Guy pulls a pistol at Gaston's Resort bar...

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Jxxxxx Mxxxxxx Sxxxxx, 67, of Holiday Island, was on the docket for arraignment on an aggravated assault charge. However, Prosecutor Ron Kincade told the court due to Sxxxxxx's mental state it was decided it would be better to not bring him from the jail. According to Kincade, there's been a preliminary psychological evaluation and a determination needs to be made about the next step.

A not-guilty plea was entered on Sxxxx's behalf. He's accused getting into an argument with a bar employee at Gaston's White River Resort, and, after returning, got into a physical altercation and pulled a pistol. A bartender and a resort patron managed to subdue Sxxxxx.
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Source: http://www.baxterbulletin.com/artic...0/1002/Two-men-arraigned-weekend-disturbances
 
That guy is lucky he didn't decide to do that during a certain June weekend.
 
Why are we censoring his name?

Its James Michael Sloan for anyone that is curious.
 
Deja Vu of Bruce hammering on the restaurant manager.
 
mikea said:
Ummmm...where is the bar at Gastons?
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Inside the restaurant, walk forward from the front door, then, when you are about to go downstairs, turn around (so that the bicycles are behind you). There's a salad bar there, and IIRC, a bar right behind that.
 
The thing is, when you see someone with a drawn pistol in such a situation & not having heard the conversation that led up to it, unless he is taking people out randomly...how can you know he needs taking down?? You want to make d___ sure you know what is going on; he could be the good guy!
Probably a good topic for a new HT thread. "Identifying the BGs."
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
The thing is, when you see someone with a drawn pistol in such a situation & not having heard the conversation that led up to it, unless he is taking people out randomly...how can you know he needs taking down?? You want to make d___ sure you know what is going on; he could be the good guy!
Probably a good topic for a new HT thread. "Identifying the BGs."
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I'd say 9 times out of 10, the bartender isn't the bad guy....

Just sayin'.
 
SkyHog said:
I'd say 9 times out of 10, the bartender isn't the bad guy....

Just sayin'.
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That is a good point though. Nine times out of then the bartender isn't the bad guy, but what if it is something else. What happens if say you hear shooting in a mall, and when you come around the corner three guys are standing there with guns? Which one is the shooter, are there more than one shooter, or are they all three shooters? I mean, maybe you aren't the only one to show up with a gun to save the day. You would not be helping matters if you plugged a fellow hero. Just a thought.
 
Maxmosbey said:
That is a good point though. Nine times out of then the bartender isn't the bad guy, but what if it is something else. What happens if say you hear shooting in a mall, and when you come around the corner three guys are standing there with guns? Which one is the shooter, are there more than one shooter, or are they all three shooters? I mean, maybe you aren't the only one to show up with a gun to save the day. You would not be helping matters if you plugged a fellow hero. Just a thought.
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That type of question was discussed in the CC course I attended. The lesson was to not insert yourself into a situation: the weapon was only for self (and companions) protection. Specific points included knowing who was the BG and whether or not anyone had your back.
 
Maxmosbey said:
That is a good point though. Nine times out of then the bartender isn't the bad guy, but what if it is something else. What happens if say you hear shooting in a mall, and when you come around the corner three guys are standing there with guns? Which one is the shooter, are there more than one shooter, or are they all three shooters? I mean, maybe you aren't the only one to show up with a gun to save the day. You would not be helping matters if you plugged a fellow hero. Just a thought.
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That's why you don't walk into a confrontation ready to do battle. Either you witnessed the whole thing and you know, or you're the one defending yourself. Any other situation and you STFU, and let the cops deal with it when they get there.

I wouldn't expect anyone to walk into a bar and immediately pull their gun because someone has their's pointed at the bartender.

However, if you walk into the bar, see the situation, and then the guy with the gun says something like "Gimme your money" then its pretty obvious.
 
SkyHog said:
However, if you walk into the bar, see the situation, and then the guy with the gun says something like "Gimme your money" then its pretty obvious.
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Hopefully the "guy with the gun" doesn't have a buddy (accomplice?) off to the side where you can't see him (her).

Gary
 
SkyHog said:
That's why you don't walk into a confrontation ready to do battle. Either you witnessed the whole thing and you know, or you're the one defending yourself. Any other situation and you STFU, and let the cops deal with it when they get there.

I wouldn't expect anyone to walk into a bar and immediately pull their gun because someone has their's pointed at the bartender.

However, if you walk into the bar, see the situation, and then the guy with the gun says something like "Gimme your money" then its pretty obvious.
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You never shoot any one who isn't pointing a gun at you, but when they do you kill them.
 
Gary said:
Hopefully the "guy with the gun" doesn't have a buddy (accomplice?) off to the side where you can't see him (her).

Gary
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Step 1: Assess the situation fully. If you can't be 100% sure, then you have no business trying to insert yourself into the situation.

Tom-D said:
You never shoot any one who isn't pointing a gun at you, but when they do you kill them.
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Step 2: Demand their attention. They'll either know they're screwed and submit, or they'll try to make the move on you.

Never, ever shoot anyone who isn't pointing their gun at you. That rule should apply to cops too, IMHO.
 
Tom-D said:
You never shoot any one who isn't pointing a gun at you, but when they do you kill them.
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If someone has the drop on you, can you draw your pistol and shoot them before they shoot you? Would you try? Would you do something to distract them, then make your move? What would you do under that circumstance? Just throwing things out for the sake of discussion. I don't have the answer.
 
Maxmosbey said:
If someone has the drop on you, can you draw your pistol and shoot them before they shoot you? Would you try? Would you do something to distract them, then make your move? What would you do under that circumstance? Just throwing things out for the sake of discussion. I don't have the answer.
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I don't what if ........
 
Maxmosbey said:
If someone has the drop on you, can you draw your pistol and shoot them before they shoot you? Would you try? Would you do something to distract them, then make your move? What would you do under that circumstance? Just throwing things out for the sake of discussion. I don't have the answer.
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Maybe. Its all situation dependent.
 
SkyHog said:
Maybe. Its all situation dependent.
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I think that you're right about that. I was just sitting here thinking about "what if." I don't think that if someone had the drop on me that I could draw and shoot faster than the person who had the drop on me could. But if I thought that person was going to leave no witnesses, I was just wondering when it would be best to make a move. I'm thinking the sooner the better. I'm thinking that his first thought is to get whatever he wants from me, and his second thought is going to be how he is going to silence me. I would want to move while he is thinking about how he is going to get what he wants. Perhaps under those circumstances you might get a hesitation.
 
If someone has their gun pointed at you that means they can shoot you. You need to be damn sure about a situation before you draw your weapon and your intention when you do so should be to fire. You also need to be familiar with the laws of the state in which you're in.

In the state of Nebraska if someone were to be holding someone at gunpoint and you're absolutely positive that they are the aggressor in the situation you can legally draw your firearm and shoot them in the back. You could also do the same if they had kidnapped your kid or were committing rape.

My opinion is that if the gun is pointed away from me I will attempt to give a warning but the moment it moves in my direction I'll be firing. I'm not going to wait until it's pointed at me and in the states I carry in you're not required to do so.

If you decide to help someone else out you need to be aware of the fact that you're taking on significant civil and criminal and physical risk. Something you need to think about in advance and decide if you'd be willing to do so.

As far as your ability to shoot someone before they shoot you - really is skill dependent. In a stressful situation it's damn hard to hit someone with a pistol. Practice often. Generally the other idiot hasn't.
 
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AuntPeggy said:
Shootout at the OK corral? Remind me to stay away.
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OK! We will! Remind you that is. :D


Anything less than a .45 is just plain uncivilized. :D


Yee haw! Now everyone shoot their sixguns into the saloon's ceiling! :rolleyes2:
 
sba55 said:
Seriously. All you crazy gun nuts are giving the reasonable gun fans a bad rep. That's not a good strategy.
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Please show me where the crazy comments were.
 
It's tough to be considered a serious threat at Gaston's when you're too drunk to crawl in a straight line.

jesse said:
Please show me where the crazy comments were.
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wabower said:
It's tough to be considered a serious threat at Gaston's when you're too drunk to crawl in a straight line.
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True. Not that any of us have ever consumed that much alcohol at Gastons :) Actually, the only person I've seen too drunk to crawl at Gastons was Felix.
 
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