Tom-D
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Is this the end of War bird flights?
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flyingcheesehead
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Oh, that could be bad...
And no manipulation of the flight controls and no aerobatics. That P-51 ride's gonna be a lot more boring than it used to be.
And no manipulation of the flight controls and no aerobatics. That P-51 ride's gonna be a lot more boring than it used to be.
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I wouldn't say it is the end, but it could be alot more difficult. Basically, for the museums that currently offer warbird rides, they are still covered by the exemptions that were already approved and they can still apply for renewal. It sucks for anyone who is currently restoring an old military with the intention of offering rides when the restoration is complete.
I suspect that when the FAA is done re-assessing the warbird flight situation, they will resume offering the exemptions, but there will be a whole lot more hoops to jump through.
I suspect that when the FAA is done re-assessing the warbird flight situation, they will resume offering the exemptions, but there will be a whole lot more hoops to jump through.
RyanShort1
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I don't think that's what this is aimed at. The P-51 ride, if you are an organization member, or a licensed pilot, is still going to likely fall under "flight instruction" or discovery flight rules, if done properly and carefully, with a licensed CFI at the controls. It's the "flight experience" flights that are going to be hurt, like flying in the back seat of the Collings Foundation F-4, etc...Oh, that could be bad...
And no manipulation of the flight controls and no aerobatics. That P-51 ride's gonna be a lot more boring than it used to be.
There may be some political motivation as well, as it's well known in some warbird circumstances that the USAFM and Collings folks don't see eye to eye on things like engines for the F-4.
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Well, they should've made it a moratorium on jet exemptions if that was the problem... But they did it to everybody.
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In a way, it is better that they didn't. There is probably enough desire in the aviation community and in the public eye to continue allowing warbird flights that this measure can be effectively fought.
If it was "only" a jet moratorium, there wouldn't be enough political mass to put up any kind of fight, and we'd be certain to lose that portion of the warbird movement to divide and conquer tactics.
wsuffa
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Doesn't sound that way to me. Sounds more like they're afraid someone might get hurt, so the government needs to jump in advance and choke it with more regulation. The timetable is 18 months, and I'd be willing to bet that it drags on for years.
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Is paid for "flight instruction" given to non-owners allowed in the "experimental-exhibition"?
flyingcheesehead
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IIRC, you can charge for the flight instruction, but the airplane has to be "free." So, I can give you instruction in my P-51, and I won't charge you to rent the P-51, but my instruction is gonna cost you $3,000/hr.
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IIRC, you can charge for the flight instruction, but the airplane has to be "free." So, I can give you instruction in my P-51, and I won't charge you to rent the P-51, but my instruction is gonna cost you $3,000/hr.
And when the time life components are use up, you can throw the P-51 away, and not expect to get any other approved.
Remember all these war birds are flying on Exp. certificates.
read FAR 21.17 (2)-(b)
Thinking that your P-51 Does not meet any of the conditions the FAA wants you to meet.
try beating your head on a wall, you'll have better success.
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They are not all experimental - Can't speak for P-51s, but many of the bombers have restricted or limited airworthiness certificates.
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To understand what they can and can't do, you must read their letter of limitations. Which gives the restrictions and what limits their airworthiness.
I know the AD-1 I was assiocated with was for exibition only, no pax, no cross countris with out a flight permit. and several other very restrictive conditions.
ya gotta read the letter.