 
Matthew said:
NFL careers are drastically short, something like 3 years, so it's been many generations now that women reporters have been inside locker rooms. I know there was a lot of tension at first, I don't know how common harassment is now. There's always the story of Mark Gastineau from the NY Jets who liked to parade around naked. He walked in front on one female reporter and asked her, "What do you think of THIS?" She said, "It looks like a penis, only smaller." He left her alone after that.
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Love it! Now that's what I'm talking about. I wager that's not the sort of woman to go whining to her lawyer.
 
Rushie said:
It is politically correct these days to never allocate a bit of blame to the woman no matter how scantily she dresses or how enticingly she behaves or how far into the game she voluntarily goes before changing her mind, she is always 100% the helpless victim and I think this is unfair to men.
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Perhaps, but then that is as it should be. A woman's fashion sense shouldn't be construed as an open invitation to unwanted sexual advance, sorry.

Rushie said:
And it's perplexing the way society today insists women are so powerful, equal to and better than men, so good we can handle combat just like the men, but at the same time we are apparently so weak we're incapable of fending off sexual come ons without suffering psychological damage. Nuts.
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If you think women are really treated the same as men in our society I think you need to get out more.
 
Matthew said:
NFL careers are drastically short, something like 3 years, so it's been many generations now that women reporters have been inside locker rooms. I know there was a lot of tension at first, I don't know how common harassment is now. There's always the story of Mark Gastineau from the NY Jets who liked to parade around naked. He walked in front on one female reporter and asked her, "What do you think of THIS?" She said, "It looks like a penis, only smaller." He left her alone after that.
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I like a woman who can think on her feet.
 
Gerhardt said:
Women shouldn't be in mens locker rooms. And men shouldn't be in women's locker rooms. The courts got that one wrong.
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Ha! Wanna state your position on the latest lunacy of "identifying" for the purposes of waste elimination?
 
steingar said:
Perhaps, but then that is as it should be. A woman's fashion sense shouldn't be construed as an open invitation to unwanted sexual advance, sorry.



If you think women are really treated the same as men in our society I think you need to get out more.
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Disagree. I will grant that if a woman is wearing what everyone else is, she can be forgiven for being surprised for getting targeted but if she is dressing more provocatively than the cultural norm (albeit a moving target) then I hold her responsible, in part, for inviting male attention.

Also I do not think women are treated the same as men. I'm talking about beliefs not actual reality.

Correction: actually I'm talking about assertions. The false assertion that the genders are created and treated equally, if that's what you mean.
 
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Rushie said:
And it's perplexing the way society today insists women are so powerful, equal to and better than men, so good we can handle combat just like the men, but at the same time we are apparently so weak we're incapable of fending off sexual come ons without suffering psychological damage. Nuts.
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In many cases it wasn't psychological damage but threats to their career. I think some women who rebuffed Weinstein were blacklisted.
 
Gerhardt said:
From what I've read there are several dozen who took payments in the hundred's of thousands.

But here's an excerpt from a New Yorker article. This woman is claiming to be an innocent victim who just didn't understand what the million dollar check was for. She took $1M in exchange for being quiet, and now two years later no longer feels like she doesn't have to abide by the settlement...and still keep the $1M. How is this possible?
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On April 20, 2015, the Filipina-Italian model Ambra Battilana Gutierrez sat in an office in midtown Manhattan with an eighteen-page legal agreement in front of her. She had been advised by her attorney that signing the agreement was the best thing for her and her family. In exchange for a million-dollar payment from Harvey Weinstein, Gutierrez would agree never to talk publicly about an incident during which Weinstein groped her breasts and tried to stick his hand up her skirt.

“I didn’t even understand almost what I was doing with all those papers,” she told me, in her first interview discussing her settlement.
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I'm no expert on legal matters, but it seems like she is risking a suit for breach of contract.
 
Rushie said:
I think you are right, probably 100% of women and I believe also a huge proportion of men have been harassed, groped or otherwise the recipient of uninvited sexually related attention. I think that makes it pretty much a natural, normal primate phenomenon.
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Agreed. A few companies back there was a woman (ironically in HR) who made several unwanted advances towards me (including some physical). So based on my experience it goes both ways to some degree, although I tend to think the primate/biological instinct towards more aggressive advances occurs more in males. Biologically, men have a stronger interest in trying to maximize their potential for offspring since it takes little time to mate with additional partners and produce more offspring, thus passing genes on to the next generation. By comparison, women have a much longer required investment just in childbirth so it makes sense to be more selective and thus less likely less aggressive, or at least not as aggressive as often.

My guess is those reasons still drive a lot of motivation and the reasons behind it. Of course, you have exceptions on both sides and the normal variation that exists based on personalities.

Regardless, I'm glad to be happily married and off the market.
 
Where I work, there's a couple of female security guards that are overly touchy towards a couple of male employees, there's been talk about it for years but I've never heard anyone mention making a case of it, they probably never will, it's just different.
 
GlennAB1 said:
Where I work, there's a couple of female security guards that are overly touchy towards a couple of male employees, there's been talk about it for years but I've never heard anyone mention making a case of it, they probably never will, it's just different.
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A few jobs back, there was a woman in HR (oh the irony) who made some unwanted physical advances towards me. I never reported it (it likely wouldn't have gone anywhere if I had) but I did manage to get the point across that it was unwanted, and she stopped. Ultimately she was showing her interest in an inappropriate manner, but I wasn't offended by it.

However if the roles were reversed, no doubt I'd have ended up in a lot of trouble.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
Agreed. A few companies back there was a woman (ironically in HR) who made several unwanted advances towards me (including some physical). So based on my experience it goes both ways to some degree, although I tend to think the primate/biological instinct towards more aggressive advances occurs more in males. Biologically, men have a stronger interest in trying to maximize their potential for offspring since it takes little time to mate with additional partners and produce more offspring, thus passing genes on to the next generation. By comparison, women have a much longer required investment just in childbirth so it makes sense to be more selective and thus less likely less aggressive, or at least not as aggressive as often.

My guess is those reasons still drive a lot of motivation and the reasons behind it. Of course, you have exceptions on both sides and the normal variation that exists based on personalities.

Regardless, I'm glad to be happily married and off the market.
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Ted, Ted, Ted, things are blended now, you know, fuzzy.
 
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