iPad vs. Nexus 7

Mafoo said:
It's called using logic and reason without emotional attachment. You should try it sometime :)
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No emotion involved at all. I'm looking at cold, hard, side-by-side comparisons that show the facts. I've owned both the iPad (for two years), and the Nexus 7 was so clearly superior that I sold the iPad after just two weeks.

Same with the iPhone 5, which is clearly inferior to the Samsung Galaxy S3. Look at the charts, do some real-world comparisons, and get back to me when you've got something other than opinion.
Sent from my Nexus 7
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Loren,

An honest question for you and Jay - Do you mount the Nexus in portrait (vertical) or landscape (horizontal) orientation in the cockpit?.
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Portrait, always. It yoke mounts perfectly.

Landscape (ala the Garmin 496) doesn't makes any sense in an aviation moving map display.
Sent from my Nexus 7
 
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Jay Honeck said:
Same with the iPhone 5, which is clearly inferior to the Samsung Galaxy S3. Look at the charts, do some real-world comparisons, and get back to me when you've got something other than opinion.
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More bantering there champ? I take it you own a Galaxy 3?

It appears those "in the know" don't see it so clearly....

Sent from my plain ol' MacBook Pro, while sitting in my plain ol' chair watching Atlanta give Denver a plain ol' beatdown.....


http://www.stuff.tv/news/apple-news/versus/apple-iphone-5-vs-samsung-galaxy-s3

http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2012/09/17/iphone-5-and-samsung-galaxy-s3-in-ios-vs-android-showdown/
 
Joe_KansasCity said:
More bantering there champ? I take it you own a Galaxy 3?

It appears those "in the know" don't see it so clearly....

Sent from my plain ol' MacBook Pro, while sitting in my plain ol' chair watching Atlanta give Denver a plain ol' beatdown.....


http://www.stuff.tv/news/apple-news/versus/apple-iphone-5-vs-samsung-galaxy-s3

http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2012/09/17/iphone-5-and-samsung-galaxy-s3-in-ios-vs-android-showdown/
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Swing...and a miss. What kind of plane do you fly again? :rolleyes:

Both of those links are nothing but Apple advertisements. See my side by side comparo chart, posted a hundred pages ago, for an accurate, unbiased comparison.

Edit: Here it is for you, with side-by-side comparisons for you:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/12/iphone-5-vs-galaxy-s3-vs-iphone-4s_n_1878666.html
Sent from my Nexus 7
 
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Joe_KansasCity said:
More bantering there champ? I take it you own a Galaxy 3?

It appears those "in the know" don't see it so clearly....

Sent from my plain ol' MacBook Pro, while sitting in my plain ol' chair watching Atlanta give Denver a plain ol' beatdown.....


http://www.stuff.tv/news/apple-news/versus/apple-iphone-5-vs-samsung-galaxy-s3

http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2012/09/17/iphone-5-and-samsung-galaxy-s3-in-ios-vs-android-showdown/
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Hmmm...after reading that I wanted the Galaxy!
 
Jay Honeck said:
Swing...and a miss. What kind of plane do you fly again? :rolleyes:
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Why do you ask? Another "Bantering" subject?? How about you guess, and I'll tell you if your warm or cold? That way we can drag this out for days. :goofy:


Jay Honeck said:
Both of those links are nothing but Apple advertisements. See my side by side comparo chart, posted a hundred pages ago, for an accurate, unbiased comparison.

Edit: Here it is for you, with side-by-side comparisons for you:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/12/iphone-5-vs-galaxy-s3-vs-iphone-4s_n_1878666.html
Sent from my Nexus 7
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Well there you go... Let's use your unbiased nonsense, since my unbiased nonsense is not to your liking. Exactly how many of those features are critical to your personal satisfaction? Or is this just a ****ing contest over pixels, GBs and grams. Based on grams, it looks like the iPhone 5 wins...or is heavier better? :confused:

I think I'll just keep my old dinosaur iPhone that works every day, has everything I need, and interacts with everything at home and the office.

Sent from my easy-chair while drinking a diet Pepsi
 
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Jay Honeck said:
Same with the iPhone 5, which is clearly inferior to the Samsung Galaxy S3. Look at the charts, do some real-world comparisons, and get back to me when you've got something other than opinion.
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So you have used the iPhone 5 already? Otherwise, how do you know it's clearly inferior?

You ask me to use real wold comparisons, and in the same statement rattle off some opinion with absolutely no facts behind it.

This debating thing... you suck at it :)
 
Mafoo said:
So you have used the iPhone 5 already? Otherwise, how do you know it's clearly inferior?

You ask me to use real wold comparisons, and in the same statement rattle off some opinion with absolutely no facts behind it.

This debating thing... you suck at it :)
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And you support the iPhone5 without ever having touched it? Jeepers, at least I provide links! lol!

Seriously, I don't think it matters which phone is better. Apple is a marketing genius, as shown by the iPhone5 being the hottest selling Apple phone in history.

Sent from my Nexus 7
 
Mafoo said:
So you have used the iPhone 5 already? Otherwise, how do you know it's clearly inferior?

You ask me to use real wold comparisons, and in the same statement rattle off some opinion with absolutely no facts behind it.

This debating thing... you suck at it :)
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Every iPhone is almost identical to previous one. There's one thing that binds (and ruins) them, is iOS. So, in a way, with iDevices, you use one, you use them all.

I think of iOS as communism, and Android as a capitalism.

In communism, government provides you everything. A job, an apartment, even your hobbies. And you cannot go around it, because government is all powerful, it likes it's power and it won't let you have any. This is virtually identical with Apple's hold over iOS. Can't do anything that Apple does not want you to do. They provide you with certain tools, and you must use them, and can't go anywhere else.

In capitalism, you make your own destiny. You can succeed, you can fail. And you have choices. You can pick where you live, where you work, what you do for fun. Same with Android. It's open, you can do anything you please. But you have to pay to play. Good android devices cost more. Crappy ones are released by fake item factories out of China daily.

Edit: To clarify, I actually lived in a communist country (Soviet Union), so I know how things run under communism.
 
I am awaiting my Nexus 7. I bought it because it provided a better value for what I want to do than any model of iPad. I'm going to use it almost entirely for aviation, and to let my daughter play Angry Birds and other games on road trips. I got the 16 GB model.

I am a geek, and I tend to prefer products that let me get at their guts and do it MY way (even if that takes a little extra effort). So I've always been happier with products other than Apple. Even when I was in the music industry, where Apple pretty much IS the platform for sequencers and ProTools and such, I didn't like them that much. But I understand why they're popular. As an engineer, I want to master my tool, including taking it apart and tweaking it. For most of the folks who used Apple gear, they were focused on their work product (the song, the mix, the video), and all they cared about the tool was that it could alter their product in the way they wanted. And the various software does that very well. And Apple's control over the platform makes it easier to make that sort of software stable.

So I respect the Apple philosophy. Mine's different. Mine's better, FOR ME.

Anyway, I'm going to start another thread on Android EFBs, and I hope that it will remain free of Apple/Android wars. This thread IS a "versus" thread so nobody should be surprised at the tone it's taken at times.
 
Meanee said:
Every iPhone is almost identical to previous one. There's one thing that binds (and ruins) them, is iOS. So, in a way, with iDevices, you use one, you use them all.

I think of iOS as communism, and Android as a capitalism.

In communism, government provides you everything. A job, an apartment, even your hobbies. And you cannot go around it, because government is all powerful, it likes it's power and it won't let you have any. This is virtually identical with Apple's hold over iOS. Can't do anything that Apple does not want you to do. They provide you with certain tools, and you must use them, and can't go anywhere else.

In capitalism, you make your own destiny. You can succeed, you can fail. And you have choices. You can pick where you live, where you work, what you do for fun. Same with Android. It's open, you can do anything you please. But you have to pay to play. Good android devices cost more. Crappy ones are released by fake item factories out of China daily.

Edit: To clarify, I actually lived in a communist country (Soviet Union), so I know how things run under communism.
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This is a pretty poor analogy. If you want to compare the two companies to a government system, a closer comparison is iOS is a Democracy, and Android is no government at all.

Android you can do anything you like, there are no rules, no governing body to say what you can and can't do.

In iOS, there is structure, and a set of things you can't do, laws you must follow as a developer. But outside of those restrictions, you can do anything you want. You are free to create anything you like, and if you end up making 100 million dollars off of it, you get to still keep your same percentage. They don't just then take your application for themselves. Also when they make a "law" that is unpopular, they change it. (like the dev env issue they had). And lastly, if you don't like the ecosystem as a consumer, you are free to come and go as you please. Not sure that's true in most communist countries.
 
Mafoo said:
Where did I support the iPhone 5? Where?

Man you suck at this :p
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A typical tactic when you have no arrows left in the quiver is to attack the opponent. Its so much easier than actually providing evidence to support your position.

You support the iPhone and Apple by attacking its detractors.

Sent from my Nexus
 
Jay Honeck said:
A typical tactic when you have no arrows left in the quiver is to attack the opponent. Its so much easier than actually providing evidence to support your position.

You support the iPhone and Apple by attacking its detractors.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Ok, now that is the least sensical thing you have said in this entire thread.

Find me ONE post, where I have said anything negative about an Android device. ONE.

I support both. In fact, I have come to the defense of Android several times in this thread when other people have said negative things.

Are you living in the same world as the rest of us? This is why I said you need to start using logic and reason, and remove emotion, because none of it was used in this post of yours.
 
TMetzinger said:
This thread IS a "versus" thread so nobody should be surprised at the tone it's taken at times.
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Well put, Tim. I'm not surprised in the least that this got the hackles up on some Apple supporters -- but I'm always surprised when posters make it more personal. I've seen it happen too often to not expect it but it still baffles me when a comparison becomes heated.

Oh well. Like they say, it takes some nuts to make a good salad -- and we are all nuts, depending on the day! :D

Sent from my Nexus 7
 
Jay Honeck said:
Well put, Tim. I'm not surprised in the least that this got the hackles up on some Apple supporters -- but I'm always surprised when posters make it more personal. I've seen it happen too often to not expect it but it still baffles me when a comparison becomes heated.

Oh well. Like they say, it takes some nuts to make a good salad -- and we are all nuts, depending on the day! :D

Sent from my Nexus 7
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Who's heated? I think it's mostly you and I, and your post make me chuckle. I come back for the humor. I have not be upset once in this thread.

The only person on this site who has ever upset me, is Geico.
 
Mafoo said:
Who's heated? I think it's mostly you and I, and your post make me chuckle. I come back for the humor. I have not be upset once in this thread.

The only person on this site who has ever upset me, is Geico.
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Well, good. We'll just have to shake hands, crack a beer, and agree that the Nexus 7 is the best product ever made. :lol:

Well, okay. We'll just do the first two... :D

Actually, I've got a list of suggestions and frustrations with the N7 to share, just so you know I'm not completely over-the-moon with the thing:

1. Make a damned dock for it already! It's got a 4-pin adaptor on the side that (so far) no one has taken advantage of, to my knowledge. I've got some cheap Chinese dock that works, but it's a PIA to get the USB pin lined up with the hole, which is at the bottom of the unit in portrait mode -- NOT the mode you use when watching a movie. (Which, BTW, I did on the flight home from Reno. With Bluetooth headphones, it was great -- a really nice picture/sound.)

2. Make the frame out of aluminum. Maybe they can't use metal, with NFC (?), but I would prefer a stiffer, stronger frame/bezel around the screen. It feels cheap, and can flex a bit more than I like.

3. Improve the headphone connector. When you physically connect headphones, you have to really push the plug in hard or it won't make a stereo connection. It works, but barely. (I use Bluetooth headphones now, as noted, which neatly solves that problem, but still.)

4. Jelly Bean (the newest version of Android) should allow the home screen to rotate portrait or landscape. There is a nice, free app that fixes that problem, but how dumb can Asus/Google be to need an app for that?

5. Same with the camera. Asus/Google apparently never thought anyone would use the forward facing camera for anything except Skyping, so they didn't include a camera app. It's free in the app store, but d'oh! It's nice to be able to take a picture with the unit, even if it's only forward-facing.

These are minor nits, to be sure, but the N7 is not perfect, yet. It's as close as any tablet has come, though, IMHO.
 
On the screen rotation, I think they should change it so that "Starter" mode puts the home screen in portrait-locked, but when you are in "regular" mode it should pivot.

And yes, a dock would be nice. Something that rotates.
 
Only add the aluminum if it doesn't add weight! I like the lightness of it a lot. With Skype you have to use it horizontally. What's up with that?
 
Jay Honeck said:
Well, good. We'll just have to shake hands, crack a beer, and agree that the Nexus 7 is the best product ever made. :lol:

Well, okay. We'll just do the first two... :D

Actually, I've got a list of suggestions and frustrations with the N7 to share, just so you know I'm not completely over-the-moon with the thing:

1. Make a damned dock for it already! It's got a 4-pin adaptor on the side that (so far) no one has taken advantage of, to my knowledge. I've got some cheap Chinese dock that works, but it's a PIA to get the USB pin lined up with the hole, which is at the bottom of the unit in portrait mode -- NOT the mode you use when watching a movie. (Which, BTW, I did on the flight home from Reno. With Bluetooth headphones, it was great -- a really nice picture/sound.)

2. Make the frame out of aluminum. Maybe they can't use metal, with NFC (?), but I would prefer a stiffer, stronger frame/bezel around the screen. It feels cheap, and can flex a bit more than I like.

3. Improve the headphone connector. When you physically connect headphones, you have to really push the plug in hard or it won't make a stereo connection. It works, but barely. (I use Bluetooth headphones now, as noted, which neatly solves that problem, but still.)

4. Jelly Bean (the newest version of Android) should allow the home screen to rotate portrait or landscape. There is a nice, free app that fixes that problem, but how dumb can Asus/Google be to need an app for that?

5. Same with the camera. Asus/Google apparently never thought anyone would use the forward facing camera for anything except Skyping, so they didn't include a camera app. It's free in the app store, but d'oh! It's nice to be able to take a picture with the unit, even if it's only forward-facing.

These are minor nits, to be sure, but the N7 is not perfect, yet. It's as close as any tablet has come, though, IMHO.
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Hey, if I am ever in South Texas, I will come hang with you, and we can get drunk, call each other idiots, and laugh all night long :)

As for your list:

1. With the Nexus 7 selling as much as it is, I am sure people will start making accessories for it. No other android tablet, except the Kindle Fire if you want to call that an android tablet, has sold well. The other problem, as the Amazon just proved, is when the next one comes out, there is a very small chance that any docks will work. This greatly lowers the market for the doc manufacturers. I suspect the N7 will get some soon.

2. GOOD plastic, is better then metal. When you drop it, that energy had to go somewhere. I would rather it go into the frame, then the screen or circuit board. I have only used the Nexus for a few hours, but it didn't feel cheap to me. The iPad looks very nice with it being all metal, but if they had a high quality plastic option, I would take that over the looks. I am a function over form kind of guy :)

3. Yep.

4. Not sure if you remember who suggested that rotation app to you, but it was me :). I agree the option should be built in. My guess is it will at some point.

5. My guess is the reason they made that choice, is only having a forward camera sucks for taking photos. Whenever you include an app, people want to play with it. To add it, would be to invite everyone using the tablet to recognize it's not goot at taking photos. No one wants to promote there weaknesses.

Glad you enjoy your Nexus. It's a great tablet.
 
Hey, if I am ever in South Texas, I will come hang with you, and we can get drunk, call each other idiots, and laugh all night long :)
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Sounds like my kind of party! :lol:

4. Not sure if you remember who suggested that rotation app to you, but it was me :). I agree the option should be built in. My guess is it will at some point.
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Right! Well, to be fair, you, and about three dozen guys over on the Android Forums. :wink2:

Anyway, I'll bet the next update will include a fix for the rotation glitch. Amazingly, there have been NO updates to the Nexus 7 (that I know about, anyway) or Jelly Bean yet. That's the sign of a good, robust system, IMHO.
 
Finally got by Wally World to pick up a Nexus 7. They had a case full of 'em.

Now if I could just find some Nexus 7 content here...
 
Jay Honeck said:
Portrait, always. It yoke mounts perfectly.

Landscape (ala the Garmin 496) doesn't makes any sense in an aviation moving map display.
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Jay,

Why do you say that? It seems that not only are most of the aviation handhelds locked into landscape, but practically all of the panel mount gear as well.

I prefer portrait with the iPad for a few reasons:

1) It's way too big to mount in landscape orientation.
2) It's perfect for approach plates, which were the initial reason I bought the iPad for use in the cockpit.
3) It gives a better presentation of the map + nav log + GPS info and such, leaving a square-ish piece of the screen for the map.

Now that I think about it, though, most of the panel-mount gear puts extra info on one or both sides of their landscape screen, with a similar square-ish map area in the rest. Hmmm.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Why do you say that? It seems that not only are most of the aviation handhelds locked into landscape, but practically all of the panel mount gear as well.
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This was one of the things I disliked about the 496, back in '08 (or whatever year it came out) -- being locked in landscape mode. IMHO, especially when you're flying (and scooting over the ground pretty quickly) it's best to see farther ahead, rather than farther to the side. Landscape mode gives you an extended view laterally, which is of less interest to me when flying.

As an alternative example, the Lowrance Airmap 2000c is locked in portrait mode, which (again, IMHO) gave one a better view of the airspace ahead. This (and the fact that it fits perfectly between the yokes) is why I fly with the Nexus 7 in portrait mode. I flew with the iPad that way, too.
 
Papa Foxtrot said:
Finally got by Wally World to pick up a Nexus 7. They had a case full of 'em.

Now if I could just find some Nexus 7 content here...
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Sweet! Sounds like production has finally caught up with supply, although two weeks ago I had to hit three stores before finding one.

Check the unit over carefully for "screen rise", a problem where the screen is above (or popping out of) the aluminum-colored plastic bezel. I've not seen one, but I've read enough complaints about it over on the Android forums to know that it's an annoying problem that has plagued a small percentage of N7s.

I'm thinking of buying another one -- this time for my son who is away at college. We would then have a Family Foursome of N7s... :D

There are three apps you should download from the Play Store immediately:

1. Ultimate Rotation Control - resolves the locked-in-portrait home screen, allowing you to rotate it as needed.

2. Camera App for Nexus 7 -- gives you control over the camera.

3. Advanced Task Killer -- lets you close multiple open apps with a push button.

After those three, it's all fun and games. Facebook, Gmail, Twitter, Tapatalk (for this forum) -- it's all there, for free, at the Play Store. Have fun!
 
Jay Honeck said:
This was one of the things I disliked about the 496, back in '08 (or whatever year it came out) -- being locked in landscape mode. IMHO, especially when you're flying (and scooting over the ground pretty quickly) it's best to see farther ahead, rather than farther to the side. Landscape mode gives you an extended view laterally, which is of less interest to me when flying.

As an alternative example, the Lowrance Airmap 2000c is locked in portrait mode, which (again, IMHO) gave one a better view of the airspace ahead. This (and the fact that it fits perfectly between the yokes) is why I fly with the Nexus 7 in portrait mode. I flew with the iPad that way, too.
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Aha! You're a track-up guy, aren't you? I fly north-up, and most of my flying is more east-west than north-south, so I usually want my display wider instead of taller.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Aha! You're a track-up guy, aren't you? I fly north-up, and most of my flying is more east-west than north-south, so I usually want my display wider instead of taller.
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Interesting. With the "stuff" in Foreflight on top and bottom, I'm a north-up guy too, but need portrait to leave room for the NavLog and HUD. I don't like sliding them in and out. ;)
 
Jay Honeck said:
Sweet! Sounds like production has finally caught up with supply, although two weeks ago I had to hit three stores before finding one.

Check the unit over carefully for "screen rise", a problem where the screen is above (or popping out of) the aluminum-colored plastic bezel. I've not seen one, but I've read enough complaints about it over on the Android forums to know that it's an annoying problem that has plagued a small percentage of N7s.
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No problem here.

There are three apps you should download from the Play Store immediately:

1. Ultimate Rotation Control - resolves the locked-in-portrait home screen, allowing you to rotate it as needed.

2. Camera App for Nexus 7 -- gives you control over the camera.

3. Advanced Task Killer -- lets you close multiple open apps with a push button.

After those three, it's all fun and games. Facebook, Gmail, Twitter, Tapatalk (for this forum) -- it's all there, for free, at the Play Store. Have fun!
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No - for me it will be:

1. Root
2. Wipe and install CM10
3. Install Titanium Backup
4. Restore app's from my Kindle Fire

Not my first rodeo :)
 
Papa Foxtrot said:
No problem here.

No - for me it will be:

1. Root
2. Wipe and install CM10
3. Install Titanium Backup
4. Restore app's from my Kindle Fire

Not my first rodeo :)
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I've considered rooting the N7, but can't find a big enough upside. YMMV.

Sent from my Nexus 7
 
Jay Honeck said:
I've considered rooting the N7, but can't find a big enough upside. YMMV.
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I've had three Android phones and three tablets now. I'll never go back to a stock image. The biggest upside is the ability to backup/restore your entire tablet with a recovery utility. On second thought, the biggest upside is Titanium Backup - best Android App ever.
 
Hmm... I'd be a lot more comfortable Rooting the Nexus 7, since I'm not dependent on a carrier the way I would be for a phone. As long as all the apps work, I really don't care.
 
BTW, I used Garmin Pilot and the Nexus 7 in the airliner to Reno. Saw 550 knots groundspeed... :D

Sent from my Nexus 7
 
Neal Howard said:
Just make sure you ration that amount of tequila Jay gets his hands on or else he's worthless for most of the next day.
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What goes at Oshkosh, stays at Oshkosh. ;)

NWS issued a frost warning for Oshkosh tonight. I still have my stupid NWS alert app set to alert from there from the show, apparently. Haha.
 
Papa Foxtrot said:
Finally got by Wally World to pick up a Nexus 7. They had a case full of 'em.

Now if I could just find some Nexus 7 content here...
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Hey, be glad you got one! Quality content is much harder to come by.

Flew today with one of my new students who I had shown the Nexus to last Friday. Today he was sporting his new Nexus from Wally World. I think that's the sixth one I've sold. I should just start stocking them.
 
Neal Howard said:
Just make sure you ration that amount of tequila Jay gets his hands on or else he's worthless for most of the next day.
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Heh. Kim took us to a party in Reno with margaritas. Lots and lots of margaritas -- and Mai Thais. They were...delicious...especially after a long, hot day in the sun.

Even though it was hot, and they were cold, I suddenly had this horrible, awful flashback to Oshkosh. There I was, in my vision, the day after Grant's party, laying facedown under the wing of my plane, head throbbing, stomach churning, in a puddle of my own sweat, praying for death, cursing the day Grant was born.

I only had two. :D
 
LDJones said:
Flew today with one of my new students who I had shown the Nexus to last Friday. Today he was sporting his new Nexus from Wally World. I think that's the sixth one I've sold. I should just start stocking them.
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And...welcome to post #600 in this thread! Wow!

Anyway, you've got a GREAT idea, there. It seems like you could charge a nominal fee to sell them and provide pilots with tutorials.

I wonder how much Wally World makes on each one of those babies?
 
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