IFR Release Priority

hindsight2020 said:
That's not on him, that's on ATC. Uncontrolled airfield means one in one out in IFR. Tough cheese for the conga line behind.

He did an incredibly courteous thing by letting VFR traffic depart (they could have always just taken the early intersection, back taxied full length and departed VFR in front of him if so inclined) and got penalized for it by the fast food manager money, hour-chasing chumps in their glorified seneca. Completely unprofessional richard move on their part. :no:
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That's incorrect.

Fast food managers make much more.
 
JHW said:
As I understand it, when he got his clearance he was sitting on an intersection taxiway with immediate access to the runway. In that case the best thing for all parties is to go. If he declines the clearance, it just takes more time for center to drop that one and issue a clearance to the next plane. Marginally more time to be sure, this isn't life or death. But if I'm in a position to roll onto the runway and I get my clearance, I'm going. That isn't rude, it's just my turn. As long as I'm satisfied i can do any back-taxiing within the limits of my void time, I don't see any reason for concern. There isn't any "line being busy" he already has his clearance.
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I agree, go if you can get off before your void time expires. I had the impression there was some doubt in his mind whether he could do that the first time he was offered the release, so he declined it. I would have done the same in that position. If you meant the second time, when he was waiting to line up but could have done a 180 and gone, then I misunderstood. But I didn't realize he'd had that opportunity until he mentioned it in his second post. Maybe I just missed something in his first post. :dunno:
 
When I got my initial clearance I was not holding short of the runway, I was sitting on the ramp after starting my engine. The controller released me for departure with a very short void time, something I could not accept because I still had to taxi down to the hold short line and do my run up and set up the GPS.

Next time, I will just get my clearance holding short of the runway instead of from the ramp.

The reason I declined it the second time was because the gulfstream took my spot in line and I couldn't get in front of him. What I should have done was do a 180 as previously mentioned, it didn't come across my mind at the time. Hindsight is 20/20 i guess.
 
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JC150 said:
The king air guys were just ignorant in my opinion. I have never seen such unprofessionalism by a crew, and to follow it up with giving me the middle finger. They would've been listening to clearance for their release, and they heard me tell the controller that I was going to go behind the gulfstream.
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Since they were also IFR you should be able to lookup on Flightaware who departed from that airport before you and get their tail number. I wonder if a letter to the owner might be worthwhile.
 
tlglenn said:
Since they were also IFR you should be able to lookup on Flightaware who departed from that airport before you and get their tail number. I wonder if a letter to the owner might be worthwhile.
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Yes! Do it! Do it! Do it! Company pilots are ambassadors, the face of the company. The owner should know. The pilots should be embarassed. Even if the company pilot turns out to be the owner too--it will give pause.

dtuuri
 
I'm based at a pretty busy field myself and this scenario of waiting for release and having VFR pilots behind me is not uncommon. What I do in these cases is I do whatever I can to clear a way for other planes to reach the runway, but I also make sure I can reach the runway at all times. So I'm not going to move to a point where I cannot. Usually I can make enough room to let others by without giving up my access to the runway.
 
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