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Just remember kids, those little kids at the airport fence might just be the "wrong hands" trying to get to your airplane! Gasp!

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I don't know if I should laugh or cry at that?


Conflicted.
 
Well, the completely incompetent people need a job doing something... it might as well be working at TSA.
 
Seriously? You guys see a problem with the ad? Granted it is a poor ad, but I see a little innocent girl dreaming about flying airplanes someday, and we, as pilots need to guard our airplanes (and our hobby) so the bad guys don't hurt her or GA for her future. :dunno:
 
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Geico266 said:
Seriously? You guys see a problem with the ad?

I see a little innocent girl dreaming about flying airplanes someday. We, as pilots need to guard our airplanes (and our hobby) so the bad guys don't hurt her or GA for her future. :dunno:

Geez!
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Look at it from a different perspective... it is almost as if they are trying to portray the child as a threat to aircraft. A lot of signs have a theme where the bad guy is depicted as a threat.
 
Bob Noel said:
Look at it from a different perspective... it is almost as if they are trying to portray the child as a threat to aircraft. A lot of signs have a theme where the bad guy is depicted as a threat.
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A 3 year old girl? :dunno:

I cant imagine a threat from her except to my candy stash.

Just sayin...
 
Is that a REAL TSA ad or something photoshopped and thrown up on facebook?
 
Geico266 said:
A 3 year old girl? :dunno:

I cant imagine a threat from her except to my candy stash.

Just sayin...
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and hence the irony? the humor? the sillyness?
 

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Geico266 said:
Okay, I guess, but I still think we should be vigilant. I have called security more than once concerning suspicious behavior. Never on a 3 year old. :no:
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Have you seen the TSA goons make a 3 year old take off her tiny shoes when going through "security"?
 
Bob Noel said:
Could be.

I can find this one (which is also pretty stupid)
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That one does appear to be real....and I agree it is also silly.

If you look closely at what Nate posted, it is obviously a photo-shopped one of two separate images. The bottom statement looks like it was on a flyer/handout.

That said....I still hate the TSA.
 
Do you guys park outdoors at unfenced airports? If so, do you lock your planes? Why? Why not just leave the keys in it?
 
My planes have parked outside at a public airport without fenced security for 25 years. There are restricted area signs posted by the state but nobody obeys them, including a handful of you guys here no doubt. Anyone here ever driven around Lake Hood? Personally I see some real advantages for fences and secured gates.
 
Stewartb said:
My planes have parked outside at a public airport without fenced security for 25 years. There are restricted area signs posted by the state but nobody obeys them, including a handful of you guys here no doubt. Anyone here ever driven around Lake Hood? Personally I see some real advantages for fences and secured gates.
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So you think the TSA is saving the world?

The disgust isn't necessarily about fences and signs.
 
Stewartb said:
Do you guys park outdoors at unfenced airports? If so, do you lock your planes? Why? Why not just leave the keys in it?
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What light aircraft door lock is worth its weight?

iow - the door lock doesn't slow anyone down (except the poor owner that forgot her keys)
 
Most door locks will take any key ,if they have been used for often. If someone wants your plane they will get it.
 
The only useful thing fences around airports here do is trap deer in the airport that will scare the hell out of you when you land between a handful of them.

They sure the hell don't stop anyone from getting on the airport that's up to no good. Most of the time you can just go through the unlocked gate, when you can't do that, you can climb over the fence, and if you can't climb over the fence you can cut through in about 10 seconds.
 
Most door locks can be upgraded with Medeco key cylinders. Simple. Better yet, throw the door lock levers from inside through the baggage door like I do. That'll keep them out.
 
For those that think door locks should be more effective, consider that the bigger risk is someone breaking into the airplane to steal avionics. I'd rather have them pick the lock and steal the avionics than pry open (or smash open) the door and steal the avionics. Avionics can be replaced (let the insurance company pick up that bill). The potential damage to the airframe could be catastrophic if the door locks were really secure.
 
Bob Noel said:
For those that think door locks should be more effective, consider that the bigger risk is someone breaking into the airplane to steal avionics. I'd rather have them pick the lock and steal the avionics than pry open (or smash open) the door and steal the avionics. Avionics can be replaced (let the insurance company pick up that bill). The potential damage to the airframe could be catastrophic if the door locks were really secure.
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I think the thought is that, if they can't pick the locks easily, they will move on to another airplane. Isn't that why people lock their car doors? House doors? Thieves can always break the windows unless they are barred. I think all security measures are meant to make things just a little bit harder, not to be impenetrable.
 
Everskyward said:
I think the thought is that, if they can't pick the locks easily, they will move on to another airplane. Isn't that why people lock their car doors? House doors? Thieves can always break the windows unless they are barred. I think all security measures are meant to make things just a little bit harder, not to be impenetrable.
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If the thieves decide they want the specific avionics in your airplane, they won't move onto an easier mark because of a door lock - they'll just pry open the door,

I do understand the concept of making your property less appealing to thieves by making it harder to break into - kind of like when hiking in the woods and not needing to outrun the big grizzly bear, just needing to run faster than your hiking companion.
 
Geico266 said:
Okay, I guess, but I still think we should be vigilant. I have called security more than once concerning suspicious behavior. Never on a 3 year old. :no:
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Agreed, we should be vigilant.
But I also agree that the 3-y/o on the security sign is funny. An ad ad absurdum, to take it ad absurdum on my side. :) I believe it was meant as a joke. If we lose our humor, we are nothing but apes.
 
Stewartb said:
Do you guys park outdoors at unfenced airports? If so, do you lock your planes? Why? Why not just leave the keys in it?
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Before I bought it, my ride used to live in an open front hangar with the key hanging from a nail on the wall.

I have it in a hangar so I don't particularly worry about my tools, headsets, etc. It's easy enough to start and fly the airplane without the key (which only controls the starter and the Hobbs).
 
Bob Noel said:
For those that think door locks should be more effective, consider that the bigger risk is someone breaking into the airplane to steal avionics. I'd rather have them pick the lock and steal the avionics than pry open (or smash open) the door and steal the avionics. Avionics can be replaced (let the insurance company pick up that bill). The potential damage to the airframe could be catastrophic if the door locks were really secure.
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You'd be better off with the door unlocked. The lock sure the hell isn't going to slow down someone that wants your avionics. They also aren't going to even try to pick it. If you're lucky they're going to stick a flat head screw driver in it, whack it with a 5 lb hammer a time or two, and open the door. If you're unlucky they're going to just stick a crow bar in the door and bend your door and surrounding structure.

I once lived in a bad neighborhood. I never left anything valuable in the car, hell it didn't even have a stereo. I had the window broken twice.

How did I stop them from breaking my window? I just quit locking the car. Didn't leave anything in it worth stealing. Problem went away.
 
Frankly I have no interest in being vigilant. Or being a vigilante. Your business at the airport is yours and mine is mine.

I don't give a crap if I see you loading your airplane with C-4 as long as you parked it somewhere away from my hangar.

Maybe you have an explosives business and license. Maybe you're a terrorist. Not my job to find out nor report anything.

As far as the graphic goes, no idea where it came from. The point is the absurdity isn't all that far off, even if it's a fabrication.
 
jesse said:
The only useful thing fences around airports here do is trap deer in the airport that will scare the hell out of you when you land between a handful of them.

They sure the hell don't stop anyone from getting on the airport that's up to no good. Most of the time you can just go through the unlocked gate, when you can't do that, you can climb over the fence, and if you can't climb over the fence you can cut through in about 10 seconds.
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This.
 
At the class C where I'm based, you have to have a badge to get to your hangar. You can escort people who do not have a badge. You MAY NOT escort someone who has a badge but does not have it with them.

When pressed about this issue at a hangar tenant meeting, the stated reason was "mumble mumble access control mumble mumble". They tried to sell the whole "if someone's badge was revoked, we don't want them on property". Until it was pointed out that if their badge has been revoked, they technically NO LONGER HAVE A BADGE and then it's legal to escort them. The law as written only keeps out valid badge holders who do not have it in their possession.
 
Dav8or said:
Absolutely it's fabricated. Just somebody having a laugh. I really hope you guys didn't think that was an official publication.
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Agree, upon closer look, it is indeed fake. But that's the problem with the TSA: there are some real idiots in that organization and honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if they genuinely produced such an ad.
 
Geico266 said:
Seriously? You guys see a problem with the ad? Granted it is a poor ad, but I see a little innocent girl dreaming about flying airplanes someday, and we, as pilots need to guard our airplanes (and our hobby) so the bad guys don't hurt her or GA for her future. :dunno:
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WHAT!? I see a blonde-haired radical Muslim terrorist dreaming of turning a 747 into a meat missile. Thank God for the fence! :D
 
Mistake Not... said:
At the class C where I'm based, you have to have a badge to get to your hangar. You can escort people who do not have a badge. You MAY NOT escort someone who has a badge but does not have it with them.

When pressed about this issue at a hangar tenant meeting, the stated reason was "mumble mumble access control mumble mumble". They tried to sell the whole "if someone's badge was revoked, we don't want them on property". Until it was pointed out that if their badge has been revoked, they technically NO LONGER HAVE A BADGE and then it's legal to escort them. The law as written only keeps out valid badge holders who do not have it in their possession.
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And then there was the REAL reason - "Do it my way because I said so".

Kind of like some of the posts in this thread...

I am so tired of "political safety". The TSA is completely worthless. We would have safer airplanes if we didn't search anyone at all. Anyone who thinks 911 could happen again has lost their minds. Most of us would fight to the death to stop it. You could have a dozen terrorists and it wouldn't matter at all. Even an 80 year old granny would be beating them with her purse.
 
BigBadLou said:
Now how many TSA agents did it take to tackle, taze and cuff her? I bet they'd send at least a dozen. :D
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That's why next year's budget needs to include allocations for double that amount. You can't get complacent with terrorists!

Of course it's only to completely safeguard America's freedom! :yes:
 
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