Install it or sell, is that the question?

FlySince9

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It seems to me that none (or at least most of most) airplanes on the market do not have ADS-B in their equipment list... I know the number of compliant vs non-compliant is pretty dismal right now even with the rebate offered. I guess a lot of guys are choosing to bail rather than comply and to do it before the mandate when the selling price might be affected without ADS-B?
 
Sell sell sell! Get yourself a nice experimental and get back to enjoying the gift of flight by poking jokes in the sky and checking out the scenery from your lofty perch high above.
 
It's about $5-6 AMU's installed, I doubt having or not having it installed will make more than 2-3 AMU difference in selling price at least until 2020. I had a Garmin 345 installed in my 182 and I really like the traffic on it, I haven't got a chance to check out the weather feature yet.
 
N747JB said:
It's about $5-6 AMU's installed, I doubt having or not having it installed will make more than 2-3 AMU difference in selling price at least until 2020. I had a Garmin 345 installed in my 182 and I really like the traffic on it, I haven't got a chance to check out the weather feature yet.
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Yea... that was my point... they seem to be bailing to get top dollar now rather than later when it may/will reflect it the value...
 
Why would anyone be a early adopter?

Also not all aircraft need ADSB

And it's not 5-6k unless you're going the expensive route
 
James331 said:
Why would anyone be a early adopter?

Also not all aircraft need ADSB

And it's not 5-6k unless you're going the expensive route
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yep, nice but not necessary for me. I do not have a lot of class C, B airspace nearby, and what I do have I can easily go around. I have (had) a deposit on a Navworx unit but they shot themselves in the head. I just saw where Bendix/King is selling a unit for under $2K, if I read the website correctly. I will probably get ADS-B installed but not now. I am planning on upgrading and would rather spend the money on the new plane.
 
For sure, and like most tech I'm sure more lower priced higher features models will be coming out.

Plus the used market, when rich folks have to beat "the jones'" and upgrade from existing ADSB, you'll have some great stuff that's new today being sold for steep discounts.

I also wouldn't rule navworx out yet, they still have time to get their chit together.


I'll be installing ADSB, but if I can get away with it, which I can for 85% of my missions, I'd much prefer to do the "upgrade" in 2021 or later, think I'll end up with a much nicer unit for faaar less, and that's presuming things don't change at the last minute with the feds.
 
FlySince9 said:
Yea... that was my point... they seem to be bailing to get top dollar now rather than later when it may/will reflect it the value...
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That would imply an increase in the volume of used planes for sale, particularly simpler airplanes where the upgrade cost is a significant portion of the value of the airframe. Has this actually happened statistically, or is the present volume just reflective of a normal market? Seems to me there is still plenty of airspace in the USA where ADS-B isn't required.
 
If your happy with your aircraft,why wouldn't you plan to upgrade to ADSB compliant? Cheaper than an engine overhaul.
 
frfly172 said:
If your happy with your aircraft,why wouldn't you plan to upgrade to ADSB compliant? Cheaper than an engine overhaul.
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If you're happy with your aircraft why wouldn't you install a EHSI and garmin G5? Cheaper than a engine overhaul.
 
Zeldman said:
I flew ADS-B equipped airplanes last summer. I am a believer now.
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Work plane is ADSB, its cool, but for my mission with my personal plane, its like $1500 worth of value to me.

I don't really use the old weather, the traffic is nice in busy areas, but for the most part I'm ether under 2k AGL in the middle of BFE, or on rare occasion IFR, so its a cool feature but no way is it a game changer for me
 
James331 said:
Not at all.

Just because you like your airframe doesn't mean it makes sense to install stuff you don't need.
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Yeah but apparently he needs ADS-B. That was the question. So yeah, it WAS a non-sequiter.
 
It would be interesting to see a comparison between owners' reactions/decisions/resale price/etc now versus when Mode C transponders first became required in certain airspace, or even Mode-A only transponders when they were first required.

Anybody that remembers those days remember what it was like (meaning the decision-making process, how many chose to go without, etc.)?
 
Greg Bockelman said:
Yeah but apparently he needs ADS-B. That was the question. So yeah, it WAS a non-sequiter.
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I didn't see where he said he NEEDED adsb?

All I saw was him asking why folks don't ADSB before selling (ROI would be my guess)

I also saw the word mandate, which really is cleaver, albeit sleazy, marketing on the behalf of the FAA.
 
I can't imagine, when the time comes, that avoiding a $1500-2500-3500-4500 expense is going to be worth the effort AND expense of selling my plane (yes, there is a "cost" to selling a plane, thru broker's, time, phone calls, scanning logs, whatever).

When I choose to sell my plane, it won't be to avoid a couple of $thousand expense.

That being said, I can't imagine installing it before 2020 is mandated.
 
JoseCuervo said:
I can't imagine, when the time comes, that avoiding a $1500-2500-3500-4500 expense is going to be worth the effort AND expense of selling my plane (yes, there is a "cost" to selling a plane, thru broker's, time, phone calls, scanning logs, whatever).

When I choose to sell my plane, it won't be to avoid a couple of $thousand expense.

That being said, I can't imagine installing it before 2020 is mandated.
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I'm thinking that you could find yourself grounded a couple of weeks while all the shops are busy handling all the others that also followed your plan/mindset...

James331 said:
I didn't see where he said he NEEDED adsb?
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I do...
 
FlySince9 said:
I'm thinking that you could find yourself grounded a couple of weeks while all the shops are busy handling all the others that also followed your plan/mindset...



I do...
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Why would I be grounded? The plane is still airworthy.
 
James331 said:
And it's not 5-6k unless you're going the expensive route
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You do have to state if you're counting only the price of the gear or a fully installed ready to fly number when talking about avionics prices.

Anyone can get a nice "cheap" $2000-3000 paperweight for their desk.
 
denverpilot said:
You do have to state if you're counting only the price of the gear or a fully installed ready to fly number when talking about avionics prices.

Anyone can get a nice "cheap" $2000-3000 paperweight for their desk.
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Also if your avionics guys is trying to put his kids through med school off your install
 
You forgot option #3, which I plan to follow: pretend ADSB doesn't exist, and keep flying. Approach won't let me into the ATL Bravo anyway, VFR or IFR.
 
FlySince9 said:
I guess a lot of guys are choosing to bail rather than comply and to do it before the mandate when the selling price might be affected without ADS-B?
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What about the 406 ELT? Same sort of thing..
 
AKBill said:
What about the 406 ELT? Same sort of thing..
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Not really, no BS "mandate" and hype marketing on those, they are just a good idea for remote area ops, also not that expensive at all, especially if upgrading from a one of ACK's 121.5 to new ACK 406/121.5.
 
Like everyone said, people waiting and those that don't feel like it's necessary for them make up a decent chunk.
 
JoseCuervo said:
... scanning logs...
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You REALLY should do this when you buy your plane, if the old owner haven't already, and anytime you add anything to the logs.

Every receipt, 337, import/export doc, log page, STC, POH and supplement, everything from FAA records that I got on the CD, etc that I got since buying my plane, or came with the plane when I bought it, it's all scanned and saved a few places locally and in the cloud.

There are so many reasons to do this I don't event know where to start.
 
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