ChrisK
En-Route
You've never met me. You know the TSA's whole "beware of someone carrying a certificate without the corresponding aeronautical knowledge"? Yeah. That's me. And I'm ashamed to admit I'm a CFI, ha.
You've never met me. You know the TSA's whole "beware of someone carrying a certificate without the corresponding aeronautical knowledge"? Yeah. That's me. And I'm ashamed to admit I'm a CFI, ha.
Semi-recently minted VFR pilots, or frankly anyone who is looking to build XC time to start IR training, would be thrilled to be a safety pilot in VMC. I have seen postings on the bulletin board at my local flight school.
The other thing I would recommend is asking local instructors who their IR students are. I've seen deals where IR students (or folks getting current) split the cost of a flight and switch off safety piloting for each other on different legs. As long as you're in VMC you should have a lot of options!
Nope, you got it.I thought you couldn't log XC time when you are acting as safety pilot? I'm aware of all the nuances of acting PIC, sole manipulator of the controls and all that, but I've always hear that only one person can log XC time.
Is that wrong?
I thought you couldn't log XC time when you are acting as safety pilot? I'm aware of all the nuances of acting PIC, sole manipulator of the controls and all that, but I've always hear that only one person can log XC time.
Is that wrong?
Chris, I think you made the same mistake I originally made. The question isn't about logging PIC, it's about logging XC PIC time! (And I think your second reference is supposed to be 91.109(c)) For XC time, we need to look at 61.1(4). All the definitions include a point of landing, and, during takeoff and landing, the safety pilot isn't a required crewmember and therefore cannot log them. Mxalix258 seems to understand that.61.3(c)(1) and 91.109(b) as long as the pilot is endorsed for the aircraft being flown and current to act as pic. There are a dozen threads about that on this board, and it has been quite educational
Chris, I think you made the same mistake I originally made. The question isn't about logging PIC, it's about logging XC PIC time! (And I think your second reference is supposed to be 91.109(c)) For XC time, we need to look at 61.1(4). All the definitions include a point of landing, and, during takeoff and landing, the safety pilot isn't a required crewmember and therefore cannot log them. Mxalix258 seems to understand that.
Here are three Chief Counsel letters that deal with the subject of safety pilots logging X-C.Hm. That is interesting. You are saying that, unless the safety pilot was pic during takeoff and landing phases of flight, they can't log XC. Since most IR candidates are looking for XC time, this makes the safety pilot gig less attractive unless one is switching off PIC legs with the other pilot (which is still valid and valuable).
I probably typoed the second reference. I was on my phone in Panera =)
Hm. That is interesting. You are saying that, unless the safety pilot was pic during takeoff and landing phases of flight, they can't log XC. Since most IR candidates are looking for XC time, this makes the safety pilot gig less attractive unless one is switching off PIC legs with the other pilot (which is still valid and valuable).
I probably typoed the second reference. I was on my phone in Panera =)
That may be a wise political decision, depending on the local circumstances, but just to clarify in my own mind; the restriction on PP being compensated is when acting as PIC, so there would be no legal restriction from compensating a safety pilot, or any other cockpit assistant, provided they are not acting PIC, right?Unless the safety pilot holds a CP or better, just leave the subject of money out of it and you'll be fine with the FAA.
That may be a wise political decision, depending on the local circumstances, but just to clarify in my own mind; the restriction on PP being compensated is when acting as PIC, so there would be no legal restriction from compensating a safety pilot, or any other cockpit assistant, provided they are not acting PIC, right?
If you are paying for the plane why would the safety pilot want any money? I would think that going flying would be enough compensation.
Those of you looking for a safety pilot I recommend you add what aircraft your flying. It will make a difference in who contacts you.
We need a google map of volunteers.. That way you can look and see who is realistically near you..
We need a google map of volunteers.. That way you can look and see who is realistically near you..
If you are paying for the plane why would the safety pilot want any money? I would think that going flying would be enough compensation.
One might counter that statement with the proposition that the value of the service provided by a Private Pilot safety pilot is of such lower value than flight training from a CFI that the flight time the PP can log free (yes, the Chief Counsel says that's OK) is sufficient return for providing that service, but the flight time alone is not sufficient compensation for professional flight training from a CFI.
One might counter that statement with the proposition that the value of the service provided by a Private Pilot safety pilot is of such lower value than flight training from a CFI that the flight time the PP can log free (yes, the Chief Counsel says that's OK) is sufficient return for providing that service, but the flight time alone is not sufficient compensation for professional flight training from a CFI.
One might counter that statement with the proposition that the value of the service provided by a Private Pilot safety pilot is of such lower value than flight training from a CFI that the flight time the PP can log free (yes, the Chief Counsel says that's OK) is sufficient return for providing that service, but the flight time alone is not sufficient compensation for professional flight training from a CFI.