drgwentzel
Pre-takeoff checklist
IFR Flyers,
I had a difference of opinion with another pilot yesterday during an IFR approach, so let me run the scenario by the group and let's discuss what the group think is.
I was the pilot flying and the other pilot was the pilot monitoring. We were flying into EWR shooting an ILS approach into runway 22R. https://www.airnav.com/depart?http://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/2109/00285IL22R.PDF
On the en-route structure we were cleared direct AGNSS and told to descend to 3000'. The GPS showed that we were 35 miles from this fix.
The direct track to AGNSS put us on a 90 degree intercept angle to the ILS approach course. At about 5 miles before to AGNSS ATC stated, "UE4388 cleared for the ILS 22R approach."
As I got closer to the course I switched to heading mode and turned the plane about 30 degrees to the right to obtain a more shallow intercept angle. The other pilot immediately objected and stated, "No, you have to cross AGNSS first because that was our clearance."
I retorted, "No, he did not state something like, '...cross AGNSS at 3000, cleared for the approach.' He simply stated, '...cleared for the approach.' Therefore, we can fly any heading or altitude which will intercept the localizer and glide slope and fly the approach effectively and safely."
He just remained silent, but I could tell he didn't agree. I said, "We'll discuss it on the ground." Unfortunately, we were in a hurry and just left it alone.
My thought is, if the controller wanted us to cross a fix, fly a heading or hold an altitude or airspeed, that would have been placed in the clearance dialogue.
Something like, "UE4388, fly heading 090, cross AGNSS at 3000, 180 knots until 5 mile final, cleared for the approach."
None of that was stated. What are the thoughts of the group?
I had a difference of opinion with another pilot yesterday during an IFR approach, so let me run the scenario by the group and let's discuss what the group think is.
I was the pilot flying and the other pilot was the pilot monitoring. We were flying into EWR shooting an ILS approach into runway 22R. https://www.airnav.com/depart?http://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/2109/00285IL22R.PDF
On the en-route structure we were cleared direct AGNSS and told to descend to 3000'. The GPS showed that we were 35 miles from this fix.
The direct track to AGNSS put us on a 90 degree intercept angle to the ILS approach course. At about 5 miles before to AGNSS ATC stated, "UE4388 cleared for the ILS 22R approach."
As I got closer to the course I switched to heading mode and turned the plane about 30 degrees to the right to obtain a more shallow intercept angle. The other pilot immediately objected and stated, "No, you have to cross AGNSS first because that was our clearance."
I retorted, "No, he did not state something like, '...cross AGNSS at 3000, cleared for the approach.' He simply stated, '...cleared for the approach.' Therefore, we can fly any heading or altitude which will intercept the localizer and glide slope and fly the approach effectively and safely."
He just remained silent, but I could tell he didn't agree. I said, "We'll discuss it on the ground." Unfortunately, we were in a hurry and just left it alone.
My thought is, if the controller wanted us to cross a fix, fly a heading or hold an altitude or airspeed, that would have been placed in the clearance dialogue.
Something like, "UE4388, fly heading 090, cross AGNSS at 3000, 180 knots until 5 mile final, cleared for the approach."
None of that was stated. What are the thoughts of the group?