Internet TV....don't want dish or cable. What's the haps?

I want to do this to, but I need my sports. What's the best option to keep getting ABC/ESPN, Fox, CBS, and NBC sports? Currently a Dish subscriber and have a Roku at a second home.
I get all of those for free, completely legally. I have the ESPN3 plug in and NBC Sports plug in installed and they stream live. I watched the NASCAR race this weekend.

Osmc.
 
Here is my setup:

Raspberry Pi 3. Go to osmc.tv and download the image which you burn onto an SD card. very easy setup.

Once installed, add the fusion repo by adding http://fusion.tvaddons.ag to your sources. Then, choose the "add on installer" and use it to install Exodus.

Then search for whatever you want and enjoy. If you have a trakt.tv account, sync it to keep your library up to date (optional and not necessary).

I bought a cheapo remote control to control it, but the pi3 supports HDMI remote control which uses your TV remote natively.
 
Fyi, shows worth watching, all in my trakt.tv collection at the moment:

Westwood
Humans (season 2)
The Daily Show
Last Week Tonight
Big Bang Theory

All in stunning HD. all free.
 
I have no effin clue WTH most of you guys are talking about.Pi, Ruku, Hula....... does anyone speek gringlish round heer? This is gonna be complicated I guess. I do have Prime for the shipping. Never used it for Internet as our Dish connection dumped us for a data limit once we tried.


So If I have Prime now, what easy, simple, plug and play "thing" can I use to get some neat colors on the TV screen. I have a 5 year old Samsung 46" plasma right now.

I'll make things simple for you. Go here, buy the box and sign up for service with 1 click:
https://www.sling.com/devices/roku

Be sure to select "Sling Blue" when you click. $25/month and you have Weather Channel, Nick Jr, Cartoon Network, Nat Geo, and AXS.

If that's not enough and you want PBS, buy this antenna and connect it to your TV. That's $0/month (your tax dollars pay for PBS).
https://www.amazon.com/Mohu-Paper-thin-Reversible-Performance-MH-110584/dp/B00APPDX86

Save your receipts because that antenna might not be powerful enough to pull in your local PBS station, but you didn't provide enough info for me to judge whether or not that's the case.

Adding Discovery is another $40/month so you probably don't want that. To keep things simple, I'll not mention it.
 
Fyi, shows worth watching, all in my trakt.tv collection at the moment:

Westwood
Humans (season 2)
The Daily Show
Last Week Tonight
Big Bang Theory

All in stunning HD. all free.

And about as legal as 7 hours bottle to throttle, clipping a cloud VFR, 900ft over a congested area or landing with 25 minutes of fuel.
 
All you need is a good net connection and maybe an antenna. I'd be ditching cable and/or satellite service.
 
I get all of those for free, completely legally. I have the ESPN3 plug in and NBC Sports plug in installed and they stream live. I watched the NASCAR race this weekend.

Osmc.
Note, the use of these plugins requires either that your ISP participate or you have an existing Cable/Satellite provider account. It's not exactly "free, " but rather it is bundled into some other service you're paying for.
 
Note, the use of these plugins requires either that your ISP participate or you have an existing Cable/Satellite provider account. It's not exactly "free, " but rather it is bundled into some other service you're paying for.
Or in my case, I have an email address that someone who has the service created, and therefore can sign in and use that.
 
Or in my case, I have an email address that someone who has the service created, and therefore can sign in and use that.
Again, if you're willing to break the law and steal content, the world is your oyster. I actually have morals.
 
Note, the use of these plugins requires either that your ISP participate or you have an existing Cable/Satellite provider account. It's not exactly "free, " but rather it is bundled into some other service you're paying for.

That's what I thought. I currently stream to ipad and Roku based on my Dish subscription. Looks like with Sling I can replace Dish and still get the cable sports channels for $40/mo, and then get the broadcast networks OTA.
 
Sling is a good option for standalone service. It's like you had Dish/DirectV or one of the cable providers. You can use the credentials on your account to turn up some of the other direct streams as well (like when NBC was streaming the olympics through their own app on some of the units).

(note that despite the somewhat confusing name, Sling TV is a different thing than the SlingBox).
 
Again, if you're willing to break the law and steal content, the world is your oyster. I actually have morals.

I see nothing in the user agreement that prohibits the creation of a new email account that is used outside the household. also see nothing that says it can't be used to authorize their streaming content.

Swing/miss. but hey, morals are awesome! :thumbsup:
 
I can almost guarantee that the service agreement for your friend's Cable/Satellite whatever specifically states it is for his personal use.
 
Fyi, shows worth watching, all in my trakt.tv collection at the moment:

Westwood
Humans (season 2)
The Daily Show
Last Week Tonight
Big Bang Theory

All in stunning HD. all free.
Well at least you're paying what those are worth.
 
Has anyone wondered what information your Roku, Smart TV, etc. are sending home about you? The question is prompted by an email I got today from Roku about an updated 'privacy and cookies' policy, which is several pages of drivel. Still trying to figure out what exactly they're sending/intercepting.

Jim
Don't know. Don't care.
 
Don't know. Don't care.

Basically everything we do is tracked. Most would be completely shocked at what is floating out there. Axiom is a huge data mining company and that data is for sale to anyone with a check that will clear.

Or, just buy it all off the internet. Spokeo is prolly the biggest.
 
I bought a cheapo remote control to control it, but the pi3 supports HDMI remote control which uses your TV remote natively.

Caution: That part only works if the TV supports HDMI-CEC. Not all do. And some are buggy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Control

CEC combined with Audio Return Channel (ARC) is nifty when it all works. One HDMI cable from a source like a cable box to a stereo/surround setup, and then one cable to the TV. The TV handles timing synchronization of the video and audio and sends it back to the sound system.

The TV remote can then (in theory) also control both the audio system and the source by sending commands to them. Synchronized on/off, volume control, channel changes go back to the source instead of messing with the TV input, etc.

In practice, it "usually" works if all three devices understand the HDMI 1.4 spec. Some areas where it falls apart are in super high fidelity audio from BluRay on the far high end of the market, since not many devices understand those formats. Sending audio through an older TV will drop the multichannel sound and make it stereo or maybe Dolby 5.1. Not the fancy stuff.

So then you're back to running an audio cable (usually optical) from the source (in this case BluRay) to the amplifier and the amp will convert it down to a dumber format for the TV but you'll have the TV speakers off and will listen through the amp. And then you get into decode timing and having to fiddle with delays at each step to get "lip sync" right, again. Which you killed with using ARC.

Anyway ... it's all spiffy stuff but there's a lot of gotchas in doing any sort of complex setup.

I've got lovely old Yamaha gear for my audio but I ran into the problem the ARC is supposed to solve.

Source: Satellite receiver
Standard analog stereo
Samsung TV on wall mounted very flush

Video path: HDMI out of Satellite Receiver to Samsung
Audio Path: Analog audio line level outputs (red and white RCA jacks) from satellite receiver to stereo

Problem: Samsung video is about 100ms behind the audio. The TV takes a little bit of time time process the video and display it.

Okay, simple fix...

Take giant TV off the wall and find analog line level audio output and wire direct to stereo.

First problem. Flush mount. Needed a 90 degree 3.5mm stereo jack to RCA adapter. Done. Put TV back on wall.

Second problem: No left channel. Argh. Stupid 3.5mm plugs. Take TV off wall. Test with three different adapter cables, some not 90 degree. Find out that 3.5mm stereo jack on back of expensive TV doesn't meet spec and can only get two channel audio if you partially unplug the male side.

Arggggh: Put everything back to "works but audio is slightly off mode and ponder...

1. Buy SPDIF (optical) to analog adapter so I can run optical audio out. Measure typical optical connector and probably have to get something fairly low profile to work with flush mount.

2. Buy new amp for stereo system that has ARC and CEC for a nice little "upgrade". Fixes whole problem if it works over existing HDMI cables and moves all sources into the HDMI inputs on the amp, no more multiple HDMI going to the TV.

The latter is what I'm looking at doing right now. Plus being a Yamaha fan who hasn't purchase anything in a very long time, I noticed they dove in hard with WiFi connectivity on their products with their MusicCast stuff which looks to be an excellent way to give Sonos a real run for their money if you're not a fan of their "speakers". Yamaha has full blown surround systems, stereo amps for music-only areas, all in one speakers like Sonos, and few small amps that aren't "audiophile" quality for driving an existing set of speakers, say like, in the garage, or even a box that simply provides a pre-amp level output. Huge number of choices.

Even a set of nice bookshelf speakers that have a USB input that can be hooked to a PC, and get this... anything fed into any of those devices can be routed multi-room over wifi.

One new surround amp for the basement setup, two of the pre-amp level output devices cheap to hook to the already existing Yamaha setups in the upstairs and the garage, and two sets of those USB fed bookshelf speakers for the office and the ham shack... and I could route any audio source anywhere in the house to any system. And control it all from a phone app.

Seriously thinking about the Yamaha stuff. They are massively dedicated to it -- they've added it to nearly every device they sell above the cheap consumer level stuff.

And it makes it so that I don't waste the existing Yamaha driven systems, I only "dump" one amp and that one only because I need to route the HDMI sources through it. Upstairs on the little TV I know that analog audio output works and can feed that into the pre-amp device.

Liking what I'm seeing from Yamaha. Makes the whole system very "don't care" about sources. As long as you can feed it in somewhere, their stuff will make it stream all over the house. Getting decent reviews too, with the usual "Apple makes it harder than Android" which is another nail in the Apple coffin soon to be closing in this house -- they published a $300 photo book of Apple designs and they can't get cloud file synching right yet? They're so getting kicked out of the house as soon as I figure out which Android phone I'm going to.

http://www.yamaha.com/US/MusicCast/
 
Yamaha, Pioneer, Denon, and Marantz have all been experimenting with the WiFi features over the past few years. With MCACC (Pioneer), YPAO (Yamaha) or Audyssey (Denon/Marantz) you can easily fix the audio lip sync issues by adjusting the delay, not to mention the fantastic reference-adjustments that are made to correct for speaker position/room acoustics. They all seem to pair well with Apple or Android, but we like the Android environment at our house due to a few phones and tablets using that architecture.
 
Do what I did. Get a Raspberry Pi 3 for like $30 and setup OSMC. Connect it to the Fusion Repo and install Exodus.

Free TV. Forever. No limits .
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I understood all of that, except:
Raspberry Pi3,
OSMC,
Rusion Repo,
Exodus.
Other than that, it was all self explanatory.
 
Cheapest solution is the Amazon FireStick or Fire TV. They both do the same thing and will have Amazon Prime as its primary featured service. The other stuff is available on it too, if you so desire. The only think you must have is a WiFi connection and internet service.

Love my firesticks.
 
Yamaha, Pioneer, Denon, and Marantz have all been experimenting with the WiFi features over the past few years. With MCACC (Pioneer), YPAO (Yamaha) or Audyssey (Denon/Marantz) you can easily fix the audio lip sync issues by adjusting the delay, not to mention the fantastic reference-adjustments that are made to correct for speaker position/room acoustics. They all seem to pair well with Apple or Android, but we like the Android environment at our house due to a few phones and tablets using that architecture.

Correct. Modern gear can add delay to fix the sync issues. In my case, I can't fix the lip sync issue because it's the audio that needs delaying, and I'm using analog audio gear that has no processing whatsoever.

The source, feels it isn't their problem. There's no audio delay coming out of the source. It's synced at that point.

The TV, has a delay feature but it goes the other direction. It moves the audio coming out of the TV later in time. It can't move the video further forward.

The analog audio gear just spits out what it was given. And it's ahead of the video slightly.

So it's forked up. Ha.

By passing the audio to the TV and back, the TV can add the delay. So that's where I'll go with it eventually. Probably over the RAC line which will already add a tiny amount of digitization delay anyway, which might be enough without telling the TV to delay it further.

We had this problem in audio conferencing decades ago. If we used slow processors for mixing audio, the echos and delayed audio to all the participants was unbearable. We had to use custom DSP chips and really fast math functions inside of them to make that mathematical mixing as short as possible.

I'm actually kinda surprised at how slow the TV is to display the digital video sent to it, overall. I've fiddled with turning off most of the video processing heavy hitter functions to give the silly thing the best chance of doing it quickly, but it's still noticeably out of sync if you leave both the TV speaker audio and the room audio turned up at the same time. The DSP between your ears can make it seem "okay" if only the room audio is active, almost.
 
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I understood all of that, except:
Raspberry Pi3,
Raspberry Pi is a stripped down computer with an HDMI out and USB ports. It typically runs a stripped down version of LINUX. The 3 just indicates that it's the third version of the design.
Open Source Media Center. A package including KODI (a video streamer) and related files to install on the above (and elsewhere).
Rusion Repo,
Fusion Repository - An software installer (and the backing network library) add on to Kodi that loads more add ons that product (like Exodus)
An add-on product to KODI for streaming video, typically illegal copies of movies.


So, by and large it's a very hacky way to build up a little system that does roughly what a ROKU or FIRE STICK or CHROME CAST or whatever does with the added "benefit" that it allows you easy access to breaking the copyright laws.
 
Interesting, I think I have used the 3 before but never the 2. I did a hell of a lot of research before I bought mine when I was looking at different streaming devices. Roku was pretty much regarded as the best overall streamer across the board. Chromecast and Amazon Fire were good as well. Apple TV I have used...it is okay. Most streaming devices now a days seem to be pretty good, but heck for $130 I will buy the Roku 4.

In all fairness most "elderly" folk are about as clueless as it gets when it comes to any electronic device. Even my parents are pretty clueless on how to use their new Vizio M series TV (specifically the Android tablet it comes with which allows you to cast anything you want onto the TV - Netflix, Vudu, etc).

Maybe try Apple TV? Apple usually provides the easiest user interface.
In all fairness most "elderly " folk are about as clueless as it gets when it comes to any electronic device. At 71 I have very little trouble ( most of the time ) working my electronic coffee pot. Some of us elderly are sharper than others. Thank You
 
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