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JGoodish

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I'm considering replacing the radio head unit in my vehicle with an aftermarket unit (probably Pioneer) in order to improve sound quality and add Bluetooth hands-free calling. I have the option of a unit with or without a HD radio tuner. Is the HD tuner worth it, even in the age of Pandora?


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JKG
 
How much $$$ ?

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$40-$50 difference, depending on the retailer.


JKG

I'm not sure there's enough there to warrant that kind of difference. I have a JVC add-on unit that's sitting on the floor of my office that I probably paid WOOT $20 for. Tried it a couple of times, found it lackluster, never bothered to fully install.

That said, in some markets the broadcasters have added additional channels using the technology. In many cases, it's the same-old stuff. In others, it's useful & unique (here in DC, one of the NPR outlets runs niche music programmning). But it's still not the variety of live programming (like news & sports....) that one can get with satellite.

If you're doing it for music, Pandora/other online stream is a better choice. If you're doing it for local content, forget it - in many markets you don't get anything local on broadcast. If you're be doing it for talk or niche programming, check and see what's available.

On AM, digital offers a marked quality increase, but decreased range. On FM, the range is close or slightly reduced, with quality in the same ballpark as the current FM (depending on how the station processes it's audio). If your receiver loses the digital signal, it reverts back to analog.

I'm not sure I'd pay $50 extra, but I might pay $10-20. If it's $100, I wouldn't pay it. At $0, I'd take it.
 
At $100 I wouldn't do it. For $50 or under, yeah. It's nice to have. A lot of stations have more than one stream, so your chances of finding a station actually playing music instead of car dealer commercials is higher. There's a definite (though not huge) difference in quality between analog and digital FM.
 
The bigger issue is are there such stations near you. Unfortunately, the pickings get leaner when you get away from the metro areas. I've found heading down through SW Virginia that not only is the only thing we can hear is religious stations, but at night, it's three stations simoulcasting the same religious programming.
 
I can easily hear the difference in quality between non-HD radio and HD, and to me it is easily worth the difference, but I'm a musician and have done enough production that my ears notice the difference immediately. Same for me on HD TV.
 
Gents,

I appreciate the feedback, and it more or less confirmed my own suspicions regarding quality, programming, and range. When i listen to radio, it is kost often talk radio, although a majority of the time I'm probably listening to MP3 or Pandora.

I'm not sure what direction the industry is moving, but I'm guessing toward HD. If that is true, it may be increasingly beneficial to have the HD capability, although from what I understand, Pioneer's radios are upgradable.

The big reason I'm looking to swap out the head unit is to get hands free calling, since I do not like headsets and need to be able to take calls while moving.


JKG
 
Buy for the features you'll use. Unlike digital TV, the FCC has no plans to sunset analog broadcasting. At least not until they can find a way to auction the spectrum, at which point they'll probably have to subsidize radios just like they did with TV converters.

Ron's point is well taken: it does you no good if you're living in an area where radio programming is not particularly interesting.
 
I use HD Radio at home. Here in NYC multipath distortion (I have about a zillion steel frame buildings between me and the transmitter) renders straight FM radio almost unlistenable due to the severe distortion and other noise present.

HD radio was the solution.

-Skip
 
I can easily hear the difference in quality between non-HD radio and HD, and to me it is easily worth the difference, but I'm a musician and have done enough production that my ears notice the difference immediately. Same for me on HD TV.
That's interesting. I haven't listened to HD radio, but I've read many complaints that it's not "HD" in the sense of how TV went from standard def to high def, with a huge increase in picture resolution. HD radio is just digital, and often compressed at that, so the "HD" in HD radio appears to be more of a coattail-riding marketing scam.
 
That's interesting. I haven't listened to HD radio, but I've read many complaints that it's not "HD" in the sense of how TV went from standard def to high def, with a huge increase in picture resolution. HD radio is just digital, and often compressed at that, so the "HD" in HD radio appears to be more of a coattail-riding marketing scam.

This.

The implementation that MOST broadcasters use (certainly not all) there is little difference between the transmitted quality on the main digital channel vs the analog channel. There MAY be a difference in the way the receiver treats the different signal paths. One "feature" of HD radio (if implemented in the station/receiver) is the ability to transition back to analog if the digital signal is lost. That's not universal, however. If it is implemented, there is good reason to keep the quality as close to the same as possible.

The other factor is "how much of the bit rate is dedicated to each channel". In other words, if the total bitstream is 100 kb/sec, either the entire bitstream can be dedicated to higher quality audio, or it can be divided (say, 60 KB/s for primary channel and 2- 20 KB/s secondary channels). That's at the choice of the station (which has to pay Ibiquity a royalty as a percentage of revenue from the secondary channels). Part of the incremental cost of a radio receiver is the royalty to Ibiquity from the receiver manufacturer.

The biggest audio improvement occurs on the AM side - moving from very narrow-band AM analog (driven by tight filters in receivers) to a much better digital signal. That doesn't come "free" as error correction goes only so far, and the signal can be subject to seriously reduced range and drop-outs (or reversions to analog). If you're in a place where you can get "HD" from the AM side, you'll find good audio.... just don't expect much range with it.

On the FM side, most broadcasters are opting for multiple channels rather than highest quality, so the quality improvement on a good radio is not that significant. In areas where there's a lot of multipath, you'll probably find it to be better on HD unless the multipath is so bad that it wipes out the digital signal. Most of us folks over 40 don't hear frequencies about 10-12 KHz anyway (FM transmits up to 15 KHz)... so (draw your conclusion).

But the original question is whether or not there is enough content on HD (as compared to Pandora/other internet services) to compel the additional cost of an HD radio. In my opinion, and solely my opinion, there's not enough there in most markets to warrant more than $20-ish to $30-ish extra. Heck, in many markets broadcast radio is simply no longer compelling - there's really no difference between 50 radio stations in a state playing the same jukebox music that one can do themselves on Pandora. Radio has great potential to be local, but in many markets it doesn't live up to that potential (in many markets it does - mostly big cities like NY, DC, Boston, LA, Cincinnati, Minneapolis, Chicago, etc).
 
My experience was driving around in a borrowed car, as mine doesn't have an HD radio. As I would drive in and out of HD reception the difference was clear as day, and I could easily tell when I tuned a station that didn't have an HD broadcast vs. one that did. It's not by any means great, but it can make an otherwise unlistenable FM broadcast more bearable.

It could also be that if I had a better analog FM radio it could help just as much.
 
Thanks to all who responded. It doesn't sound like there is a compelling case for HD Radio based on content at this point. There are several HD stations in my area that have slightly expanded music content, and some which appear to simulcast AM stations on FM (sports and talk). However, I live probably 25-30 miles from most of the transmitters (in or near the city) so I'm not sure how reception would be out my way.

The greater question is whether the industry as a whole will move toward HD in the future, but it doesn't sound like there's a big push to do so.


JKG
 
I'll throw the practical comment...

It's what, $30?

Use the radio for 10 years in the car, that's $3/year.

Wasting time sweating it. Buy whatever you like. There's not a significant order of magnitude difference in the price tag. ;)

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If I was buying a new radio today, I'd get it.
 
I'll throw the practical comment...

It's what, $30?

Use the radio for 10 years in the car, that's $3/year.

Wasting time sweating it. Buy whatever you like. There's not a significant order of magnitude difference in the price tag. ;)

This message, brought to you by the application of the ten-year rule. "Will it matter in ten years?(TM)"

Yes, 50 bucks doesn't even buy you a tank of gas.
 
I'll throw the practical comment...

It's what, $30?

Use the radio for 10 years in the car, that's $3/year.

Wasting time sweating it. Buy whatever you like. There's not a significant order of magnitude difference in the price tag. ;)

This message, brought to you by the application of the ten-year rule. "Will it matter in ten years?(TM)"

I didn't say that I was sweating it, just asking about it. I agree that $30-$50 is a small price for some investment protection (assuming that HD radio doesn't fizzle out), but there is a much larger price difference for some radios.

In any case, the target vehicle is already 6 years old, so I doubt that I will still have it in another 10 years. However, I would likely put the stock head unit back and keep the better unit if I were to sell the vehicle.


JKG
 
I'll throw the practical comment...

It's what, $30?

Use the radio for 10 years in the car, that's $3/year.

Wasting time sweating it. Buy whatever you like. There's not a significant order of magnitude difference in the price tag. ;)

This message, brought to you by the application of the ten-year rule. "Will it matter in ten years?(TM)"

Take some time to understand the propagation and interference characteristics.... See if your conclusion changes.....
 
Take some time to understand the propagation and interference characteristics.... See if your conclusion changes.....

Already do. What's that got to do with spending $30 on it? ;)

Broadcast = Push button, hear massively syndicated BS from Clearchannel.

Doesn't really matter if its in HD or not. ;)

More fun just to watch the HD go in and out and figure out why. (Oh, big reflective buildings... Neat!)

As someone else has pointed out, broadcast ain't "mission critical" any more. Heck, the broadcasters have their own iPhone apps these days.

(Clearchannel, is the iHeartRadio App... I will assume that means they "heart" my LTE. Haha.)

I'm a old school local broadcast buff, but I'm as likely to be listening to AM, FM, LiveATC pumped through the accessory jack, a podcast from the phone or iPad, Pandora, or the XM subscription in the truck. Or the ham radio gear...

The one underused piece of hear in here is the CD changer. There's a few in there but they rarely get played.

It's a cheap add on that maybe will have something else interesting to listen to.

The Havis console for the two-way gear finally arrived a few days ago, so it's time to mount more radios in here. ;)
 
Already do. What's that got to do with spending $30 on it? ;)

Maybe I'm cheap, and that's $30 that I could spend on something else? :-)


As someone else has pointed out, broadcast ain't "mission critical" any more. Heck, the broadcasters have their own iPhone apps these days.

(Clearchannel, is the iHeartRadio App... I will assume that means they "heart" my LTE. Haha.)

And none of that stuff really requires LTE. Pandora works just fine over AT&T's EDGE network, which is pretty slow, but bandwidth requirements for audio streaming are fairly light (and it's buffered, of course). I figure that I probably stand a better chance at hanging on to cellular signal than I do an HD Radio signal.

I'm not going to pick a radio based on HD, because it's probably one of the least important considerations for me, but an extra $30-$50 to have it integrated might be worth it. I'll probably narrow down the good radio choices and see where I can find the best deal.


JKG
 
Maybe I'm cheap, and that's $30 that I could spend on something else? :-)




And none of that stuff really requires LTE. Pandora works just fine over AT&T's EDGE network, which is pretty slow, but bandwidth requirements for audio streaming are fairly light (and it's buffered, of course). I figure that I probably stand a better chance at hanging on to cellular signal than I do an HD Radio signal.

I'm not going to pick a radio based on HD, because it's probably one of the least important considerations for me, but an extra $30-$50 to have it integrated might be worth it. I'll probably narrow down the good radio choices and see where I can find the best deal.


JKG

With HD radio you aren't incurring data charges if that is an issue. That has value to me. I have a grandfathered AT&T plan. It won't last forever.
 
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