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The old stinger hammock trick…True. But they come with a built-in ridge pole that can handle a decent size tarp or tent with no problem. You need shade, I can get you shade.
The old stinger hammock trick…True. But they come with a built-in ridge pole that can handle a decent size tarp or tent with no problem. You need shade, I can get you shade.
I prefer the handling of a taper-wing Piper over the same class of Cessna, but everything else seems to be in the high wings favor. Ingress/egress, fuel sumps, visibility, better basic stability, more comfortable cabin (to me), gravity fuel feed, simpler fuel system etc…. Oh, and Pipers seem to shed their wings more often than Cessna.
I’ve only ever been concerned with shedding wings during aerobatic maneuvers. I’ve flown lots of Cherokees and even helped remove wings from them for transport. Seems pretty robust, but the latest Piper AD reminds us that there is a problem that needs to be addressed.If you are worried about wings coming off, you need a Mooney. One piece tip to tip. Cessna wings are separate and just a few bolts to attach.
You can't have a bubble canopy on a high wing aircraft. The visibility in an AA-1X is fantastic, although it can be a tad warm in hot climates. I'm the AA-5x, they put metal over your head, but I still got a canopy. Free AC during taxi! Can't do that in a high wing.
Otherwise, there is little to choose between high and low wing. They are...different, yet the same in most ways.
Except for the fueling thing, howsa bout thisI trained in Tecnam high-wings, then transitioned to Cherokees and Warriors. I presently own a Beech Musketeer. I prefer low-wings for several reasons, but reason number (1) dwarfs the others: when I am holding short at an uncontrolled airport, waiting to take the runway, I want a clear and unobstructed view of the sky, especially a view of anyone who might be on final. I absolutely hate the restricted view a high-wing provides in that situation.
My other, less important, reasons are:
(2) Ease of entry. At my diminutive size, entering a high-wing requires stepping onto a landing tire or a strut or some such. Stepping onto the wing of my Beech is much easier, and I can set things like a kneeboard or headset on the wing while I sit in the seat and get things sorted in the cockpit.
(3) Ease of fueling. Dragging a fuel hose up a ladder, or even just climbing up to stick the tanks, is a royal pain.
(4) I've knocked my head on a high wing so many times that I'm convinced the only reason people like them is that they now have brain damage from one too many knocks.
(5) I don't like the way a high-wing obstructs visibility in the direction of a turn. This includes obscuring the runway during turns in the pattern.
(6) Low-wings look better. Don't believe me? Try to envision a high-wing version of a P-51. Just doesn't work, does it? Or a high-wing F-16, F-35, SR-71, etc., etc.?
(7) Low-wings are faster. Ever seen a supersonic high-wing?
(8) Low-wings fly higher. Ever seen a high-wing that will fly higher than the space shuttle?
YMMV, of course. Or you just might be in denial.
You can't have a bubble canopy on a high wing aircraft.
I turn toward the landing traffic enough I can see anyone on final. Not sure how this is a problem.when I am holding short at an uncontrolled airport, waiting to take the runway, I want a clear and unobstructed view of the sky, especially a view of anyone who might be on final. I absolutely hate the restricted view a high-wing provides in that situation.
I'm pretty stiff from my football years and my hip replacement. Making that first step up onto a wing, and avoiding the flap which says "No Step" on it, yet still has the wing walk on it, is harder for me than climbing into my 182!Ease of entry. At my diminutive size, entering a high-wing requires stepping onto a landing tire or a strut or some such. Stepping onto the wing of my Beech is much easier, and I can set things like a kneeboard or headset on the wing while I sit in the seat and get things sorted in the cockpit.
I hate the way a low wing obscures what I really need to see in the traffic pattern... someone on final that could be coming right at me! I know where the runway is! I have flown a lot of biplanes though, so maybe I'm just used to not seeing the runway at all!I don't like the way a high-wing obstructs visibility in the direction of a turn. This includes obscuring the runway during turns in the pattern.
I probably am!Or you just might be in denial.
...I hate the way a low wing obscures what I really need to see in the traffic pattern... someone on final that could be coming right at me! I know where the runway is! ...
huh???
When you turn toward the runway, the low wing goes up in the air and blocks your view of anything on a straight-in approach, the same way he says the high wing comes down and blocks his view of the runway.huh???
When you turn toward the runway, the low wing goes up in the air and blocks your view of anything on a straight-in approach, the same way he says the high wing comes down and blocks his view of the runway.
When in the pattern, a low wing blocks your view of traffic in turns. Most critically blocking your view of traffic on final while you’re in the base-to-final turn.
No argument, but it's the same as someone saying they can't see the runway when they're turning. Oh no, maybe they moved it right after I started my turn!!yeah, I can't imagine anyone would ever look at final BEFORE they turn. that would just be silly. looking for traffic while you're turning into that traffic clearly is the way to go. I think I've been doing it wrong all these years.
ATITPPA negates any need for vision, thus wing location is irrelevant.
ATITPPA negates any need for vision, thus wing location is irrelevant.
Is that right? I think maybe the wing position is described relative to the fuselage, not the cockpit. But I'm no aeronautical engineer.Be definition, a HIGH wing is above the cockpit.
Most of the pictures of planes with "high wings" and canopies that have been posted are NOT high wing. They are shoulder wing. Be definition, a HIGH wing is above the cockpit.
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I AM, however, a biologist, which qualifies me to answer questions that are too tough for many in media and politics.
Is that right? I think maybe the wing position is described relative to the fuselage, not the cockpit. But I'm no aeronautical engineer.
That was lowAnd for people like Peter Dinklage, everything is a high wing.
Be definition, a HIGH wing is above the cockpit.
If high wings just didn't need struts (210,177).
Only for a carb equipped engine.High wings have built in, and fail safe fuel pumps.
They're are pros and cons to both. I think high wings have more benefit during initial training.