Know anyone with Coronavirus?

[overdrive148]

How many combat fatalities were there in WW2?

"but of those deaths, how many were death BECAUSE of WW2 and not death WITH WW2?"

 

[EdFred]

How many combat fatalities were there in WW2?

I saw a number of over 400,000
144000 x 2 is not 400,000

 

[Morgan3820]

How many combat fatalities were there in WW2? Not total, combat.

US or overall?

 

[denverpilot]

Okay, deaths are going up significantly in my state of Texas. You agree we should worry about those death numbers that we are seeing on the rise in some states. I am confused - what do you think we should be doing?

Quarantining the ill. Just like any other epidemic. Don’t pick your nose unless you washed your hand.

 

[DavidWhite]

I saw a number of over 400,000
144000 x 2 is not 400,000

Well I see 291,000.

 

[overdrive148]

Well I see 291,000.

Source: Wikipedia (only one I can find fast)

 

[crash7]

Okay, deaths are going up significantly in my state of Texas. You agree we should worry about those death numbers that we are seeing on the rise in some states. I am confused - what do you think we should be doing?

Those that are worried about it can stay home and stay safe. Your CHOICE.
I’m not DEMANDING you don’t wear a mask. Stop DEMANDING that I do.


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[crash7]

"but of those deaths, how many were death BECAUSE of WW2 and not death WITH WW2?"

I see what you did there...


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[EdFred]

Well I see 291,000.

And how many of those people were over the age of 65 and due to die anyway?

 

[overdrive148]

Those that are worried about it can stay home and stay safe. Your CHOICE.
I’m not DEMANDING you don’t wear a mask. Stop DEMANDING that I do.


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Okay I'm going to ask you again since you seem to be having trouble staying on your own train of thought. You said that you're only worried about death numbers. The coronavirus death numbers are rising quickly in some states. I asked what you think we should be doing to combat these numbers and deaths. Your response is DON'T DEMAND I WEAR A MASK. I don't understand your point of view but I would like to. How does this help reduce the rising death numbers in these states? Do you have anything to add?

 

[Jeff Oslick]

Source: Wikipedia (only one I can find fast)

The data I've seen puts COVID-19 on par, per-capita, with Vietnam. Except COVID-19 is in 6 months, not several years. Just looking at the US population, of course.

 

[Matthew Rogers]

Won't argue that. If each country is treated as an individual, those flights should have been banned in January, and anyone coming back put into isolation.

Why put them in isolation? Everyone else in the country can fend for themselves knowing that there are infected travelers around, right? Isolation is an affront to their freedom to be a tourist!! Why don't you show them around the country and you can choose to wear a mask, or not.

 

[denverpilot]

Well I see 291,000.

There’s some Jewish folk who might want a chat with you about why we sacrificed a couple hundred thousand... to save...

WWII is still WAY higher magnitudes than Covid.

Another perspective item. When the media was freaking out about FL. Wording like “record setting deaths” and such.

They wrote that at 150 deaths a day.

Normal death rate per day that month in FL?

250.

Covid ain’t pretty, but how it’s described is a significant factor in total fear levels.

They were setting Covid records. They weren’t even halfway to normal deaths per day.

AND they were caught mixing them. Which could be ignored honestly as normal. But it lowers the Covid number further.

Will Covid surpass normal death rates? Math looks like it for some areas. Sure. Linear growth is luckily not happening in most places or has incredibly shallow slopes compared to infections, which is great news mathematically.

But WWII deaths? Gimme a break. It might catch up by the very end of the epidemic. Numbers say it will worldwide. Not even close yet.

 

[Jeff Oslick]

And how many of those people were over the age of 65 and due to die anyway?

And how many of the younger ones that didn't die will have permanent disabilities and possibly die at a younger age due to complications from COVID? Or is this like our veterans, if you don't die, we don't give a f... about you?

 

[EdFred]

Why put them in isolation? Everyone else in the country can fend for themselves knowing that there are infected travelers around, right? Isolation is an affront to their freedom to be a tourist!! Why don't you show them around the country and you can choose to wear a mask, or not.

Strawman. Re-read what I typed.

 

[crash7]

Okay I'm going to ask you again since you seem to be having trouble staying on your own train of thought. You said that you're only worried about death numbers. The coronavirus death numbers are rising quickly in some states. I asked what you think we should be doing to combat these numbers and deaths. Your response is DON'T DEMAND I WEAR A MASK. I don't understand your point of view but I would like to. How does this help reduce the rising death numbers in these states? Do you have anything to add?

Fully read post 447. Come back when you’re done.


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[EdFred]

And how many of the younger ones that didn't die will have permanent disabilities and possibly die at a younger age due to complications from COVID? Or is this like our veterans, if you don't die, we don't give a f... about you?

Happens every day due to non-covid incidents/accidents/contractions.

 

[GaryM]

And how many of those people were over the age of 65 and due to die anyway?

The life expectancy in the US is almost 79 years.

 

[Matthew Rogers]

THIS.
If I am to be responsible for Matt’s safety, then he in turn is responsible for MY safety. So, Matt, I need to you follow me around 24/7 and be ready to protect me if I’m about to be mugged, robbed, etc. You had damn well better be there, bucko, since we are all responsible for each other.
No? Fine. I’ll continue to be the only one responsible for ME, as intended.

As far as people saying “masks aren’t going to be forever”, man I chuckle at that. Here we are into our fourth month of that little “2 weeks to ‘flatten the curve’ thing”.


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Go live in the woods and disavow all aspects of a connected society if you don't want to be part of it. That is your choice. Then you can only worry about yourself and the grizzlies. Otherwise, be a good person and help others as a part of the transaction of being able to use the roads, power, water, electricity, businesses and services, health care, etc. that the society provides as a condition of living in it.

 

[EdFred]

The life expectancy in the US is almost 79 years.

Not in 1945 it wasn't. Nor in 1942 (since the war affected life expectancy) and brought it down a couple years.

 

[overdrive148]

Fully read post 447. Come back when you’re done.


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"Those that are worried about it can stay home and stay safe. Your CHOICE.
I’m not DEMANDING you don’t wear a mask. Stop DEMANDING that I do."

I have read the post fully and I have come back. How does this have any bearing on the death numbers. If 100,000 people per day were dying to a pandemic disease would you say the exact same thing? If so, do death numbers even matter to you at all?

 

[crash7]

Go live in the woods and disavow all aspects of a connected society if you don't want to be part of it. That is your choice. Then you can only worry about yourself and the grizzlies. Otherwise, be a good person and help others as a part of the transaction of being able to use the roads, power, water, electricity, businesses and services, health care, etc. that the society provides as a condition of living in it.

So when can you come over to protect me when I go out later in case I’m mugged? You’re responsible for my safety remember...


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[Jeff Oslick]

Fully read post 447. Come back when you’re done.

Staying home is not a guarantee of staying safe for the millions who live in mixed-generation homes. You still want to be served by a 20-something at a bar, but they need to go home and live with grandpa at the end of the day.

 

[denverpilot]

The point on testing was as capacity increased, the testing delay decreased. So due to batching of reports, delayed tests...
So there are two numbers to consider. Number based on date reported and number based on date of death. The two rarely agree. I have NOT looked at the details, but from what I have seen posted elsewhere, the reported number is often artificially higher due to labs not working weekends, delayed results....

Tim

Just catching up on responses ...

Never argued there wasn’t lag. Said it’s an easy math problem to calculate it into a current number with a percentage of error rate — and those numbers back when we were discussing this were looking fine, even if one assumed every lab came back positive.

A totally unrealistic scenario. But would be the top of that potential error boundary. Bottom is nobody came back positive.

Definitely not hard to cover data lag. But in the numbers we were discussing, nil effect either way.

 

[crash7]

"Those that are worried about it can stay home and stay safe. Your CHOICE.
I’m not DEMANDING you don’t wear a mask. Stop DEMANDING that I do."

I have read the post fully and I have come back. How does this have any bearing on the death numbers. If 100,000 people per day were dying to a pandemic disease would you say the exact same thing? If so, do death numbers even matter to you at all?

I’ll help you along, you appear to need it. My response to your deaths question was “YOU stay home, YOU stay safe”.

Tada.

My request for you to stop being a hypocrite by demanding behavior from me, but not liking my suggested behavior of you was more of a plea.


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[Morgan3820]

Go live in the woods and disavow all aspects of a connected society if you don't want to be part of it. That is your choice. Then you can only worry about yourself and the grizzlies. Otherwise, be a good person and help others as a part of the transaction of being able to use the roads, power, water, electricity, businesses and services, health care, etc. that the society provides as a condition of living in it.

Or, Since you are worried about It much more than I am, you wear a mask that prevents you from catching the Covid that I might or might not have. Bonus, if I do get it, I will stay home until I die or get better.

 

[danhagan]

Yes, there are a lot. There are also a lot of really stupid people, probably of agnostic political persuasion, who insist on having large parties at their homes and in county parks, where no one is enforcing any form of physical distancing.

I thought that was called "protesting"

 

[Matthew Rogers]

The NYT estimated that 75% of cases nationwide are traceable back to NYC. Here in NH at one of our ski area towns (Waterville Valley) elementary school registration is up 40% for the fall, lots of NY plates here in NH.

Other states absolutely should have restricted travel from NY during the peak outbreak. Now that NY is one of the safest places to be, they should restrict travel from hotspots. NY did a poor job in some areas because they were at the forefront of understanding the virus. Also, the president was downplaying the severity every day, certainly not helping everyone come together to stop the spread. Lessons learned from NY are being applied across the country and world to make the next cases more manageable. Places that are not taking the advice are getting hit harder. And the rich people that travelled out to rural areas and did not quarantine themselves are at fault for spreading it. They had a responsibility to their new communities and in many cases, did not follow through. And yes, that means that they should have looked after others, not just themselves.

 

[EdFred]

And how many of the younger ones that didn't die will have permanent disabilities and possibly die at a younger age due to complications from COVID? Or is this like our veterans, if you don't die, we don't give a f... about you?

There's a difference though. One is a natural occurence, and one is not. I think vets need to be much better taken care of than they are as they were providing services, sacrifices, and duties under federal oversight.

 

[overdrive148]

I’ll help you along, you appear to need it. My response to your deaths question was “YOU stay home, YOU stay safe”.

Tada.

My request for you to stop being a hypocrite by demanding behavior from me, but not liking my suggested behavior of you was more of a plea.

I guess my point was that I don’t give a flying fig about “cases”. Deaths are what we should worry about.

Okay. I have been responding to this part of your post. If deaths are what we should worry about, which is a direct quote from you, what do we do about reducing deaths? "Don't make me wear a mask" and "wear one if you want" doesn't sound like a way to reduce deaths.

The reason I'm talking with you and quoting this part of your previous post is to understand your point of view about the deaths (which you say should be worried about) and how to lower them, I am not demanding any behavior out of you. I'm discussing it with EdFred because (metaphorically) isolating myself with only people who think the way I do isn't a good or reliable way to get a well-rounded viewpoint on an issue.

I want to hear what you have to say but so far I'm not seeing anything but "the best way to reduce deaths is to not tell me what to do and wear one if you want" and that doesn't make sense.

 

[crash7]

Okay. I have been responding to this part of your post. If deaths are what we should worry about, which is a direct quote from you, what do we do about reducing deaths? "Don't make me wear a mask" and "wear one if you want" doesn't sound like a way to reduce deaths.

The reason I'm talking with you and quoting this part of your previous post is to understand your point of view about the deaths (which you say should be worried about) and how to lower them, I am not demanding any behavior out of you. I'm discussing it with EdFred because (metaphorically) isolating myself with only people who think the way I do isn't a good or reliable way to get a well-rounded viewpoint on an issue.

I want to hear what you have to say but so far I'm not seeing anything but "the best way to reduce deaths is to not tell me what to do and wear one if you want" and that doesn't make sense.

I think this is the third time I’ve answered your question. I’ll try to be even more brief:
YOU stay home. You won’t get it. I promise to not come to your house and cough, sneeze burp or fart on you.


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[Morgan3820]

There’s some Jewish folk who might want a chat with you about why we sacrificed a couple hundred thousand... to save...

WWII is still WAY higher magnitudes than Covid.

Another perspective item. When the media was freaking out about FL. Wording like “record setting deaths” and such.

They wrote that at 150 deaths a day.

Normal death rate per day that month in FL?

250.

Covid ain’t pretty, but how it’s described is a significant factor in total fear levels.

They were setting Covid records. They weren’t even halfway to normal deaths per day.

AND they were caught mixing them. Which could be ignored honestly as normal. But it lowers the Covid number further.

Will Covid surpass normal death rates? Math looks like it for some areas. Sure. Linear growth is luckily not happening in most places or has incredibly shallow slopes compared to infections, which is great news mathematically.

But WWII deaths? Gimme a break. It might catch up by the very end of the epidemic. Numbers say it will worldwide. Not even close yet.

The Black Death. Now that was a pandemic.

 

[Matthew Rogers]

There's a difference though. One is a natural occurence, and one is not. I think vets need to be much better taken care of than they are as they were providing services, sacrifices, and duties under federal oversight.

SmallPox was a natural occurrence. Malaria is too worldwide and was in the US until the government spent a lot of money to eradicate it in the 1950s. Would you rather that the government re-release it back into the world so we can be more natural? Or does the government/society not have a responsibility to take care of anything natural anymore?

 

[GaryM]

The life expectancy in the US is almost 79 years.

Fair enough. I was using present day figures.

Still, it's impressive that in just 75 years the average lifespan in this country has been increased by 14 years. Be thankful for advances in medicine, better management of infectious diseases, fewer people smoking, safer cars, and a number of other factors. I suppose there are people out there opposed to every one of them.

 

[Matthew Rogers]

You're sugar coating a lot the mistakes made by #KillerCuomo, when did they didn't start nightly cleaning of the subways until May 6th and the MTA is a state agency. BTW May 6 was 4 days prior to him reversing his murderous nursing home order.

I said they did a poor job in some areas, how is that sugarcoating it? Please give me a list of exactly what you would have done with you as Governor and knowing what we knew back in March-May. Somehow cleaning the subways would have stopped the pandemic? Looks like surfaces don't even transmit much virus according to the recent results, so that would not have changed very much.

NY is doing much better than FL, TX, AZ right now.

 

[Morgan3820]

Fair enough. I was using present day figures.

Still, it's impressive that in just 75 years the average lifespan in this country has been increased by 14 years. Be thankful for advances in medicine, better management of infectious diseases, fewer people smoking, safer cars, and a number of other factors. I suppose there are people out there opposed to every one of them.

But as a society, what did it Actually gain us? Individually, great. But as a whole mankind what is the benefit?

 

[EdFred]

Fair enough. I was using present day figures.

Still, it's impressive that in just 75 years the average lifespan in this country has been increased by 14 years. Be thankful for advances in medicine, better management of infectious diseases, fewer people smoking, safer cars, and a number of other factors. I suppose there are people out there opposed to every one of them.

I'm not sure it's a good thing to extend the lifespan when you look at the last years of a lot of peoples lives. Dementia, Alzheimers, lack of mobility, etc...

 

[Matthew Rogers]

But as a society, what did it Actually gain us? Individually, great. But as a whole mankind what is the benefit?

A few more years of your rambling it seems.

 

[Morgan3820]

A few more years of your rambling it seems.

Ditto, Babe.

 

[overdrive148]

I think this is the third time I’ve answered your question. I’ll try to be even more brief:
YOU stay home. You won’t get it. I promise to not come to your house and cough, sneeze burp or fart on you.

I appreciate that!

My point is that I think we can all agree to not do that in someone else's home, and the extension of that is not doing it in someone else's face. The tools to prevent doing that unintentionally are masks and social distancing. That's the only point I'm trying to make. I agree that the death rates are concerning and I want to do my part to stop them from rising. But these rates aren't in my control, they are in our control. I can't accompany you to get pegboards tonight but I'll settle for "helping" someone here instead by not getting them sick (if you'll allow that).

 

[denverpilot]

The Black Death. Now that was a pandemic.

Lol. Monty Python...

“Bring our your dead!”

“But I’m not dead yet! I don’t want to go on the cart!”

The comedians during the next historical quiet phase shall have ample material from us current group of screeching monkeys!

Already started:

Dude is funny as hell. And amazingly, from Boulder!

 

[crash7]

I appreciate that!

My point is that I think we can all agree to not do that in someone else's home, and the extension of that is not doing it in someone else's face. The tools to prevent doing that unintentionally are masks and social distancing. That's the only point I'm trying to make. I agree that the death rates are concerning and I want to do my part to stop them from rising. But these rates aren't in my control, they are in our control. I can't accompany you to get pegboards tonight but I'll settle for helping someone here instead if you'll allow that.

Sounds good on the errands.

As far as masks though, I’ll continue to cover my mouth if I sneeze or cough as I was taught as a young lad. To be MANDATED by our mother government to wear a filter in case I can not control my own bodily functions should also REQUIRE every human to wear diapers, just in case they **** themselves around me. I could slip in it, fall and die.

It just frightens me beyond words how fast the sheep are willing to roll over for something that we are all going to get at some point. Short of locking every human on the planet up in their house for 3 weeks, you will not escape it.


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