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A friend of mine, Janin Hutcheson, was the FO on this last flight from Atlanta to Tampa. This is the audio, using the call sign "Critter" instead of the usual Citrus. For those who may not remember AirTran was formerly ValuJet whose call sign was Critter. :D They are all sucked up into SWA now!:rolleyes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-8inGMzfgU&feature=youtu.be
 
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I believe my Grumman buddy Lou Evans was in the other seat, but he doesn't go back to the Critter days.
 
I believe my Grumman buddy Lou Evans was in the other seat, but he doesn't go back to the Critter days.
Her Facebook shows Floyd Ponder as the captain, for whatever that's worth. :D
 
A bit of correction on the history. ValuJet merged with AirTran, but kept the AirTran name because the ValuJet brand was destroyed by the accident out of Miami. AirTran was a real airline flying B737 before the merger.
 
Air tran had the friendliest crews,the least amount of leg room. and terrible gate space at some airports.You get what you pay for.
 
"The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page."

Thanks, Ron. You spared me from having to agonize over whether to click a FB link.

Rich
 
I kinda remember PeoplExpress....

There were no gate agents.. You checked yourself in IIRC...:dunno:


Yes.

I flew People Express once around 1983. You could board without a ticket! The flight attendants took your payment on board, after takeoff. They had a cash register on the cart, like a beverage cart -- they pushed it up the aisle and cheerfully took your payment. This was a lot like paying your fare on a bus.

After 9-11 this is hard to imagine.

Routes were NYC to Boston or Washington.
 
Oh, like their pay rates were better as Critter ????

I never heard anybody mention pay, so I don't really think that was an issue, most seem to have preferred the AirTran culture. The reason I won't fly SWA is mainly that I can afford not to fly SWA.:D
 
Yes.

I flew People Express once around 1983. You could board without a ticket! The flight attendants took your payment on board, after takeoff. They had a cash register on the cart, like a beverage cart -- they pushed it up the aisle and cheerfully took your payment. This was a lot like paying your fare on a bus.

After 9-11 this is hard to imagine.

Routes were NYC to Boston or Washington.
I recently had a conversation with a former PeopleExpress pilot, now retired from United, who had some favorable things to say about the culture of everyone pitching in and performing multiple jobs. That was a slice of nostalgia I didn't expect to hear.
 
Coworkers wife works for SWA and she said she loves it and the CEO is all about his people. Just 3rd party info.
 
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Here's a picture of her and the unverified captain! :D
 
Coworkers wife works for SWA and she said she loves it and the CEO is all about his people. Just 3rd party info.

I think a lot of it may be resentment that the company sold out and a lot of folks got canned and a apparently there are two levels of employees, SWA and AT.:rolleyes: But, like you it's 3rd party info. :D
 
I think they raise a lot of good points. The only way WN stays competitive going forward is chapter 11.

Yep. Because they're losing money, hand over gist.

Oh wait. Not.

Actually, it is interesting. The common wisdom used to be that Southwest only made money by paying less than the others (which really wasn't true, but their pay was calculated differently), then it was that they could not be successful while serving larger markets (which has, of course, proven false). Their pay is industry-leading.

The big thing has been to ensure that the line is actively-involved in promoting industry-best productivity, and in better customer service, and I think the culture of respect has served these goals well.

Time will tell, but it appears they are on track to continue their success, and I think that international ops will be a good avenue for continued growth. Thus, it still appears that bankruptcy is ... not a likelihood. Swimming in cash, making money, low debt- not exactly a recipe for abject failure.

(At one point, right after 9/11, Southwest's market capitalization was greater than the reast of the the domestic airline industry -all of it, combined. Not really relevant now, but interesting).

I never heard anybody mention pay, so I don't really think that was an issue, most seem to have preferred the AirTran culture. The reason I won't fly SWA is mainly that I can afford not to fly SWA.:D

Funny, because while we avoid flying commercial where we can, when we must, Southwest is usually our first choice (assuming a logical itinerary). Fact is, unless you have "status" or are paying for first class (something my budget just doesn't accommodate), the flying experience these days is pretty poor. In Dallas, we are likely to be required to use AA, or make connections in Atlanta, Denver or Chicago. Pay to reserve a seat (after all the decent ones are already blocked for elites), pay to check bags, stand in long lines to board and worst, if your plans change, you either pay large change fees, or forfeit the ticket value completely. None of these issues apply to Southwest.

Since my commercial travel is often short lead time with frequent changes, the ability to change flights without penalty is a big deal, and I usually make reservations too late to score a decent seat. Check in timely on SWA, and I pick my own seat, and I cannot recall the last time I flew in a middle seat (except by choice).

Also, AA has the practice of, when ops get irregular (thunderstorm season in Texas) of simply canceling the whole schedule for the day and "rebooting" the next day (often the best choice for them, when the weather hits their big hub, but scant comfort if the hub happens to be your destination). This has had the effect of stranding me "out" several times, and AA's answer has always been, "It's weather, sorry." Southwest is much, much better at recovering, and much MUCH more aggressive in (1) taking aggressive action to re-accommodate passengers, and (2) keeping passengers informed (with truthful information, not just pablum') than the network carriers.

So, better service, better schedules (now that the a Wright Amendment restrictions on nonstop service to and from Dallas Love are gone), reasonable cost (not always the cheapest, but never a ripoff). And (of course), the unmatched safety record don't hurt (emphasize, I am completely comfortable flying on any of the North American carriers).

From my perspective, they're the best airline in the country, and my friends who fly for them seem pretty happy. YMMV.
 
I think a lot of it may be resentment that the company sold out and a lot of folks got canned and a apparently there are two levels of employees, SWA and AT.:rolleyes: But, like you it's 3rd party info. :D

There is no "B Scale" at Southwest.
 
Southwest is much, much better at recovering, and much MUCH more aggressive in (1) taking aggressive action to re-accommodate passengers, and (2) keeping passengers informed (with truthful information, not just pablum') than the network carriers.

I think it only took my about 2 delayed flights to fall for Southwest because of this^^. I flew them almost monthly to Baltimore for business and it was an extremely satisfying experience overall. I was to the point I would hope they were late, meant lots and lots of free drinks!

Now that I've switched back to my previous company I'm flying to Charlotte/NYC on USAir. I will miss SWA for certain, although my Charlotte flight is really good, rarely if ever late, courteous and SHORT!
 
I guess if I had a choice between SWA and AA, I would probably choose SWA as well. :dunno: But, in Atlanta we have Delta, which flies direct to just about anywhere I have to go when I don't fly myself. Personally, I only fly commercial 2 or 3 trips per year, so I really can't say I love any airline, I do like the option of business class on Delta and the other carriers. ;)
 
There is no "B Scale" at Southwest.

I didn't mean to imply that, I think it's the treatment of the AT folks by the SWA folks. But, again any of my information is from friends and customers that went from AT to SWA. I am sure they will all love each other in due time, like the Delta and NWA folks. ;)
 
We flew AirTran out of Flint, Mi KFNT nonstop to Florida a number of times. Always seemed to get the same cabin crew. We liked them - funny, irreverent, usually held an auction/lottery after the meal was cleaned up. It was that people connection that had us choose them the times we flew that route commercial.
 
I don't think the AirTran folks were too happy, I know I'll probably not fly SWA.;)


The SW crews were/are definitely not happy about the AT acquisition......

In fact, on the night of the acquisition announcement, I rode the MCO "prison" bus (employee parking) with several SW and AT crews. The SW crews looked like their dog died, and the AT crews, to a man, were ecstatic about the news......

No one got canned either. In fact, SW took ALL of the AT crews, while selling 2/3s of their aircraft to DAL.
 
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The only way WN stays competitive going forward is chapter 11.

Say what?

https://www.southwest.com/html/southwest-difference/southwest-citizenship/one-report.html

Record profits, 41 consecutive years of profitability, record net income, solid growth, international expansion, no furlough history.

Chapter 11 - not even close.

Now, if the source of your bad financial analysis is from legacy carrier pilots, then that explains it. Damn SWA for having happy employees, taxiing too fast, working too hard, and killing our bloated defined benefit pension plans...
 
Yep. Because they're losing money, hand over gist.

Oh wait. Not. . .

. . . From my perspective, they're the best airline in the country, and my friends who fly for them seem pretty happy. YMMV.

I agree with everything you said, SCCutler. I've been flying SWA almost exclusively for the past 4 years for business. A-List and of all of that (which doesn't account for much anymore other than auto-check-in). SWA is on-time for 9 out of 10 flights, and even the ones that get delayed are usually only by 30-45 minutes at most. I've never had a flight cancelled, nor have I missed a connecting flight. They have also never lost my checked baggage in the 50+ flights I've taken. I've never had an unpleasant experience with a ticket agent, boarding agent, FA, or crew member.

AA and Delta have each lost my luggage at least once, and I've only flown each about half a dozen times in the past few years. The flight crew has been "cold" frequently, and the ticket agents normally have a line a mile long with people getting frustrated, even when it's not during peak times.

If I can't fly SWA, I normally try to grab a Continental flight as they have been a pleasant experience for me.
 
I guess if I had a choice between SWA and AA, I would probably choose SWA as well. :dunno: But, in Atlanta we have Delta, which flies direct to just about anywhere I have to go when I don't fly myself. Personally, I only fly commercial 2 or 3 trips per year, so I really can't say I love any airline, I do like the option of business class on Delta and the other carriers. ;)

Well, that would be the ONLY way to have a good experience going through ATL is if that's your beginning or ending destination. For everyone else that has a layover there, you can just about guarantee that you'll be running from terminal-to-terminal and that your flight in will be late, with your connecting flight also being delayed. There's a reason people hate flying through ATL.
 
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