How-videos for rope tie down?

gkainz said:
nope - looks like farcebook may have inherited some settings in the repost and still says I'm not part of the cool kid group.



Doesn't show if I sneak into your homepage first, either.
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He's put his daughter up to uploading it elsewhere. I laughed though, he used the rabbit and hole thing too. And that's how I learned those as well...
 
denverpilot said:
He's put his daughter up to uploading it elsewhere. I laughed though, he used the rabbit and hole thing too. And that's how I learned those as well...
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rabbit comes out of his hole is how I learned the bowline as well (and still to this day I can hear my grandpa's voice as I tie it). :D
 
All you bowline guys, I suggest you take a look at the slipped bowline. Same rabbits, trees, and holes, but you just give the free end of the rope a pull to untie the knot.
 
airdale said:
All you bowline guys, I suggest you take a look at the slipped bowline. Same rabbits, trees, and holes, but you just give the free end of the rope a pull to untie the knot.
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AKA "Bowline on a Bight", problem is it defeats half the purpose of a bowline.
 
Stewartb said:
How many days a year?
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:confused::dunno: Not understanding the question. 365 would be the answer I guess, regardless if it's mine or not. Mine I didn't typically tie down much because I'd have it stuck in a hangar if I was parking it for long, but when I did park it outside, I would do as I said.
 
Easy question. How many days this year did you terminate a flight by tying the plane outdoors and driving away? 2? 10? 50? 100? C'mon, man....how many days did you drive away and leave the plane in the elements with no intention of returning until the next flight whether that was tomorrow or next month?

Maybe this question is easier. How many days last year did your plane spend the night in a hangar?
 
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Stewartb said:
Easy question. How many days this year did you terminate a flight by tying the plane outdoors and driving away? 2? 10? 50? 100? C'mon, man....how many days did you drive away and leave the plane in the elements with no intention of returning until the next flight whether that was tomorrow or next month?

Maybe this question is easier. How many days last year did your plane spend the night in a hangar?
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This year? Not many, maybe a dozen, tied it down each time since it was a rental. I don't currently have a plane. Maybe I'm not understanding what you're trying to get at.:dunno:
 
For the first 17 years of flying, tied down almost all the time. One club had hangars for a couple of years. Since owning, with a hangar, not much.
 
Stewartb said:
How many days did you drive away and leave the plane in the elements with no intention of returning until the next flight whether that was tomorrow or next month?
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I think people are confused because the question is so absurd. How many days a year do you leave your car running and walk away with no intention to drive it again?
 
Circuit Flyer said:
Trucker's hitch.
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I really like this knot. (more like a collection of a couple of knots). Really let's you reef down tight, doesn't slip, easy to untie (although the slip-knot loop used for the "pulley" can get pretty tight).

I suppose if I was going to leave one tied permanently I might use a bowline for that "pulley" part of the knot.

It's worth noting, however, that the nature of this method/knot loses a lot of the strength in the line compared to the next two. This is due to how the lines are crossing each other at right angles and making lots of 180 turns under tension. With modern line that's "knot" much of an issue.

wilkersk said:
Midshipman's Hitch is an adjustable sliding loop (allows you to adjust tension without undoing anything) that will hold extremely well when the load (wind) is applied.

Added bonus: Its a really quick and easy knot.

Here's a link:

http://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/midshipmans-hitch
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Scott@KTYR said:
I use a Tautline Hitch

http://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/tautline-hitch/
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Very subtle difference between those two. Never thought much about it. I wonder how significant that second turn is whether it goes after or over that first turn?


JoeSelch said:
That would spoil everything!

http://rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/23141/aircraft-parking-wing-spoilers
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Neat design. Pool noodles are under-rated in their MacGyver-like uses.

airdale said:
All you bowline guys, I suggest you take a look at the slipped bowline. Same rabbits, trees, and holes, but you just give the free end of the rope a pull to untie the knot.
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That little slip knot end is handy and nice, but "knot" necessary. A regular bowline can untie easily if you go at it the right way. I had a V8 moment when someone showed me how to "break the back" of a bowline that had been tied on a jib clew for years.
 
wilkersk said:
Midshipman's Hitch is an adjustable sliding loop (allows you to adjust tension without undoing anything) that will hold extremely well when the load (wind) is applied.

Added bonus: Its a really quick and easy knot.

Here's a link:

http://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/midshipmans-hitch
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I use two midshipmans. On the upper one, I don't add the half hitch, but on the lower one, I add two half hitches.
 
dmspilot said:
I think people are confused because the question is so absurd. How many days a year do you leave your car running and walk away with no intention to drive it again?
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Not absurd at all. Most of you will tie a plane outdoors a few times a year for a few hours. Some of us tie our planes outdoors every day. Me? Every day for 25 years. Winter, summer, wind, rain. If the weather man predicts a 70-80mph wind storm, and those happen several times a year, I may add a second set of ropes. No hangar option. So far so good. My point is that some of you get little exposure to tying planes down in the elements. When a storm blows through Lakeland or OshKosh it shows.
 
Stewartb said:
Not absurd at all. Most of you will tie a plane outdoors a few times a year for a few hours. Some of us tie our planes outdoors every day. Me? Every day for 25 years. Winter, summer, wind, rain. If the weather man predicts a 70-80mph wind storm, and those happen several times a year, I may add a second set of ropes. No hangar option. So far so good. My point is that some of you get little exposure to tying planes down in the elements. When a storm blows through Lakeland or OshKosh it shows.
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That is true. When I lived in CA I tied down every day since there was either no way I could afford a hangar, or they didn't exist.
 
Stewartb said:
question. how often do you guy tie down outdoors?
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Flight deck was outside, hangar deck was inside, so I guess .... 50% of the time? :D oh, and it's hard to throw a bowline on bight with tiedown chains and pad eyes. :lol:
 
gkainz said:
Flight deck was outside, hangar deck was inside, so I guess .... 50% of the time? :D oh, and it's hard to throw a bowline on bight with tiedown chains and pad eyes. :lol:
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Did you guys use chain binders?
 
Henning said:
Did you guys use chain binders?
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Yeah, but the threaded round knob kind, not the over center lever kind, so gorillas would be hard pressed to rip the tiedowns off the a/c with them.

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The a/c handlers staggering around on the flight deck with 100# of chains and binders draped over their shoulders and handsful of chocks were tough dudes!
 
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Thanks to this thread, I have now learned the Midshipsmen Knot. I don't know if I'll ever use it for my plane, but I will try it for tying up my boat when I have to tie up to a dock and all there is is a 2x4. I think it is more effective and faster than what I have been using. Maybe Henning knows an even better one?

As to the airplane, I know there is some sort of argument against them, but I can't remember, what is wrong with using ratchet straps again??
 
Henning: Googling half the knots in your description of your preferred tie down method turns up nothing. Any chance you could give more detail or instructions on the 'magic knot' or the two purchase wrap?


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bluesky74656 said:
Henning: Googling half the knots in your description of your preferred tie down method turns up nothing. Any chance you could give more detail or instructions on the 'magic knot' or the two purchase wrap?


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The 'magic knot' you make a small loop in the line then take the line and tuck another loop up through it creating a fixed loop in the line. It serves the purpose as the lower block in a block and tackle system an when you now take the tail of the line through the tie down ring then back down and through that loop to go back up, you have created a 'purchase' adding leverage then I do that one more time.

The advantage of making the purchase loop with that knot is that no matter how tight it gets tied, it can be removed again by pulling both ends of the line. If you use an overhand knot to create the purchase and pull it tight, it'll take a knife of axe to get it out, especially if it gets wet. The magic knot may get tight enough that you can't pull it out by hand, but tie one end to a tree and the other to a truck, and regardless how tight it is, it comes out.
 
Henning said:
The 'magic knot' you make a small loop in the line then take the line and tuck another loop up through it creating a fixed loop in the line. It serves the purpose as the lower block in a block and tackle system an when you now take the tail of the line through the tie down ring then back down and through that loop to go back up, you have created a 'purchase' adding leverage then I do that one more time.

The advantage of making the purchase loop with that knot is that no matter how tight it gets tied, it can be removed again by pulling both ends of the line. If you use an overhand knot to create the purchase and pull it tight, it'll take a knife of axe to get it out, especially if it gets wet. The magic knot may get tight enough that you can't pull it out by hand, but tie one end to a tree and the other to a truck, and regardless how tight it is, it comes out.
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That sounds like what I call (was taught, taut?) was a "Trucker's Hitch".
 
denverpilot said:
Here's the video.

http://youtu.be/ZEAX4AS7VNg
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Good video. Sort of. Carry your own ropes. A friend's dad would still be alive had he not used chains to tie his Cub. Chains are bad. The Taut Line knot is what I use but I do a series of two and finish the second with a half hitch. Splitting hairs, right? My plane sits outside in Alaska weather and my way has never failed me. His way is good, too. Probably better.

11 or 12mm static climbing rope is wonderful for tying airplanes. It holds knots like your life depends on it. Go figure.
 
So again, is there a reason that ratchet straps are bad for tying down airplanes? What about Rope Ratchets?

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It's not the ratcheting part, it's the hooks have no "mouses" on them, the spring loaded latches that keep them from coming off. When ever the materials get wet they can stretch and then the bouncing can let them come off.
 
Henning said:
It's not the ratcheting part, it's the hooks have no "mouses" on them, the spring loaded latches that keep them from coming off. When ever the materials get wet they can stretch and then the bouncing can let them come off.
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OK, so if the ratchet straps had hooks with "mouses" on them like a carabiner, they would be just as good as rope and a knot?
 
Dav8or said:
OK, so if the ratchet straps had hooks with "mouses" on them like a carabiner, they would be just as good as rope and a knot?
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IMO yes, but remember that the ratchet gives you enough leverage that you can break things, so due caution is required.
 
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