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Pattern Altitude
NEVER aim for the numbers. ALWAY aim for the Fixed Distance Marker.
Figured, just didn't know if that changed with heaviest equipment
NEVER aim for the numbers. ALWAY aim for the Fixed Distance Marker.
Don't know anything about this accident but I think CAT3 is done periodically for certification purposes regardless of the weather so it's not out of the question.
Was not engine failure.
Since it looks like the debris begins on the right side of the chevrons, wouldn't you think the right engine is in the drink, and the left one is the one that came to rest next to the right side of the fuselage?
Condolences to the families of those who passed (2) and those injured. I just got back from Livermore for lunch with a friend, When we were climbing out from PAO on the way to LVK, I looked out to the left and pointed out a smoke plume to the northwest to my passenger. Found out what it was when we got to the restaurant. Very sad.
No argument, it is too early to judge. However, based on all info available seems like a very probable cause, unless there were technical issues with the 777. Considering there was no distress call, seems like a tired pilot, long way from South Korea, misjudged his glide path onto the runway or version 2. a bit more twisted where his airspeed got away from him and he stalled the plane causing him to sink and smash main gear against the sea wall.
Just glad most are alive, including the captain, which will tell us all about
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If the pilot was attempting to land on 27L that may be the problem.
Wow! is that a normal 3 degree glide path? Looks awefully low!
I bet OAK and SJC are zoos right now!
Just heard from a witness (CNN TV) who was on that flight that confirmed that pilot throttled the engines just before they touched the ground, which again kind of proves the theory that he was too low or stalled.
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"There was no immediate indication of what caused the crash, but an FBI special agent said there was no indication it was a terrorist act." from The SF Chronicle.
That will start the conspiracy kooks off immediately.
Cheers
Air traffic control audio -- between the airport's tower and Flight 214 crew members -- suggested that those on the ground knew there was some sort of problem, promising that "emergency vehicles are responding."
"We have everyone on their way," the air traffic controller said, according to LiveATC.net, a website that provides air traffic control audio.
Remind me please, Greg. You fly 777's?
Survivor Benjamin Levy told local a local NBC station by phone that he believed the plane had been coming in too low.
"I know the airport pretty well, so I realized the guy was a bit too low, too fast, and somehow he was not going to hit the runway on time, so he was too low ... he put some gas and tried to go up again," he said.
"But it was too late, so we hit the runway pretty bad, and then we started going up in the air again, and then landed again, pretty hard," Levy said.
If you fly to Asia do it on a US carrier...I better stop there.
There is nothing to educate with. All we know at this point is the airplane came up way short which is a very unusual thing. All I will suggest at this point is that the pilot was probably not aiming/planning to touch down there.Rather than excoriating people for sharing their opinion that it was pilot error, we should EDUCATE members on the other plausible causes for this kind of accident on a visual approach.
I believe reporters have a talent for identifying the dumbest person around and sticking the microphone and camera in that person's face...
Ramp strike.What else would you call slamming into a seawall on a cat 3 approach?
A bad day.What else would you call slamming into a seawall on a cat 3 approach?
+1,000....A bad day.
An eyewitness in a turboprop on a taxiway who was a pilot witnessed the left engine break off. He said it slid into the safe area between the runways. I don't know if that's the engine that ended up next to the plane or not.
Can you find anywhere in my post where I said with 100% certianty that this was the cause??
There was a news report that emergency services were in place before the landing, which means an in-flight emergency was communicated. The fire trucks were there instantly. Why else would they have gotten there so fast?
Just heard from a witness (CNN TV) who was on that flight that confirmed that pilot throttled the engines just before they touched the ground, which again kind of proves the theory that he was too low or stalled.
There was a news report that emergency services were in place before the landing, which means an in-flight emergency was communicated. The fire trucks were there instantly. Why else would they have gotten there so fast?
Maybe under the aft cabin? Departed the pylon and was "swept" up by the aft cabin as the plane rotated on the terrain?
Very surreal to watch this today.
A super-hi res pic of the entire debris field and ground path.
http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/R..._GM1E9770NWQ01_RTRMADP_3_USA-CRASH-ASIANA.JPG
I'm guessing the scrape going off frame to the left is the "missing" engine seen above