How a jump start made me accidentally transmit on guard...

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We've been moving over quite a distance and I hadn't been able to fly much for a while so I went out this evening to do some practice and make sure I was still comfortable with myself.

When I tried to start up, the starter wasn't engaging so I got a jump. I'm in a 12v system piper so the line guy was able to hook up a one pin external piper connector to their tractor and jump me. Remembering something vaguely about the correct jump start procedure being to only turn the master battery switch on but not the alternator I did this.... I normally treat both switches as one which is probably how I missed it. Anyway the jump did the trick, the engine start right up, I gave the line guy the thumbs up and he disconnected me and backed off. Went through the pre-taxi checklist and at this time I verified that I had the CTAF for the field(uncontrolled) entered in my com1 radio which is a garmin 430w.

I began taxiing out and as the taxiway I was on crossed a runway I keyed my mic and announced I was crossing it..... almost immediately I received a curt response of "ON GUARD!"

This caught me... no pun intended off guard as I was quite sure I'd put the CTAF in and also quite sure I hadn't even set any radios to 121.5. I glanced over at my 430 and the screen was blank!. I stopped on the taxiway to figure it out(no other active aircraft on or around the field at the time). Avionics master was on... tried cycling the power on the 430... nothing. At this point I'm horrified that I just zapped the most expensive avionics in my airplane somehow with the jump(but the avionics master was off!). Then I see it.... the red alternator switch is in the off position. I flip it on, hear a brief squeel in my headset(probably should have shut the avionics off first) and almost immediately the screen on the 430 lights up and it boots.

After it booted, indeed I did have the CTAF frequency entered. Keyed it for a radio check and the FBO replied. With a thorough rechecking of all systems in the cockpit at the runup, the rest of the flight went uneventfully.

What I find interesting is how I somehow was on guard... my guess is that there's something in the 430 that defaults over to 121.5 in event of a power loss... either that or low voltage messed up it's transmit frequency somehow.

Anyway, not a terribly exciting incident but probably a good reminder to double-check even the basic stuff when doing abnormal procedures like a jump-start.
 
Never heard that one before ...

I know if you push the flop button for several seconds on the 430 it will go to guard.
 
At least you weren't using foul language on the ATC frequency thinking you were on intercom. Fairly minor, gives those guard police something to do.
 
Not sure how that happened, but flying CC I heard a funny thing happen on guard. An airliner transmitted an inadvertent call on guard (121.5). Another airliner called him and said he was on guard. The offending pilot then held the mic button down and you could hear the cockpit conversation (barely) The pilot was not amused that the co-pilot has transmitted on guard, but he did it again! The same pilot came back and said; "On guard again". This time the offending pilot said; "We meant to do that, radio check."
 
Actually had that happen once on our 530 in the helicopter. In my case it wasn't a jump and I was actually contacting ATC. They told me twice I was transmitting on guard but I looked down and had the ATC freq set. Reset the avionics switch and then it worked fine. Never seen it happen since.
 
The 430 book says it fails to guard when the unit fails. I forget the specifics for that failure mode, but it's certainly there!

How'd your battery fare the total discharge?
 
I screwed up two-part master switch thing once in my old C172, but I didn't catch it until I was on final to land at College Station, TX (KCLL) after tower had closed, at night. As soon as I cycled it, everything came back on but not before I got that huge "oh ****" adrenalin dump. I was angry at myself.

Checking that switch appears in several places on my checklist now. :D
 
That switch is in my run-up checklist. I turn it off to verify the ammeter changes, and then back on. It's much more reliable than depending on assumed electrical load (LED landing lights don't draw all that much).
 
I screwed up two-part master switch thing once in my old C172, but I didn't catch it until I was on final to land at College Station, TX (KCLL) after tower had closed, at night. As soon as I cycled it, everything came back on but not before I got that huge "oh ****" adrenalin dump. I was angry at myself.

Checking that switch appears in several places on my checklist now. :D

No disrespect intended, but if you need something in several places in your checklist, you're probably not operating your checklist properly.
 
That switch is in my run-up checklist. I turn it off to verify the ammeter changes, and then back on. It's much more reliable than depending on assumed electrical load (LED landing lights don't draw all that much).

That's where I have it as well. I use it to verify the alternator is actually working.

I have it again in the takeoff lists (there are several) as additional confirmation that both sides of the rocker are on.

Examples of other things that appear in multiple places in the lists: landing gear lever DOWN, Flaps UP, Fuel Selector BOTH, etc.

But here's a macho pilot who knows better than Cessna or I do...

No disrespect intended, but if you need something in several places in your checklist, you're probably not operating your checklist properly.

No disrespect intended, but you probably have no idea what you're talking about. :rolleyes:

Some people on this board just take every opportunity to be turbodicks and I have no idea why.
 
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Some people on this board just take every opportunity to be turbodicks and I have no idea why.

The eternal argument is whether the turbodicks are the result of genetics or the result of their environment...

Personally, I don't care one way or the other as long as the keep their turbodicks behind closed doors and don't lure any minors...
 
But here's a macho pilot who knows better than Cessna or I do...

No disrespect intended, but you probably have no idea what you're talking about. :rolleyes:

Some people on this board just take every opportunity to be turbodicks and I have no idea why.

Like calling somebody names for example.
 
Gentlemen, come on now please be mature. This is just silly. I'm the one who pees the farthest.
 
No disrespect intended, but you probably have no idea what you're talking about. :

probably not...maybe you have a good reason to switch your alternator on and off several times before takeoff...I've never flown an airplane that required that.
 
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