If you were King for a day...Make GA better.

Allocate the funds/resources for an aviation course at ever High School in the country.
Some of the high schools here in my area offer an A&P course, much like when I was in HS and took auto body and auto mechanics through the VICA program. As an adult if I wanted to get my A&P from the same school that the kids attend, It would cost me $15k for a two year program.
 
but a 700 nm radius around your house is still a big zone to explore...

700mm? That's 5.3 hours in my 182 and probably for passenger comfort is a two hop and closer to 6.3 hours including preflight, and fueling somewhere. (I can do 5.3 on a single fill but that is a long time to have your butt planted in the seats, even as comfy as they are.)

The 182 ain't exactly fast, but it's not exactly a trainer, either.

I think you're looking at 400-500nm as a much more reasonable number for regular hops with passengers unless you buy a purpose built traveling machine. (Obviously the 182 is kinda "multi-role" and can do some other things nominally that a more "speed only travel machine" can't do well.) That gets you down to three hours at 400nm and pushing four non-stop in a 182.

Now besides all that, to the meat of my thoughts on your post... those of us in "fly-over" states away from population densities like seen on the coasts... we really do need those two-hop flights to get to anywhere else "big and interesting" to passengers.

Denver being a prime example of this, you're a long haul from anywhere populated in the surrounding states. Vegas is an all day affair getting there and back. Houston or pretty much anywhere but northern Texas, same. Nebraska? Well, maybe Omaha/Lincoln. Wyoming? Cheyenne is close -- that's about it. New Mexico? Santa Fe and Albuquerque are reasonable day hops but one can only go there so often.

So, if I were "selling" GA on the grounds of it being someone's personal flying car, I'd need to get them into a 200 knot aircraft -- and that's not on the cheap end of the spectrum, nor something they're going to start flying in as a beginner, most likely. Operating costs are going to be high, besides acquisition costs.

I think a number of States have this problem. Six hours in a spam can one-way isn't going to woo anyone here to use a personal aircraft for travel when you're not talking the population density of the coastal areas. I've had that conversation with some fairly well off co-workers and such... "So where can you fly to?!"... they say excitedly when they find out I'm a pilot with my own airplane...

"Well, that depends on how fast you want to get there and what you want to see along the way..."

So the personal transportation pitch only works in some portions of the country. Usually what gets more interest here is that I tell them I can leave on my own timetable whenever I want, no baggage line, no TSA grope and grabfest, and no fees for an additional checked bag. I may take five or six hours getting somewhere but it's up to me when I do it. They respond "okay" to that until they hear they'll have to plunk down over $10,000 for the training and then buy an aircraft if they don't want rental hassles.

Oh and they'll still have to cancel flights sometimes for weather and drive anyway... now their interest level is completely gone unless they're the adventurous sort... if they are, they'll ask what interesting places I've been weathered into and if I caught a rental car or hitched a ride and saw anything interesting there.

Remember also that light GA also really isn't a "flying car", a better analogy for knowledge and skill level and total risk is more like "flying motorcycle" all things considered. Some people just do not have the risk tolerance for the real (not the overblown media story) accident rate and necessity to be "on your game" to do a long X-C with any sort of weather system that changes before reaching the destination. Which is pretty likely doing 500-700nm.

Then you shove everyone into an older Mooney to get the speed up and fuel burn down, and they really do feel like they rode there on a motorcycle. Heh.

Don't get me wrong, I love your concept for marketing some areas of the country, but in the wide open West... it's a bit harder of a sales pitch.
 
Looking like some positive data coming out of 2017 so far. According to AVweb "Bucking long-term trends, the General Aviation Manufacturers Association’s first-quarter data shows a 6.3% increase in sales of piston airplanes over the same quarter in 2016. The allocation of sales within the piston market was mostly unremarkable, though Cessna had real gains, shipping 41 piston singles compared to 27 for the prior year period."

41 piston singles is still pretty weak, but the percentage increase is good to see, despite a huge used market out there. I would be curious if the bump in sales was going mostly to private owners, clubs, or schools...

https://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Happy-1st-Quarter-for-Piston-GA-Sales-228996-1.html
 
The biggest boom to GA sadly is not new blood coming into the sport. It's bringing back old timers via BasicMed who will now be able to spike the market for the rapidly obsoleting fleet of Cessnas and Pipers built before 1990.
 
new blood coming into the sport
#dronelife

Just kidding. I hear you. In my age group my wife and I are the only ones with a house and a job and I'm the only I personally know as an active pilot (excluding the club, etc.). I do have one friend who flew choppers, but he's no longer current and the costs keep him from getting current again. The crazy part is, he's an avid sky-diver...

When I invite people up flying I have a usually 30% success rate of people who agree to it. I try to share this hobby with as many people as I can, and have encouraged people who enjoyed flying with me to go up for an introductory flight with a CFI, etc.

The people who agree to come up ALWAYS have a great time and agree to come flying again. They are not interested though in getting their license because it is expensive and daunting. In today's age of super instant gratification the thought of everything that goes into getting a PPL (which, lets be honest, is not that that much) turns people off

The people who don't come up don't do it always for the exact same reason; "small planes are dangerous" <- and I've never been able to convince people otherwise of that. Fears of flying border on phobia status where you cannot ration your way out of it

Oh well
 
#dronelife

Just kidding. I hear you. In my age group my wife and I are the only ones with a house and a job and I'm the only I personally know as an active pilot (excluding the club, etc.). I do have one friend who flew choppers, but he's no longer current and the costs keep him from getting current again. The crazy part is, he's an avid sky-diver...

When I invite people up flying I have a usually 30% success rate of people who agree to it. I try to share this hobby with as many people as I can, and have encouraged people who enjoyed flying with me to go up for an introductory flight with a CFI, etc.

The people who agree to come up ALWAYS have a great time and agree to come flying again. They are not interested though in getting their license because it is expensive and daunting. In today's age of super instant gratification the thought of everything that goes into getting a PPL (which, lets be honest, is not that that much) turns people off

The people who don't come up don't do it always for the exact same reason; "small planes are dangerous" <- and I've never been able to convince people otherwise of that. Fears of flying border on phobia status where you cannot ration your way out of it

Oh well
Another 31 yr old California flyer. I knew I liked you for a reason.
 
Another 31 yr old California flyer. I knew I liked you for a reason.
I think we're not far off either on where we stand in our quest for instrument ratings.. we both scrubbed trips a few weeks ago due to low ceilings. I just spent the weekend in Vegas. I could have flown there Saturday morning, the weather was clear the whole way, but Sunday afternoon had some gusting winds and low ceilings in the socal areas just west of the mountains. The Southwest flight I booked last minute had us coming in over the Julian VOR and the mountains were like a wall.. clear and sunny to the east, cool and mostly overcast with a thick haze to the west

some day

A SoCal PoA meetup would be good...
 
I think we're not far off either on where we stand in our quest for instrument ratings.. we both scrubbed trips a few weeks ago due to low ceilings. I just spent the weekend in Vegas. I could have flown there Saturday morning, the weather was clear the whole way, but Sunday afternoon had some gusting winds and low ceilings in the socal areas just west of the mountains. The Southwest flight I booked last minute had us coming in over the Julian VOR and the mountains were like a wall.. clear and sunny to the east, cool and mostly overcast with a thick haze to the west

some day

A SoCal PoA meetup would be good...

Without derailing too much... trying for Sedona again this weekend. Looks like a solid forecast ahead. But it's May in SoCal so who friggin' knows.
 
trying for Sedona again this weekend
Weather outlook seems promising. I used usairnet for forecasting and wunderground... they seem to be spot on most of the time
 
By the way, as far as "making GA great again" it looks like Icon's core values are at least geared towards that
  • a focus on the non flying public for their product
    • it's fun
    • it's comfortable
    • you can do "stuff" with it that isn't just "pilot" stuff, like go swimming, etc.
  • acknowledging that a PPL is a barrier to entry for many, so they're marketing this as a "learn to fly it in 20 hrs" plane
    • and they'll do the training in their planes
  • tremendous focus on safety
    • stall remarkably docile
    • spin resistant
    • AoA focus (I can hardly write that and keep a straight face)
    • chute
    • lands on water (and land)
    • really doesn't go that fast
    • engine is straightforward
  • focus on training, looks like they learned from Cirrus and reserved their first batch of planes for the training program
  • focus on keeping costs low
    • almost half the price of a non-amphibious, non chute, cramped, $450K 60 year old design
    • trailerable (no joke)
    • one small engine

Now, I agree that they lost their heads a little with the sales contract, crazy and somewhat dangerous marketing, and a host of other things we covered in the other thread. But at face value the Icon seemed to speak to all of our issues and attempt to address them...
 
#dronelife

Just kidding. I hear you. In my age group my wife and I are the only ones with a house and a job and I'm the only I personally know as an active pilot (excluding the club, etc.). I do have one friend who flew choppers, but he's no longer current and the costs keep him from getting current again. The crazy part is, he's an avid sky-diver...

When I invite people up flying I have a usually 30% success rate of people who agree to it. I try to share this hobby with as many people as I can, and have encouraged people who enjoyed flying with me to go up for an introductory flight with a CFI, etc.

The people who agree to come up ALWAYS have a great time and agree to come flying again. They are not interested though in getting their license because it is expensive and daunting. In today's age of super instant gratification the thought of everything that goes into getting a PPL (which, lets be honest, is not that that much) turns people off

The people who don't come up don't do it always for the exact same reason; "small planes are dangerous" <- and I've never been able to convince people otherwise of that. Fears of flying border on phobia status where you cannot ration your way out of it

Oh well

I am 100% sure that drones and FPV will bring young people in GA. RC planes got me into it.
 
RC planes got me into it.
I never had an RC plane growing up but the parking lot of my dad's work would often host RC plane meetups and we'd always hang out there on Sunday afternoons when they were out there. I remember thinking how cool all the planes were, and it definitely had a big impact on me and my love of all things that fly

But... is a drone the same as an RC plane? I feel like they pull at different heart strings. RC planes are difficult to fly and they're labor intensive... people spend hours building those things. Drones are different... they show up in the mail and you take it flying for a few minutes.. they're "cool" and I've seen some great aerial shots, but they're less thrilling. I feel like at least 75% of the fun with RC planes is the build up to it... building it, getting the parts together, etc.

I hope I'm wrong and that drones get people involved in flying, rather than just satiate whatever desire they had to be in the air
 
If anything even close to the Raptor ever materializes, it will fundamentally transform GA. Even a Cirrus is still a pretty big compromise when you're used to travelling around the country in a SUV.

Heck, I'd buy a Raptor tomorrow for $1m if they were certified. And actually existed...

At $130k it's a different ballgame. Even with training it's less than a new Tesla, and Tesla has no problem lining up thousands of people to pay $150k for those.

Wait... you said King for a day, not Wizard for a day. Sigh.
 
Yeah the Raptor would dramatically change the landscape. I can't wait to see a flying example of one. The company's YouTube channel is active so there's progress being made. The biggest challenge to me is the 7 GPH claim... the price tag *could* be do-able, but the 7 GPH claim and well over 200 knots TAS is a tall claim

And yes... it does seem like we are getting into sorcery realm here
 
That author lost me when he quoted the Urban Dictionary for the meaning of "swagger." o_O
 
That author lost me when he quoted the Urban Dictionary for the meaning of "swagger."
There is a small dose hipster (or whatever we want to call it) to the article but I think the general theme was true

1.) airports are seen as bad places (just look at all the closures out there, very sad, I think One Six Right said one airport closes every day on average?)

2.) We stopped celebrating aviation accomplishments - I think that's very true. Outside of aviation circles the general media perception is that airliners are cramped dirty buses and that GA are tiny death traps. As we know, the media isn't doing our hobby any favors. That's why, despite the passionate reactions both Icon and Cirrus (including the jet) evoke in us, at least the SF50 and Icon brought some positive and more "mainstream" media focus to the hobby

3.) Pilots lost their swagger
-Kind of took issue with that one, pilots historically had some "cool" factor and grit to them.. I think those of us on PoA still have that (or at least believe we do), but I think the author has a point that flying isn't seen as "cool" anymore. I used to think being a pilot would be the coolest thing (and I still do) but I think there is also kind of a "geek" perception out there about GA pilots. I think it's true that we've moved away from the days of this:
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Impeach Graves & Shuster. Immediately.
 
Impeach Graves & Shuster. Immediately.
On the radio today (7/19) FAA & ATC Privatization did not make it to the floor today. Obviously other matters have gotten in the way. Have no clue what or why (sarcastic voice).
 
Federal politics in the U.S reminds me of the way a rusty pilot flies an ILS, where the needle slams to the left, and then slams to the right, and then slams to the left and then slams to the right...etc.
 
Make a mandatory job requirement for the Administrator to have 2000 hours in single engine pistons, a CFI rating with at least 500 hours of instruction from non-towered airports, and perhaps the A&P earned in a non-121/135 shop. Everything else you all want will flow from that.

I'm available if anybody should ask :cheers:

Jim
 
Create an affordable VTOL, that has interior room like a minivan, that can take off from a driveway. This would make airports obsolete. Aviation is not convenient anymore, actually it's a pain in the ass! As an owner, your totally reliant on someone else, for every aspect of ownership. It's become way to restrictive.
 
Federal politics in the U.S reminds me of the way a rusty pilot flies an ILS, where the needle slams to the left, and then slams to the right, and then slams to the left and then slams to the right...etc.

Whereas real life goes up and down, and fore and aft, and left and right. The two linearly constructed cults that do the exact same things over and over, are getting pretty old.
 
I would have an airshow similar to Sun and Fun and OSH in California. GA is popular there!
 
Federal politics in the U.S reminds me of the way a rusty pilot flies an ILS, where the needle slams to the left, and then slams to the right, and then slams to the left and then slams to the right...etc.
That only happens if you fly from one coast to the other! ;)
 
Create an affordable VTOL, that has interior room like a minivan, that can take off from a driveway. This would make airports obsolete. Aviation is not convenient anymore, actually it's a pain in the ass! As an owner, your totally reliant on someone else, for every aspect of ownership. It's become way to restrictive.
Who's going to fix your affordable flying Odyssey?
 
Who's going to fix your affordable flying Odyssey?
It's not the people who fix the ship that are the problem. Most people spend more for labor at Mercedes Benz, than they do for a certified mechanic. It's the death by regulations that make the difference.
 
It's not the people who fix the ship that are the problem. Most people spend more for labor at Mercedes Benz, than they do for a certified mechanic. It's the death by regulations that make the difference.

It's symbiotic. My main cost is mechanic's labor, but not because the thing is a money pit, but because the regulations require onerous recurring inspections that the mechanic takes advantage of in order to pad his billable hours. I pay more than I should for others to inspect that which isn't broken. Many o' times, the repetitive invasive nature of said inspections actually breaks things, which I too have to pay for. Self-licking ice cream cone. So who's at fault, the mechanic, or the regs? Distinction without a difference to me as an owner.
 
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