Looking at buying a Cherokee, coupla Q's

Trapper John said:
I think the downside is the future disposition. Bad paint and a not-so-good interior will make it harder to sell down the road.
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Instead of thinking of this vehicle as an airplane, label it "car". $20K isn't unreasonable for a mid-level car these days, and car value is a steady decline. Just as you part out a car, the OP can probably part out the airplane down the road - if there's no other buyer. Or donate it.
 
Which brand of twinkies causes people to be tall and long-waisted? I'll assume your answer means that you have no clue about the issues of cockpit size other than your need for a pillow.

steingar said:
Nothing genetic about it. Just lay off the twinkies and everything will turn out just fine.

Under $20K is a very good deal for a functioning Cherokee 180 with a midtime engine, at least in my often less than humble opinion. Sounds like it hasn't far to go for the IFR. And the OP has time in it. I'm having a hard time seeing a down side to this particular transaction.
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wabower said:
Which brand of twinkies causes people to be tall and long-waisted? I'll assume your answer means that you have no clue about the issues of cockpit size other than your need for a pillow.
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I've put tall people in my aircraft with little problem. I tend to run into problems with those who have, er, lost a bit of horizontal control, to put it mildly.
 
I tried to use the TAP price thing and they want a subscription too. I don't suppose I coul talk one of you guys with an AOPA membership to use their Vref for me could I? :). It looks like it's coming closer to a reality every day. I guess I need to start doing some reading on thee buying process.
 
bigred177 said:
I tried to use the TAP price thing and they want a subscription too. I don't suppose I coul talk one of you guys with an AOPA membership to use their Vref for me could I? :). It looks like it's coming closer to a reality every day. I guess I need to start doing some reading on thee buying process.
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Just a gentle nudge here...

AOPA isn't a "perfect" organization, but you'd probably get at least one year's membership value out of the VREF thing, the piles of data on aircraft purchasing, and could at least get a quote from their insurance underwriter if you joined up.

Their Legal Services referral thing can also help you through the contract/etc.

I kinda got a giggle out of this... My thought was, "You're buying an airplane, but can't afford an AOPA membership?" ;) I understand we're all mega-cheapskates in aviation, but...

It might be time to bite the bullet on this one. :D
 
It's not about being cheap. I had it before and let it run out. I didn't feel I was getting any values for my subscription. I may resubscribe now because I likely will.
 
denverpilot said:
Just a gentle nudge here...

AOPA isn't a "perfect" organization, but you'd probably get at least one year's membership value out of the VREF thing, ...
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Is the VREF thing at all realisitc now? A few years ago it would yield a ridiculously high estimate, at least 25% high.

Of course, one could simply deduct 25% or so from the estimate...
 
Ron Levy said:
Unless you're talking about GPS outages, the only thing the DME adds to a GNS430's capability is the ability to fly the VOR/DME or TACAN Z RWY 15 approach at KMTN and the VOR/DME or TACAN RWY 10 at KWAL. AFAIK, there are no other IFR procedures in the country which addition of a DME to a 430 allows you to fly, and there are better options at both those airports you can fly with a 430 without DME.
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With the 430 in the radio stack and wearing foggles, I find it easier to fly a DME arc with the DME and steam gauges than to have to look over to the 430. It's out of my normal scan much more than a CDI and DME are. That's the flexibility I'm talking about.
 
John Baker said:
My Warrior ends up costing me around 8-10 grand a year, sometimes a little more.

Finding someone to take it off your hands, in todays market, isn't all that easy. Think of yourself not flying at all, yet maintaining that Cherokee because you can't find a buyer. That is happening to a lot of people.

John
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what percent of that is fixed cost? What kind of flying do you do?

Ditto on the second paragraph, I sold my 150 almost 3 months ago and I had it listed for the better part of 6 months. The first time a year before I listed it it didn't get much responses either. My fixed costs weren't nearly that high, but I ended up not utilizing it half as much as I thought I would. Trainers are simply not adequate distance haulers, and putzing around alone in the pattern got old real quick :(
 
steingar said:
I've put tall people in my aircraft with little problem. I tend to run into problems with those who have, er, lost a bit of horizontal control, to put it mildly.
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When I had shoulder harness installed, I also had all the seat belts re-done and insisted on an additional 8 in on each. Makes life so much simpler...
 
bigred177 said:
I tried to use the TAP price thing and they want a subscription too. I don't suppose I coul talk one of you guys with an AOPA membership to use their Vref for me could I? :). It looks like it's coming closer to a reality every day. I guess I need to start doing some reading on thee buying process.
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PM me with the specs and I'll run the numbers thru TAP and AOPA.
 
I should also add that it will probably be the same mechanic that will be working on it. The plane will still be based here so I don't see any reason to change. Maybe that makes a difference... It will also be getting a fresh annual before the sale.

Do I need marker beacon lights for the GS? I still don't know the ins and outs of IFR. If I do, I'll have to get those too. The MX-170 looks real nice since it's a flip-flop, maybe I could throw that into COM 1 with some kind of a cheaper CDI and GS receiver?
 
Ghery said:
With the 430 in the radio stack and wearing foggles, I find it easier to fly a DME arc with the DME and steam gauges than to have to look over to the 430. It's out of my normal scan much more than a CDI and DME are. That's the flexibility I'm talking about.
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Since ATC just isn't going to give you an unpublished DME arc, I can't imagine it being easier to do turn 10/twist 10 than to follow the steering a 430 gives you, but everyone's different.
 
bigred177 said:
Do I need marker beacon lights for the GS? I still don't know the ins and outs of IFR. If I do, I'll have to get those too. The MX-170 looks real nice since it's a flip-flop, maybe I could throw that into COM 1 with some kind of a cheaper CDI and GS receiver?
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Not for a regular ILS -- the FAA did away with the penalties for MB out a long time ago. The only time lack of a MB might be an issue is if you're flying a LOC approach and the OM is the only way you would have to ID the FAF. Of course, a MB receiver is built into most audio panels, so it's usually there.
 
I'll have to look again, but I'm pretty certain it's not there. I think I looked one time.
 
Well it's not looking like the cash is going to come together for this deal. Pretty unfortunate since not only will I not own an airplane but I also lose my sweet deal I had. Back to paying $150/hr for a pa28-160 at the flight school. :sad:

Anyone in the Austin area want to partner on a Cherokee 180?
 
I recommend the partner route if you can find the right individual. I've always run my aircraft in a partnership. Indeed, I don't think I could afford it otherwise. I doubt it would see sufficient activity from me alone.
 
Well the Cherokee sold today. I wasn't able to pull together the funding fast enough. Anyone in the Austin area interested in a non-equity partnership or have a really cheap plane for sale?
 
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