If you're traveling on a commercial airline, read this...

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Apparently reading a book about aircraft makes one a potential terrorist

The terrorists have won.....

Now, I am a musician by trade and an amateur aviation historian, studying mostly European transport aircraft between WW1 and WW2, and some after. I was on my way to two different music festivals. When I travel I delve into reading about this era of aviation. I had taken out and was reading a book of Polish Aircraft circa 1946 and I was also looking at views of an Italian aircraft from 1921.

I think you see where this is going...

The plane went all the way out to the take-off point, in the queue for take-off. .....The plane then proceeded to turn around and head all the way back to the gate. Once at the gate, the jet bridge was positioned. The Captain announced, "We have a minor issue, and we will continue our departure once it's resolved." He left the aircraft.

After about 5 - 10 minutes, 2 Mass State Policemen, 1 or 2 TSA Agents, and the bursar for the flight come down the isle and motion me to get off of the plane. I do not remember if they called me by name. We stepped out into the breezeway where one of the State policemen asked how I was doing that day.
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A few beats...

Policeman: "Sir, were you looking at a book of airplanes?"

Me: "Yes sir I was. I am a musician for money, but for fun I study old aircraft and build models of them, and the book I was reading was of Polish Aircraft from 1946."

Policeman: "Would you please go get that book so that i can see it?"

I go back onto the plane - all eyes are on me like I was a common criminal. Total humiliation part 2.

After a couple of minutes he says, "Why, this is all Snoopy Red Baron stuff..."

Me: "Yes sir, actually the triplane you see is Italian, from 1921 a little after World War 1..."

Policeman: "No problem here then, you can go on back on to the plane, sorry to inconvenience you...and have a nice flight".

http://vancegilbert.com/index.php?page=blog&display=2245
 
Obviously I agree this is absurd, but in his blog he claims this happened because he was African American. Many TSA agents are African American, I don't think there is much racial profiling going on there. Last time I checked the stereotypical terrorist was middle eastern.


I am a 6 foot tall, bespectacled, slightly greying, 52 year old, 230 lb African-American male with a close hair cut.

Would this have happened to the 30-ish Caucasian woman sitting across the aisle from me (who left her seat, water bottle, and book, never to be seen for the rest of the "completely full" flight)? Is it now against the law to be dark and read a book about historic aircraft?
 
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Obviously I agree this is absurd, but in his blog he claims this happened because he was African American. Many TSA agents are African American, I don't think there is much racial profiling going on there. Last time I checked the stereotypical terrorist was middle eastern.

This was not a TSA issue. This sounds like the result of some dumb-ass-over-concerned pax who raised enough hell with the flight attendants to have the plane turned around.

Then again....it was a UAL flight and the FAs themselves may have been the problem.
 
Obviously I agree this is absurd, but in his blog he claims this happened because he was African American. Many TSA agents are African American, I don't think there is much racial profiling going on there. Last time I checked the stereotypical terrorist was middle eastern.

Yep, he hurt his case by playing the race card, but the events that occurred are beyond stupid.
 
Copy of email sent to Vance:

Vance, you were not 'profiled' because you are black... You have to understand that those of us who are not black, don't give a crap what color your skin is... We spend our days pushing through a sea of brown, yellow, red, white, and yes, black skinned people... You are the one fixated on it...

You were 'profiled' because some passenger yipped and yapped at the stews until they called the pilot... That passenger(s) panicked because you dress funny and you were reading an "airplane book"... In the mind of the typical TV watching, mouth breathing, functional illiterates, we call the average citizen today, who watches CSI, Burn Notice, etc. anyone who is not half smashed on cheap booze and dressing like Joe Sixpack is obviously a terrorist...

So in closing, I suggest you read Daniel Steele next time you are on a flight - the one with the cover showing a blouse half ripped off - then that "passenger" will likely ask you to let her read it for awhile...

You sound like a guy I might like to chat with - but only if you drop the "whitey done put me down" crap...

Cordially
Dennis O'Connor (denny-o)
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This was not a TSA issue. This sounds like the result of some dumb-ass-over-concerned pax who raised enough hell with the flight attendants to have the plane turned around.

Then again....it was a UAL flight and the FAs themselves may have been the problem.

This was NOT a UAL flight. It was an E170 operated by one of the half dozen or so outsourced airlines that are not owned by United airlines but operated as United Express.
 
I wonder what would have happened if he was studying a Gleim Commercial Pilot test book. :idea:
 
Um..... I'm going on an airplane (United / Continental) in less than a week and will DEFINITELY be bringing aviation stuff. Log book too. I wonder if I should invest in a book cover? What if I'm reading flight training magazine from AOPA or something?
 
This was not a TSA issue. This sounds like the result of some dumb-ass-over-concerned pax who raised enough hell with the flight attendants to have the plane turned around.
Then again....it was a UAL flight and the FAs themselves may have been the problem.

+1000
 
This was NOT a UAL flight. It was an E170 operated by one of the half dozen or so outsourced airlines that are not owned by United airlines but operated as United Express.

Yeah, but to the traveling public, it makes no difference. The name painted on the side of the plane is the company that gets the blame, regardless of who is actually operating it.
 
Um..... I'm going on an airplane (United / Continental) in less than a week and will DEFINITELY be bringing aviation stuff. Log book too. I wonder if I should invest in a book cover? What if I'm reading flight training magazine from AOPA or something?
I doubt anything will happen. I bring similar magazines on my business trips, sometimes stuff from my flight bag since sometimes I'll have a day to fly around. Never a problem (yet).

BTW....you have learned to land, havent you?:wink2:
 
This was NOT a UAL flight. It was an E170 operated by one of the half dozen or so outsourced airlines that are not owned by United airlines but operated as United Express.

Put your company's logo on the ticket and the tail of the bird, you're responsible for the stupid crap your "outsourced" vendors do to your customers. Period.

The Majors need to get this through their thick skulls and think real hard about whether or not those cheap feeders are how they want their customers treated.

Judging by the last ten years, I'd say they honestly don't care at all.
 
Shouldn't the title of this thread be "If you're traveling on a commercial airline, don't read this..." :rofl:
 
Um..... I'm going on an airplane (United / Continental) in less than a week and will DEFINITELY be bringing aviation stuff. Log book too. I wonder if I should invest in a book cover? What if I'm reading flight training magazine from AOPA or something?

I wouldn't worry about it - when I was flying back to Texas last year to do my B-25 rating, I had the Dash-1 out and my laptop going through powerpoints of the aircraft systems and no one said a word.....but then again, I'm white.
 
Put your company's logo on the ticket and the tail of the bird, you're responsible for the stupid crap your "outsourced" vendors do to your customers. Period.

The Majors need to get this through their thick skulls and think real hard about whether or not those cheap feeders are how they want their customers treated.

Judging by the last ten years, I'd say they honestly don't care at all.

I agree 100%!!!. They've lost control of the their product and get blamed for all the crap (and rightly so). The sad thing is, UAX actually cost UAL up to 50% more per seat mile. So the customers have to pay more for tickets and UAL gets blamed for the often inferior and more expensive service.

I wonder if it actually was another pax that complained. I don't see any mention of it. It might have been an overly zealous FA. Or the guy could have been a complete jerk and we are only hearing his side of the story. Or even if it happened at all.
 
Hmm - is he interested in post-WW II Polish aircraft, or post-WW I Italian aircraft? I think anyone interested in both fits the terrorist profile. But that's just me - I think in this case someone misread the title and thought they saw one of these:

  • How to Wage Jihad with Polish and Italian Transport Aircraft for Fun and Prophet
  • How to Perform an Overhead Break with Your RV
Reading either of these would be reasonable grounds for a one-way ticket to Gitmo. I'm glad they checked him out, though clearly TSA training isn't what it should be, since only terrorists would be interested in post-WW II Polish transport aircraft.

And he claims to be a musician, which is equally suspect: this means he can fly on instruments, hitting high value targets even in IMC.
 
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I doubt anything will happen. I bring similar magazines on my business trips, sometimes stuff from my flight bag since sometimes I'll have a day to fly around. Never a problem (yet).

BTW....you have learned to land, havent you?:wink2:

I have learned to land . . . a small, two-seater, single engine aircraft. Not a jet.
 
Um..... I'm going on an airplane (United / Continental) in less than a week and will DEFINITELY be bringing aviation stuff. Log book too. I wonder if I should invest in a book cover? What if I'm reading flight training magazine from AOPA or something?
No.

If his story is even true, I have not gone to look to see if it is documented elsewhere, you will not have a problem. Heck I have watched Kng videos for the flight engineer course on a plane and the ONLY comment I ever got was from a UAL 3-striper who saw me watching them and commented that he had remembered those videos and wanted to know if I was a pilot. We chatted about small airplanes and GA once he found out I was not at all interested in aviation as a job.
 
I get a window seat and take sectionals and airport diagrams so I can follow along as we go. The only person who has gotten upset so far is a cow-orker who originally came from Lebanon and is paranoid about TSA (not that I blame him).
 
On one of my recent trips out of JFK, I brought along a printed copy of the airport diagram just for fun to stay oriented. I did think beforehand of the possibility that someone might get bent out of shape about that, but too bad.
 
I have learned to land . . . a small, two-seater, single engine aircraft. Not a jet.
No jet? You are a threat.

I read someplace some of the 9/11 terrists took flying lessons but weren't interested in learning to land.
 
I get a window seat and take sectionals and airport diagrams so I can follow along as we go. The only person who has gotten upset so far is a cow-orker who originally came from Lebanon and is paranoid about TSA (not that I blame him).

What is an orker? And what's the difference between a regular orker, and a cow-orker? :)
 
I'd like to hear the other side of this story, got to be more to this other than all the "woe is me" crap this guy is spouting.
 
This was NOT a UAL flight. It was an E170 operated by one of the half dozen or so outsourced airlines that are not owned by United airlines but operated as United Express.
In that case, United may be dictating policies by contract.
 
I was on a Jet Blue flight in '05. I was studying for my PP so I was reading the Gliem book. The landing in New York was the worst commercial landing I have ever experienced: landed a bit sideways, bounced, landed a bit sideways the other way and then bounced one more time. The folks around me said "Maybe they should have had you do that landing." It's the only comment I ever got about reading "Airplane" books on a flight.

John
 
I have never had anyone -- passenger or crew -- get skittish about my choice of reading materials on a commercial flight. It's usually either QST (ham radio), Guns & Ammo and/or American Rifleman. Years ago I was studying my Student Pilot's Flight Manual on one flight when the pilot saw it as he passed by on his way from the head... stopped just long enough to say, "You know, that stuff will rot your brain!"

Of course, I try not to be a jerk, which may help. If asked, though, I'd probably treat it the same way I would if someone asked me why I'm reading a newspaper.
 
Copy of email sent to Vance:

... That passenger(s) panicked because you dress funny and you were reading an "airplane book"... In the mind of the typical TV watching, mouth breathing, functional illiterates, we call the average citizen today, who watches CSI, Burn Notice, etc. anyone who is not half smashed on cheap booze and dressing like Joe Sixpack is obviously a terrorist...
(my most important title)

I fly around 80k miles a year on airlines for work, mostly have since the late 90s. I like to be comfortable when I travel normally wearing shorts (spring - fall) an Aloha (Hawaiian) shirt with Airplanes on it, or some other Aviation shirt, and an Aviation ball cap of some sort.

I'm always reading something Aviation related, magazine, book, study material,... I have never had a problem. I even carry my hand held in my carry on so I can listen to local airports wherever I'm spending my week. TSA doesn't even bat at eye at it.

I have to admit though that sometimes it makes me nervous that someone may view it in a bad light. Which honestly makes me a bit upset, I shouldn't have to feel like I'm doing something wrong when I am not.
 
I even carry my hand held in my carry on so I can listen to local airports wherever I'm spending my week. TSA doesn't even bat at eye at it.

Only once can I recall having an issue - that was at BWI witht the TSA when I had my DC headset, some charts, and a handheld when heading off to pick up my plane from annual/maintence.
 
As a likely candidate for profiling of several types there are situations where I am keenly aware of security personnel "playing it cool". My background helps me diffuse many situations that in my youth would have a different outcome. However, I am not naive enough to think that a smile is always a warm greeting.

With that said, I brought several books with me for my comm flight, but sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. Other times, I mind my own business and move about as I see fit and DARE anyone to say a word...works every time.
 
Only once can I recall having an issue - that was at BWI witht the TSA when I had my DC headset, some charts, and a handheld when heading off to pick up my plane from annual/maintence.

I generally carry my Halo headset (very small) as well in case I luck into a local pilot taking me flying on my trip. It happens sometimes. Speaking of which I'm in Tulsa 9/5-9/9, Sedalia MO 9/12-9/16, and of course Milwaukee 9/18-9/23 May luck into another flight with flyingcheesehead while in WI. Hint Hint ;)
 

I'd bet on that, too. And I'd also bet that this pax was upset not so much because the guy was black as because he was not white, if you get my drift.
Or perhaps they are so thoroughly programmed to equate patriotism with being scared all the time that the sight of anyone reading a book with airplanes on the cover was suspicious to them. To them, it would be the same as seeing the person next to them pull out a book about how to make bombs and hide them in luggage, or how to kill somebody with a box cutter.

In his shoes, I'd only want to know who it was that suspected me, so I could educate the ignoramus with a few choice words. No doubt the airline would not tell me, so I'd probably want to hold them responsible instead.

All in all, it's outrageous. Might as well delay the flight because one pax accused another of being a killer android from the future.
 
The story must be BS. We all know LEOs, especially MA State Police, are arrogant B*tards dressed in black swat combat gear, carrying AR15s, and would have cuffed him first then dragged his carcass off the plane! They certainly wouldn't have let him go UNESCORTED into said aircraft to retrieve anything.
'Scuse me. It isn't all about race. The police respond to peoples complaints. It's up to them to determine whether that complaint is truly a threat or just BS from some nosy busybody. That's what started the whole flap in Cambridge MA with the college professor.
 
Most LEOs will privately tell you that they want nothing to do with TSAs shenanigans. They don't get the same protections under the law for violations of Civil Rights that the TSA does.

TSA calls them over, they show concern and act as a show of force, and then walk away. TSA has no authority to arrest, they made sure to set it up such that the local LEO gets all those unlawful arrest lawsuits. They keep their hands clean.

If they could be sued for detaining people inappropriately, because they were a sanctioned LEO, things would be very very different.

It's similar to the legal immunity requested by telcos who are strong-armed politically or via back-room threats of loss of massive government contracts, into participating in illegal wiretapping.

CALEA made it easier on them. More to come on that front. Most of it behind closed doors in this, the most "transparent" government ever. Or so our President promised. (Cough, bull****, cough.)

DHS/TSA wants (and gets) different legal boundaries than the ones afforded the local LEOs. Or so they'd like to think. The backlash is that LEOs barely support them. Just enough for the Police Chief not to get calls from Washington complaining of non-cooperation.
 
I sometimes wonder why the pilot doesn't put the whiner off the plane and let everyone else get to their destination.
 
Um..... I'm going on an airplane (United / Continental) in less than a week and will DEFINITELY be bringing aviation stuff. Log book too. I wonder if I should invest in a book cover? What if I'm reading flight training magazine from AOPA or something?

Kim, do what I do: bring over a chart, and then open it up and study it (or even better, plan a XC). That'll get 'em.

*grin*
 
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