Lincoln Schools Told Not To Call Kids "Boys & Girls"

Some friends and I had a good laugh about the purple penguins over a camp fire the other day. It's so ridiculous how sensitive people have gotten. I'd be pretty confused as a kid! Although, after a glass of wine, you should have heard what going to the park meant! Apparently one of the radio stations made that one up.
 
ChrisK said:
Yes. Intersex is a genetic condition.
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Yes, for maybe 0.3 percent of the population. The remainder of "transgender" people are more likely attention-seeking, displeased with their genetic gender, or simply delusional.

Frankly, if a man wants to pretend that he's a woman, or vice-versa, or if a man or a woman wants to pretend that they have no gender at all, I really don't have a problem with it. It doesn't affect me. But don't expect me to buy into their delusions. A man who believes that he's a woman doesn't carry any more cred with me than a man who believes that he's a martian, a groundhog, or a Jedi warrior.

Rich
 
RJM62 said:
Yes, for maybe 0.3 percent of the population. The remainder of "transgender" people are more likely attention-seeking, displeased with their genetic gender, or simply delusional.

Frankly, if a man wants to pretend that he's a woman, or vice-versa, or if a man or a woman wants to pretend that they have no gender at all, I really don't have a problem with it. It doesn't affect me. But don't expect me to buy into their delusions. A man who believes that he's a woman doesn't carry any more cred with me than a man who believes that he's a martian, a groundhog, or a Jedi warrior.

Rich
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Do NOT disrespect the jedi.

 
I'm a little late to this thread but I'm a teacher and I must say this does not surprise me in the least. This trend has developed over the past 10 years or so where schools are attempting to become more gender neutral. So for example, a common thing for teachers to say while trying to get the attention of the students, some teachers use "guys," when referencing the whole class. So clearly, unless a teacher is working in an all boys school, the use of "guys" is not gender neutral. So, unfortunately if the teacher uses "guys," they are, often unintentionally not being gender neutral as they are not really using the term to refer only to the guys but the whole group. Instead of using "guys" I use, "ladies and gentlemen," or "future leaders of America." It works for me and makes my bosses and co-teachers happy.

I have to say if I ever was asked to use, "purple penguins" I'd be marching into the Principals office prepared to hand in my resignation papers. To take this "issue" to that level is an absurd response and really is insane.

I agree with all those saying that one of the biggest issues facing education nowadays is this shift in mentality that the "few should be as important or more important than the most." I'm not really sure how that came about but it is a huge issue for those in the education field and the belief that we can't leave any child behind, or alienate any group at all, has led to these "purple penguin" like efforts. I don't want to leave anyone behind but I'm not willing to sacrifice the education of most to save the few.
 
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What if the color purple offends me? I like blue. I'm suing.
 
jspilot said:
I'm a little late to this thread but I'm a teacher and I must say this does not surprise me in the least. This trend has developed over the past 10 years or so where schools are attempting to become more gender neutral. So for example, a common thing for teachers to say while trying to get the attention of the students, some teachers use "guys," when referencing the whole class. So clearly, unless a teacher is working in an all boys school, the use of "guys" is not gender neutral. So, unfortunately if the teacher uses "guys," they are, often unintentionally not being gender neutral as they are not really using the term to refer only to the guys but the whole group. Instead of using "guys" I use, "ladies and gentlemen," or "future leaders of America." It works for me and makes my bosses and co-teachers happy.

I have to say if I ever was asked to use, "purple penguins" I'd be marching into the Principals office prepared to hand in my resignation papers. To take this "issue" to that level is an absurd response and really is insane.

I agree with all those saying that one of the biggest issues facing education nowadays is this shift in mentality that the "few should be as important or more important than the most." I'm not really sure how that came about but it is a huge issue for those in the education field and the belief that we can't leave any child behind, or alienate any group at all, has led to these "purple penguin" like efforts. I don't want to leave anyone behind but I'm not willing to sacrifice the education of most to save the few.
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What the hell happened to just saying "boys and girls"..:dunno::dunno:....:confused:
 
Feeling alienated and finding your self worth from within is part of growing up. I don't care if your trans, gay, Muslim, Klingon, or just a big nerd. There's always something and learning to deal with it is key to maturity.

If you can't handle being addressed in a way you don't like or some bathroom confusion, how are you ever going to make it through all the indignities, trials, etc encountered out in the real world? That's what I don't get.
 
N801BH said:
What the hell happened to just saying "boys and girls"..:dunno::dunno:....:confused:
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Well, because those terms are meaningless now that people are allowed to compel the rest of society to cater to their own delusions. Boys can decide that their girls, or vice-versa, or either can decide that they're neither. Presumably they can also decide that they're both, if that's how they self-identify, and the rest of us simply have to accept it.

The concept actually has a lot of promise when you think about it. We could solve a lot of problems that way.

People who are short, for example, could simply identify as tall people, and fat people could identify as skinny people. No need for dieting or liposuction. Just self-identify, and the problem's solved.

The blind, too, would benefit. They would no longer be banned from driving and flying. All they'd have to do would be self-identify as sighted people.

White males who believe they've been victimized by "reverse discrimination" could declare themselves to be Black (or Latino, Asian, or whatever else they choose) and qualify for Affirmative Action.

And let's not forget the plight of stupid people whose occupational choices are limited by their lack of intelligence. All they'd have to do would be to declare that they're actually smart people trapped in dumb people's bodies, and then they too could be surgeons, lawyers, and rocket scientists.

I mean, why not? If people can override the clear, demonstrable, biological facts of their gender in favor of what they wish, hope, or believe to be true, then why not extend that ability to other aspects of their existence that they may not be happy with? It would solve an awful lot of problems.

Rich
 
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Wow. So all that psycho babble that started in the early 1960's is now coming home to roost? The Baby Boomer generation never ceases to amaze me how self important they are, and how self important their kids, etc are in today's society.

It is coming.
 
RJM62 said:
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White males who believe they've been victimized by "reverse discrimination" could declare themselves to be Black (or Latino, Asian, or whatever else they choose) and qualify for Affirmative Action.

Rich
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<sigh>
Bill Clinton has already done that.
Precedent set

:(
 
I think Michael Jackson beat him to it though.
 
I think saying "everyone" has been gender neutral for years and sounds better than purple penguins.
 
I used to hear, "Y'all shut up and pay attention!". I think that purt much covered everybody; boys, girls, and other.
 
I had a shop teach that would slam an iron pipe on a steel desk. That got the attention of all boys, girls, and penguins. But it was usually all boys. Or shall I say, it was usually all persons with penises.
 
N801BH said:
What the hell happened to just saying "boys and girls"..:dunno::dunno:....:confused:
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Sorry to respond so much later than your question, I was at a meeting with some Purple Penguins and had to listen to countless penguins waddle up to the podium and give speeches about how they don't want to be used as a gender neutral term because they have genders and now are confused if they should have genders or not. They also felt that they should not be described by their color because, by labeling them as the color or appearance, they are being unfairly pigeon holed and thats not why they became purple penguins instead of your more traditional colored penguins. :)

No in all seriousness nothing is wrong with Boys and Girls, I use ladies and gentlemen because I teach middle school and boys and girls just sounds very young to me.
 
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Pedals2Paddles said:
I had a shop teach that would slam an iron pipe on a steel desk. That got the attention of all boys, girls, and penguins. But it was usually all boys. Or shall I say, it was usually all persons with penises.
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I had a theater/performing arts teacher who would holler "Idiots, on stage!" for the men's chorus, and "Heifers!" for the women's.

He'd be so fired in the modern PC era.

He was a Marine with grunt experience in VN. He didn't give a damn what anyone thought of him, his "teaching style", or pretty much anything.

He also made it really abundantly clear that Directors in the performing arts don't give a crap about your feelings, or need you on stage, and can replace you before you've even packed your crap and changed back into your street clothes.

He inspired more than his fair share of folks who ended up on Broadway and the performing arts. If you look carefully you'll see a glimpse of him in the chorus of the West Side Story movie.

Everyone I've talked to since those shared experiences 20+ years ago harbors no ill will toward him nor pretends that they were "offended" back then by it. In fact, to a person, he is always mentioned fondly as a teacher who really DID care enough to give a realistic view of how hard the performing arts can be on people emotionally and how rewarding putting on a top notch performance is.

I thought he was going to chew my ass midway through "South Pacific" when I had a bit part of the clerk who comes into the Officer's scene carrying a big stack of reports... On Wednesday night of a week long run, I tripped as I entered the set, and the pile of "paperwork" as a prop was instantly scattered across half the stage.

I was immediately in shock. Our cast had some very talented folks and they went into ad-lib mode instantly. "Ensign, PICK UP THAT MESS!" which is exactly what I did while they made up lines, and then, "Ensign, a-ten-HUT!" (I went to attention...) "Why are you in here making a mess of my office?! There had better be a dammed good reason!"

Yes sir... And back into the lines...

He came backstage laughing his ass off...

"You guys covered that PERFECTLY! PROPS! Staple that damned pile of papers together before tomorrow night, so KLUTZ here doesn't have to clean them up off the stage when he falls down again! Good job, guys! Chorus, PLACES!"

And he stomped off to check on whatever else needed done to finish out the show that night...

Great guy. I hope he's enjoying retirement.
 
Oh he'd be fired and arrested for hurting someone's delicate feelings today.
 
cowman said:
You wanna know why this sounds so ridiculous?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/education/purplepenguins.asp
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Funny, I now get to correct Snopes! :D

No one said they "banned" the words "boys & girls" in LPS. What is aappealing to everyone here is we paid for diversity training moron to sit around and dream up this crap and the superintendent approved the pamphlet to be printed and distributed to all teachers. It happened, no Snopes verification needed..

On another note the last school board meeting lasted 3 hours longer than usual as the school board got a freaking ear full from the public blasting them!
 
The same PC crap went on in Roman schools - just before the roman empire fell.
 
Just how confusing will it be for children to be treated as either the boys, or girls they are at home, but treated as purple penguins by the potted plants at school?

If it was possible to sell stupid, this guy leads the world in collected net worth.
 
Geico266 said:
On another note the last school board meeting lasted 3 hours longer than usual as the school board got a freaking ear full from the public blasting them!
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And next election, the voters will either have forgotten or will vote in more of the same.

Anyone started a recall campaign yet?

That's action. Going to a meeting is totally useless. Bunch of people whining for their allotted time at the mic and the board smiling and nodding up front until they can leave and go home and have a beer.
 
denverpilot said:
And next election, the voters will either have forgotten or will vote in more of the same.

Anyone started a recall campaign yet?

That's action. Going to a meeting is totally useless. Bunch of people whining for their allotted time at the mic and the board smiling and nodding up front until they can leave and go home and have a beer.
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Another reason why we need to scrap the public education funding system and move to vouchers. For public school boards, all these meetings represent are short periods of boredom. The parents have no power, so nothing will change. But give parents the right to take their kids' educational dollars elsewhere, and schools will start taking parents seriously.

Rich
 
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