I am teaching myself to fly Cessna 150

[spiderweb]

The C150 is a wonderful airplane. There's an engine and a bit of aluminum, and you think about the laws of physics and go have fun! Absolutely, after I transitioned from a C150 to (what seemed like, at the time) the enormously large C172, I saw how easy it was to land, after all!! XD

 

[gcd89]

Well that's the thing, I've only been introduced to stalls in the 172, did each one a couple times. I don't even remember. In the cherokee I didn't use any. Next time I solo the 172 in the practice area I'll experiment with the rudder. I should need lots of right rudder right?

I'm in a 152. I've never taken a 172 (or anything else for that matter) through stalls or maneuvars.

 

[somorris]

Next time I solo the 172 in the practice area I'll experiment with the rudder. I should need lots of right rudder right?

That's right if you are doing power-on stalls. Get plenty of altitude first. Don't worry about the ball -- look out the front window or if the nose it too high, look out at the left wing. Keep it flying straight and you won't spin as long as the CG is right.

 

[MBDiagMan]

It's a kite.

Yep, Kite is a good way to describe it. That's what makes it such a good trainer.

I've read in mulitple places where many CFI's consider it impossible to teach stalls in a Cherokee. The fact that it won't stall seems to be bad for training, but good for general flying.

My $0.02,
Doc

 

[Skylane81E]

Our 182 will hang at 0 indicated all day too. The Robbie kit makes it a noisy/shaky ride. (Stall fences.)

Wings level with rudder.

Fun party trick is to hang it at 0 indicated and trim it for hands free flight. This is easier in my airplane with people in the back to remove a little of the nose heaviness of a 182.

Now the last time I flew a 172 into a stall the nose was lighter than the elevators ability to lift it so she did stall nice and sharply, but with plenty of warning.

Never stalled a 150, my one 15min flight was enough for me as I just can't cram my legs under the pannel.

 

[zaitcev]

Never stalled a 150, my one 15min flight was enough for me as I just can't cram my legs under the pannel.

There was a seat change in 1973 (without a model letter change), which lowered the seat noticeably. I cannot fit into a pre-1973 at all. But 1976 seems to work.

 

[Skylane81E]

There was a seat change in 1973 (without a model letter change), which lowered the seat noticeably. I cannot fit into a pre-1973 at all. But 1976 seems to work.

Never flew it but I took care of a 152 with the lower seat, better but still not acceptable as I still have issues with my knees blocking the ability to roll.

 

[jesse]

Yep, Kite is a good way to describe it. That's what makes it such a good trainer.

I've read in mulitple places where many CFI's consider it impossible to teach stalls in a Cherokee. The fact that it won't stall seems to be bad for training, but good for general flying.

My $0.02,
Doc

I can get a student to stall a Cherokee. Archer too. Just ask Lynn

I've found that when most people *think* they have the yoke all the way back, they actually don't, and if they do they end up releasing pressure before it breaks subconsciously.

 

[Arbiter419]

I can get a student to stall a Cherokee. Archer too. Just ask Lynn

I've found that when most people *think* they have the yoke all the way back, they actually don't, and if they do they end up releasing pressure before it breaks subconsciously.

Haven't flown an Archer in a while, but falling leaf stalls don't really work with full flaps in a Warrior, it does them best with one notch or none.

 

[mikea]

Fun-nee

I've logged about 2 hours in a C-172, with all of the rest bening in Piper Warriors and mostly my (Yeah. TRUCK!) hershey-bar-wing Piper Cherokee 235. The 172 was owned by a buddy from this online world and he wanted to try flying from the right seat to presage going a for CFI.

I don't remember having any trouble with it, even with making a thumpy landing with the full 40 degrees of flaps...but then I was a very-current cocky new PPL then.

I remember particularly wanting to see what the deal was supposed to be flying a plane that required use of the rudder. That didn't seem much of a big deal, either.

I couldn't fly a 150 so if that's different, I'll guess I'll miss out.

 

[mikea]

...I've read in mulitple places where many CFI's consider it impossible to teach stalls in a Cherokee. The fact that it won't stall seems to be bad for training, but good for general flying.

My $0.02,
Doc

Not true. I still talk about the ball I had doing full stalls in my Cherokee 235 at a Wings Weekend. We had a view of nothing but green fields out front when I recovered. We also made banks so sharp I was using the rudder for elevator.

I told the CFI I wanted to overcome my apprehension of base to final stall/spins and we sure did.

And of course we were wearing 'chutes and stuff... that's my story and....

 

[zaitcev]

Never flew it but I took care of a 152 with the lower seat, better but still not acceptable as I still have issues with my knees blocking the ability to roll.

I can easily see that being the case. I am 200cm tall and the clearance in 150M is marginal (although it's better than in some other airplanes, like Comanche). I think you need a Cirrus

 

[dell30rb]

Whoever said that the gear can make any landing a hero is right.

I trained and recently got my PPL all in a 152 with an "old school" instructor who really taught me how to whip the thing around. Did some spins too. Now a little while later I am looking to get checked out in a Warrior II (28-161) and the thing is an absolute tank compared to the 152. It really was an odd feeling

I have one landing in the warrior but it was a doozie.

Started my checkout by taking off in a crosswind, about 10 kts with a small gust factor. Did some slow flight and stalls on a relatively bumpy day. Amazed at how docile they were. At the suggestion of my instructor I rolled into a 45 degree turn at 70 knots, and yanked the control aft to force a stall. The airplane just sat there and buffeted. No wing drop, nothin. Just held its course and buffeted until I released the back pressure.

After an hour of flying it was getting really windy and bumpy so we headed back to the airport. Following our chief CFI and an instrument student around the pattern in a 172. Turning final the crosswind had kicked up to 13 g 19. I was busy setting flaps and power when i looked up to see the 172 in the weeds on the side of the runway, kicking up dirt and going around. For a 6500 x 140 ft runway, not so good. This is the first time I have really experienced pucker factor in quite awhile!

My approach was crap, I came in over centerline but too fast and maybe a tad high. After getting that under control, I was a few feet off centerline so added some power and flew until I could regain it. Then got hit with a gust and popped up right as I was beginning my "flare"

The end result was a hard touchdown, skidding slightly to the left and a few feet off centerline. Having only landed a 152 I was fully expecting a bounce. In fact I thought I had bounced and was still flying for a second, but the piper soaked up the landing like a champ and tracked straight down the runway.

Looking forward to completing my checkout tomorrow. Too rough to do any short or soft field landings last week.

 

[Skylane81E]

I can easily see that being the case. I am 200cm tall and the clearance in 150M is marginal (although it's better than in some other airplanes, like Comanche). I think you need a Cirrus

A cirrus has only just enough headroom...

I'll stick to my 182:wink2: