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gprellwitz

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Well, today I came to really appreciate Apple. I got a nice new top of the line iPad2 about a month ago. Today, it fell from under my arm and hit the pavement. Right on the corner. Ow! Looked at the screen, and it had cracks all up and down the right side. :hairraise::hairraise::hairraise:

There are places that promise to replace the screen for about $200. Apple will swap out with a new unit for about half the cost of the original unit, or $420. BUT, I took it to the local Apple store and they gave me a one time FREE replacement iPad2. So, less than 10 hours later, I have a new iPad2 loaded from backup (which luckily I had done just a couple days ago). That's service that's hard to beat!
 
Grant did you see the ipad covers/protector thread?
How do you backup your i2?
 
I've had similar experiences where they "owed me nothing" but took care of me. Not everyone does. (I've noticed it tends to happen to those who are polite in the stores and not ranting lunatics, but granted my "sample set" is pretty small... I've only seen a few other people who've had similar damage problems in the stores.)

Showing up at non-busy times seems to help as well, just like any retail outlet. Genius Bar reservation required, of course... which once I hated, but now have grown to like the system. The tech gets enough time with each customer, and they actually have time to think about your problem.

My first experience was when an original MacBook that died an infant mortality death two days into ownership had to go back. Came back from the trip I was on a few days later, walked in, showed them that it wouldn't boot, and they offered to give me an on-the-spot exchange or a full refund. No "stocking fees" or other BS... every penny back.

I took the refund and thought about it for a couple of days, and walked back in and plunked down more money than before for the "BlackBook" model, which was a $200 rip-off in many ways, but I wanted black for work...

Even though I was angry as all get-out when the first machine crapped out on the second day of a week-long trip, part of my decision was that if they'd do 100% refund with nothing more than a cursory glance at the hardware, a smile, and a "Is there anything else I can help you with?"... I wanted to continue to do business with that type of company.

I had gotten hasty and posted on my blog about the dead machine and how angry I was. A friend who I had no idea worked for Apple, called up and said he was authorized to help in any way he could. Not only did he personally reach out, but the company backed him up when he said he'd seen a friend ranting and raving about a MacBook that had failed him two days into service.

Years later, I took my iPhone to the Genius counter once for a problem with a portion of the touch-screen not working well... intermittent. (What Apple didn't know was that I'd had another Mac professional repair shop, take the glass and sensor under the glass off, clean it all including contacts, and then reassemble it. Then they did the proper realignment of the digitizer.

I worked through the problem logically and politely with the tech -- and he PAID ATTENTION and listened, and he also realized the problem was a bit intermittent in nature.

Rather than shoo me off as soon as he had the phone working, he looked it over carefully (which was odd, since he'd been holding it and hooking it to his MacBook to try a few things prior to that, and all of a sudden I could tell he was in "inspection mode"), and said, "Do you see this little crack right here?" I could barely see it.

"That crack is a known manufacturing defect. Here, let me get you a replacement phone. It'll be a refurbished one, but the glass is brand new. Would you mind?"

Heck, mine was scratched to heck (3G, the black case on the back) and the glass and bezel were beat up too... normal wear and tear for me, I'm hard on phones.

He swapped it, handing me a refurbished 3GS because the 3G wasn't available any longer, and I walked out with a huge smile on my face.

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Finally, with my wife's machine ... it did still have AppleCare on it at the time ...

I made a call to the 800 number when the keyboard died. I suspected that my wife had spilled something in it, but I wasn't sure. Tech on the other end said he'd ship a new keyboard for free, not even the cost of shipping. Said they wouldn't cover water damage, and I could be billed if that's what it was, and never heard from them again.

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So, in all, I'd say I've received a couple hundred bucks worth of free stuff (their cost, my cost it would be worth much more) over the years from Apple just by asking nicely and not expecting them to do anything -- I was willing to pay to fix all of the above problems.

Those "high prices" seem to also include covering a lot of the silliness that happens with consumer electronics, the human/right way -- they don't hassle or blame you for the failures, even if they might be your fault... they just find you a replacement for a reasonable price, if you're polite and kind, and their hands aren't tied... like with water damage. They don't "do" water.

I've certainly seen "horror stories" on the Web, too... but my in-person experience at the stores when seeking service, has been almost too easy.
 
Grant did you see the ipad covers/protector thread?
How do you backup your i2?
I have two covers for the iPad2: the SmartCover (or whatever it's called) that I was using when it fell and which does nothing to protect the corners, and a Bluetooth keyboard in a portfolio-style cover that probably would have saved it.

I back up by using iTunes. Not the most intuitive, but it seems to have worked. So far I haven't found anything that didn't come back. Not saying that there wasn't something, but I haven't seen it yet. My SN (UDID) changed, so one of my applications won't run until it's reauthorized, but that's a development thing you're to likely to see.
 
They done the same thing last week for me on my iphone 2 w/ no insurance or anything. Very good of them. More than I would do for a customer.
 
Two words, Grant: Otter Box - maybe it's one word.

In the end I got a brand new Time Capsule to replace mine that was years out of warranty. They had a bad power supplies in the first units. There was quite a delay but Apple eventually gave notice that that they'd replace them and I got mine at the end of the recall in my 2nd trip to the Apple Store. 2nd trip only because they didn't' have the right "genius" on hand when I first visited. It helped my case when I turned to the nearby iMac, Googled, "site:apple.com Time Capsule replacement" and they printed out the page to attach to my defective unit.
 
Those products look like a good choice. Are you using both or just the "Defender"?

I don't have an iPad yet. If I did, I'd get both. What has always made me nervous about buying one is thinking I'd drop it. That hand strap is going to be a vital MEL for me.

I wish I had gotten the Otterbox for my iPhone. I wouldn't have broken the screen on the 4th drop, which was the unlucky one (and I've had dozens fo drops since.) My 1st gen iPhone is limping along until the next "I'll but the next release" and it still works with the cracked screen.

I have some Otterbox boxes for various uses and they're great. Look for the video of them driving a truck over the box.
 
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That video is Patrick Norton of Revision3, if that helps folks find it.

Otterboxes are great, and I've had a few for iPhones, but they're very bulky.

I'm using this case on an iPad 1, and it's a nice compromise between protection and bulk/weight:

http://www.goincase.com/products/detail/convertible-book-jacket-cl57512r/5

Hard to see in the photos that the sides and back are very stiff. It's pretty solid even when the iPad isn't in it.

I take the iPad out of it to put it in the RAM Mount on the Yoke when flying.
 
I have the rigid InCase for my iPhone and like it. Very durable and has done a great job protecting against drops.
 
Otterboxes are great, and I've had a few for iPhones, but they're very bulky.

The Defender series for the iphone is bulky and I don't like it but just today I bought a "Commuter" series Otterbox case for my 3Gs and like it very much. It doesn't seem any more bulky than the simple skin it was replacing (which finally developed a rip after a year) but has some nice features such as dust covers for the ports. Definitely more durable than a simple skin without any extra "bulk."

I've only looked at pics of the Defender case for the iPad 2 but it appears that it doesn't add much heft or thickness to the iPad if you aren't clipped into the attached stand- in other words just use the case by itself. If I could find someone who actually had one in inventory I'd find out myself. Well maybe the Apple Store in Vegas will have one tomorrow.
 
My defender case for ipad2 just came in. Slightly bulkier than the previous Commuter case for the original iPad but not by much. Happy with it so far! Only problem is I hear it doesn't fit the RAM mount for iPads in cases.
 
My defender case for ipad2 just came in. Slightly bulkier than the previous Commuter case for the original iPad but not by much. Happy with it so far! Only problem is I hear it doesn't fit the RAM mount for iPads in cases.

RAM is supposed to come out with an iPad+OtterBox cradle... Dunno when or if it's out yet, but keep your eye out.
 
And back to the original topic...

SEE?!?!? ;)

I like Apple products because they back 'em up. They're not perfect but they are continually improving and there's fewer headaches than other companies and their products.
 
Well, I just dropped my iPad and shattered the screen. Heading to the Apple store tomorrow to see what they say. I have a Zagg Invisible Shield front and back. Plus a Smart Cover. In my house, at the moment, I have a Macbook Pro, an iMac, an Apple TV, two iPhone 4s, an iPhone 3G and two iPads. If they won't take care of me, they won't take care of anybody...
 
is there an issue with accidentally hitting the touch screen while you have an approach chart up and losing it?
 
Well, I just dropped my iPad and shattered the screen. Heading to the Apple store tomorrow to see what they say. I have a Zagg Invisible Shield front and back. Plus a Smart Cover. In my house, at the moment, I have a Macbook Pro, an iMac, an Apple TV, two iPhone 4s, an iPhone 3G and two iPads. If they won't take care of me, they won't take care of anybody...

Well, they gave me a free replacement iPad. I don't know any other company that would do that.
 
Speaking of fanboys, I see where AA is testing iPads as EFBs for their airline pilots. Link

Hope they don't run through a pack of angry birds... :D:nono:
 
My iPad broke because it slipped off my lap in the airplane and fell straight on the Bad Elf gps. It damaged the dock connector.

I took it to Apple today, they said no problem, here is a new iPad (I did not have Applecare). This time I decided to upgrade to the Verizon 3G model.

Call me a fanboy. But there is no other company that I've delt with that will do that for you. I was in and out in probably 5 minutes.
 
That's pretty incredible. I've had good experiences but replacing something I damaged has never ever been an expectation of mine. Wow.
 
is there an issue with accidentally hitting the touch screen while you have an approach chart up and losing it?

Depending on the app. ForeFlight allows you to lock the page on the approach chart.
 
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