iPad vs. Nexus 7

Heh... I wonder how much cheaper Blendtec blenders would be if they didn't spend so much of their profits destroying expensive stuff? Ah well, it's worth it. Kinda like how I don't mind my entire tax bill going towards an F-16 go-around, as long as I get to watch. :D

Looks like the Kindle Fire HD was reduced to powder pretty quick, while the iPad had the biggest pieces for longest... But they're all reduced to powder! I sure wouldn't want to be the host, breathing in gadget-powder all the time, that can't be good for you!

Chinese gadget-powder, no less!
 
FWIW, I'm a beginning-level student, and I'm not ready to bring any of these into the cockpit yet, but I've been following this discussion with interest... I'm a really big fan of large screens, and I've never had any interest in the 7 inch tablet market. I've got my 3rd Generation iPad, and that's always been perfect for me. If I set my iPad on my knee, it seems to fit fine, but that's sitting in my office chair - which is considerably less cramped than a 172.

Anyway, the real point of this post is to get thoughts on the difference between 10 and 7 inch tablets - is a 10 inch really too big for a kneeboard? Is a 7 inch big enough for in-flight use (moving map sectionals)? I got to thinking about it after reading this: http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/AVwebInsider_iPadMIni_207752-1.html

I have access to a Samsung Galaxy Tab2 as well... but I don't really want to spend money on kneeboards for both of them - any idea for a temporary (1 or 2 flight) method of testing them out?
 
I have both, an iPad and a Nexus 7. I have mounted both in the cockpit of a Bonanza in various configurations (yoke, center, floor mount, etc.) I find the iPad too big for my liking. It either hides something behind it or makes it difficult to grasp a control. The 7 inch is much better, but I do miss the larger screen size, the trade off is worth it. The mini aspect ratio should be a nice compromise, although I don't have any experience with it.

edit: I use a paper knee board, so I do not have any feedback about knee board/electronic use.

FWIW, I'm a beginning-level student, and I'm not ready to bring any of these into the cockpit yet, but I've been following this discussion with interest... I'm a really big fan of large screens, and I've never had any interest in the 7 inch tablet market. I've got my 3rd Generation iPad, and that's always been perfect for me. If I set my iPad on my knee, it seems to fit fine, but that's sitting in my office chair - which is considerably less cramped than a 172.

Anyway, the real point of this post is to get thoughts on the difference between 10 and 7 inch tablets - is a 10 inch really too big for a kneeboard? Is a 7 inch big enough for in-flight use (moving map sectionals)? I got to thinking about it after reading this: http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/AVwebInsider_iPadMIni_207752-1.html

I have access to a Samsung Galaxy Tab2 as well... but I don't really want to spend money on kneeboards for both of them - any idea for a temporary (1 or 2 flight) method of testing them out?
 
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FWIW, I'm a beginning-level student, and I'm not ready to bring any of these into the cockpit yet, but I've been following this discussion with interest... I'm a really big fan of large screens, and I've never had any interest in the 7 inch tablet market. I've got my 3rd Generation iPad, and that's always been perfect for me. If I set my iPad on my knee, it seems to fit fine, but that's sitting in my office chair - which is considerably less cramped than a 172.

Anyway, the real point of this post is to get thoughts on the difference between 10 and 7 inch tablets - is a 10 inch really too big for a kneeboard? Is a 7 inch big enough for in-flight use (moving map sectionals)? I got to thinking about it after reading this: http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/AVwebInsider_iPadMIni_207752-1.html

I have access to a Samsung Galaxy Tab2 as well... but I don't really want to spend money on kneeboards for both of them - any idea for a temporary (1 or 2 flight) method of testing them out?

I flew with the 10" iPad for almost two years, and it drove us nuts to the point where we eventually just kept it stowed in the seat back. It's just too big for use in our Piper Pathfinder (Cherokee 235) without either going on a knee, or blocking the panel.

The Nexus 7 nestles perfectly between the handles of the yoke, no muss, no fuss. And with our quick-release RAM mount, it easily comes out so that we can use it at our destination for other things.

I've never found it to be too small. Heck, compared to the Lowrance Air map 2000c it replaced on the yoke, the N7's screen is ginormous.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
 
Love the iPad and ForeFlight for flight planning, and the Nexus 7 as the cockpit display. What I want is an iPad 4 for flight planning that shrinks to a Mini for flight, then expands back to a full-size tablet at my destination!

I'd REALLY like ForeFlight on my Nexus 7!
 
Love the iPad and ForeFlight for flight planning, and the Nexus 7 as the cockpit display. What I want is an iPad 4 for flight planning that shrinks to a Mini for flight, then expands back to a full-size tablet at my destination!

I'd REALLY like ForeFlight on my Nexus 7!

Well, you could get an iPad Mini... ;)
 
Nope...they blew the Mini, IMHO. Less capability than a Nexus for way more money. Heck, every smartphone has a GPS these days. What was Apple thinking?

Meh... I'd get the 4G version with the GPS anyway, since I like to have data access all the time worry-free. Otherwise, the Stratus would take care of it in the plane anyway.

Where they lost me is the non-Retina display. My phone's had it for over a year, my laptop has it, I'm kinda used to the amazing crispness. I'm sure next year's Mini will have one, but I kinda need a new iPad now, not next year (I still have the original). I'm also not sure the A5 processor is gonna keep me happy as long as I'd like the device to last.

As soon as I convince myself that I'll be able to see what I want to see in the right seat of the Mooney with the full-size iPad, I'll pick one up.
 
Nope...they blew the Mini, IMHO. Less capability than a Nexus for way more money. Heck, every smartphone has a GPS these days. What was Apple thinking?

I agree. I had to buy the cellular iPad just so I could get a GPS, which always irked me.

Apple is like the car manufacturers used to be: "Oh, you want air conditioning? You'll have to buy electric windows."

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
 
I just got a Nexus 7. Love it so far. The internal GPS didn't work so well in my flight today though so I ordered a Dual Electronics GPS off Amazon for $95.

I want to know what apps and accessories you all use as well. I am using the Garmin Pilot trial. Also, where can I get a yoke mount?
 
flyingcheesehead;1hotspot said:
Meh... I'd get the 4G version with the GPS anyway, since I like to have data access all the time worry-free. Otherwise, the Stratus would take care of it in the plane anyway.

Where they lost me is the non-Retina display. My phone's had it for over a year, my laptop has it, I'm kinda used to the amazing crispness. I'm sure next year's Mini will have one, but I kinda need a new iPad now, not next year (I still have the original). I'm also not sure the A5 processor is gonna keep me happy as long as I'd like the device to last.

As soon as I convince myself that I'll be able to see what I want to see in the right seat of the Mooney with the full-size iPad, I'll pick one up.

My phone is an excellent hotspot that has been upgraded in speed since I got my iPad. Cheaper to upgrade phone with new speeds than iPad.

Also concur on processor. Mini is no upgrade from my iPad2. Just another factor in my decision to ignore the Mini.
 
I just got a Nexus 7. Love it so far. The internal GPS didn't work so well in my flight today though so I ordered a Dual Electronics GPS off Amazon for $95.

I want to know what apps and accessories you all use as well. I am using the Garmin Pilot trial. Also, where can I get a yoke mount?

RAM makes them. Somewhere in this thread someone posted links.
 
I just got a Nexus 7. Love it so far. The internal GPS didn't work so well in my flight today though so I ordered a Dual Electronics GPS off Amazon for $95.

I have a problem where I lose GPS signal while I'm flying, as well. It doesn't always happen, though; typically only when I need to know where I am :) I just figured it was my case.

The only problem I have with getting an external GPS is a concern about keeping them both charged (I could use a splitter, I suppose).

Let us know how the GPS works.
 
I have a problem where I lose GPS signal while I'm flying, as well. It doesn't always happen, though; typically only when I need to know where I am :) I just figured it was my case.

The only problem I have with getting an external GPS is a concern about keeping them both charged (I could use a splitter, I suppose).

Let us know how the GPS works.

If you're referring to when Garmin Pilot loses track of where it is, that's perhaps not a GPS problem, but an app problem. I've got the GDL-39, which is a standalone GPS (and ADS-B receiver), and Garmin Pilot would occasionally lose position.

This problem seems to have been addressed in the last update.

As for the N7's GPS, it is remarkably sensitive. It can obtain a lock in my living room -- something none of my other GPSs can do.
 
If you're referring to when Garmin Pilot loses track of where it is, that's perhaps not a GPS problem, but an app problem. I've got the GDL-39, which is a standalone GPS (and ADS-B receiver), and Garmin Pilot would occasionally lose position.

This problem seems to have been addressed in the last update.

As for the N7's GPS, it is remarkably sensitive. It can obtain a lock in my living room -- something none of my other GPSs can do.

I actually lose it in Naviator ("No GPS" message sporadically) more than Garmin Pilot, but it's happened in both. I'm not using it for more than just a quick position reference anyways, so it's not a huge deal.

I tend to use Naviator more to record my flight track -- I'm hoping that Garmin introduces that feature soon.
 
I actually lose it in Naviator ("No GPS" message sporadically) more than Garmin Pilot, but it's happened in both. I'm not using it for more than just a quick position reference anyways, so it's not a huge deal.

I tend to use Naviator more to record my flight track -- I'm hoping that Garmin introduces that feature soon.

I want "Track Up"!
 
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As soon as I convince myself that I'll be able to see what I want to see in the right seat of the Mooney with the full-size iPad, I'll pick one up.

No problem, just put the iPad right in the front of the copilot, and always fly under an overcast to keep it from overheating:

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What could go wrong?
 
Do commercial airlines allow pax to use the Nexus 7 in flight? Does it have to be in some kind of 'airplane mode'?
 
Do commercial airlines allow pax to use the Nexus 7 in flight? Does it have to be in some kind of 'airplane mode'?

It does have an airplane mode -- It's really no different from a phone, feature wise, except that it doesn't provide voice service.

They're "allowed" with the caveats that you must disable the "wireless features."
 
It does have an airplane mode -- It's really no different from a phone, feature wise, except that it doesn't provide voice service.

They're "allowed" with the caveats that you must disable the "wireless features."


Does that also disable the GPS?
 
Cool - so you really don't lose anything in airplane mode that you'd have any need of anyway.
 
With the latest updates your a status bar swipe away from airplane mode on/off.
 
Has any one used the free sectionals from FAA. with the Nexus7 they are large files
 
If you're using the chartbundle stuff for moving map on Android I'd recommend checking out OruxMaps or Locus Pro(or Free) as those are the two I test on.

I'm also working on making automatic updates easier,(basically you subscribe to a set of charts/plates/afd and you get a custom URL you can download just your charts for every cycle) but I expect that won't be available until next year.
 
If you're using the chartbundle stuff for moving map on Android I'd recommend checking out OruxMaps or Locus Pro(or Free) as those are the two I test on.

I'm also working on making automatic updates easier,(basically you subscribe to a set of charts/plates/afd and you get a custom URL you can download just your charts for every cycle) but I expect that won't be available until next year.


I have a moving map gps easy to use,... a Garmin 196, I do not like to throw things out. I want a chart/sectional viewer first to have EFB. If it should meet that mission, I then might consider further complications. The question is how do the sectional look, can you zoom enough to read the fine print.
 
Merry Christmas, y'all!

In my tryptophan/egg nog-induced post Xmas-eve dinner stupor, I realized that today marks 5 months with the Asus Nexus 7 tablet. Thus, I thought I'd give you guys an update on this remarkable device.

After our frustrating experience with the iPad, and the slow entry of Android into the market, I had given up on tablets. The iPad had been relegated to the plane's seat back, only used for sectional maps, and we were happy with our Android smartphones for daily use.

However, with OSH '12 fast approaching, and rumors of a new Super Android Tablet in a 7" form factor swirling around the internet, I started to regain hope. The death of Lowrance Airmap 2000's database support made me start looking for a replacement, and I realized that a 7" tablet would fit neatly in its place on the yoke.

And then I saw it at Sam's Club. Almost on a whim, I bought it, becoming a very early adapter of the 16GB Nexus 7 -- something I try to avoid. The $225 price made it easy to jump on board, however.

It would be no exaggeration to say that the N7 truly changed my world. Almost immediately, it began to go everywhere with me, simply because it easily slipped into the cargo pockets of my khaki pants.

The form factor was perfect. The right size for one-handed use, and a gorgeous screen coupled with a quad-core Nvidia (think: graphics) processor made for buttery smooth...everything. It quickly supplanted my cell phone for photos and videos, and blew all printed material out of my home.

The Android OS is SO wonderfully apaptable. Unlike Apple's "my way or no way" attitude, Android can be configured and modified in seemingly limitless ways. If you don't like it a certain way, you can change it -- and that suits me.

You would think after five months the shine might be off the apple (lol!), but nope -- we just keep finding new things to do with it. These include:

- Garmin Pilot. This app gets better with each update, and does things my old Lowrance could never do.

- Packer games. Every Sunday we toddle to our local Packer pub (yep, they even have them on islands!) where I fire up the Packer App. This amazing app gives me everything you could ever want to know about the game, the teams you're watching, every statistic, etc. When I first brought it out, some of the regulars made fun of me. Now, they ask me for statistics, schedules, records, etc. It's a lot of fun.

- Surveillance. When we were in Iowa I could access all 8 of our security cameras at the hotel.

- Emails, Facebook, PofA, magazines, newspapers, breaking news. It's all here, with new apps coming out daily.

- Daily Briefing. Using Google Assistant, I receive a briefing each morning from a woman who sounds just like Kate Beckinsale. She tells me the day, date, what's on my calendar, weather, weather forecast, and the top headlines.

- Google+. We make "hangouts" with our kids, and video-phone with them. It's so much easier using the Nexus 7 instead of our laptops.

- Books. The N7 is basically a super Kindle, so I've downloaded dozens of books in the last 5 months.

- Music. The N7 is an integral component of our stereo system, both at home and at the hangar, streaming all of our music via Bluetooth.

The list goes on and on. I play chess against it. I use it as a standalone GPS in the car. I use it to find constellations in the sky. I use it to jot myself notes.

Physically, the unit has been flawless. After 150 days of daily use, I still don't have a cover on it. I don't even use a screen protector, and the gorilla glass remains scratch-free. My wife and daughter have Nexus 7s, too, and they have been equally tough -- although they favor keeping them in stylish portfolio carrying cases in their purses.

I still get over 12 hours on the battery in regular daily use. (Much less when used as a GPS or streaming video player, of course.). If only my 4G cell phone was so good!

So, to sum up, we could not be happier with the Nexus 7. If it ever breaks, I will buy another one, same day. I'm not sure if I would know how to structure a day without one anymore!:D
 
I remain equally enamoured with my Nexus 7 and my new iPad4 Retina. The iPad Retina is just a tad better than the Nexus in display we quality. I did pick up my first screen ding on the Nexus just today when it slipped out of the breast pocket of my jacket landing face down on a tile floor. Not horrible but still frustrating.

ForeFlight will keep me in an iPad for the foreseeable future. They steadfastly refuse to develop for Android. Garmin Pilot is usable, but not nearly as user friendly as FF.

Nexus is a good great take-along device and goes with me everywhere, but iPad is better magazine reader and browser (although I am on the Nexus now!)

Definitely more bang for the buck with Nexus.
 
I remain equally enamoured with my Nexus 7 and my new iPad4 Retina. The iPad Retina is just a tad better than the Nexus in display we quality. I did pick up my first screen ding on the Nexus just today when it slipped out of the breast pocket of my jacket landing face down on a tile floor. Not horrible but still frustrating.

ForeFlight will keep me in an iPad for the foreseeable future. They steadfastly refuse to develop for Android. Garmin Pilot is usable, but not nearly as user friendly as FF.

Nexus is a good great take-along device and goes with me everywhere, but iPad is better magazine reader and browser (although I am on the Nexus now!)

Definitely more bang for the buck with Nexus.

I often wonder why Foreflight refuses to make an Android version. With Android the most popular mobile OS in the world, it's only a matter of time before they become the dominant tablet.

Seems pretty short-sighted. :dunno:

In the meantime, Garmin Pilot works great. :)
 
I often wonder why Foreflight refuses to make an Android version. With Android the most popular mobile OS in the world, it's only a matter of time before they become the dominant tablet.

Seems pretty short-sighted. :dunno:

In the meantime, Garmin Pilot works great. :)

What I have read is ForeFlight feels there are too many quirks to Android in its many versions. Since it is an open system, what works on one device may or may not work on another. ForeFlight on Android 4.2 on an Asus device like the Nexus 7 might not work on a Samsung Galaxy II or III with their slightly different 4.2 implementations. Apple OTOH maintains consistency across devices making it easier to develop apps for universal use across Apple platforms. Since ForeFlight is a relatively small outfit, it seems they don't want to chase Android variations. Fielding complaints as to why FF works on my Nexus 7 but not on my Samsung, Sony or whatever might not be something they want to deal with. Garmin, OTOH probably has the resources to handle various Androids

FF may be forced into adapting to Android eventually but since they seem to be doing OK tied to Apple, it may take a while.

That said, you pays your money and you takes your choice. Nexus, Kindle, Nook are all excellent devices as are Apple iThingys. I have some of each for various purposes and find Apple the best all around but the others are fine as well. I am willing to pay the premium today but YMMV.

Cheers
 
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