Google Will Build ADS-B Out

L3's newly announced box is priced reasonably. I'm interested to see what Google can do.
 
Waiting for Amazon ----> Only $19.95
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((Wait, that's Billy Mays ...))
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If enough unmanned aircraft need or benefit from ADS-B out it should help drive down prices for all. I'd hope.
 
The price is sure to fall ,now that more companies are getting involved. Going to check out the L3 product at sun n fun.
 
I trust google to make a solid product much more than the others.

Reason 754 not to be a early adopter.
 
3393RP said:
L3's newly announced box is priced reasonably. I'm interested to see what Google can do.
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I am really excited to see the transponder replacement ADS-B solutions. My king transponder is getting long in the tooth, so a box that takes care of it all is appealing. I expect Garmin will be along shortly with something similar that will play nicely with the GNS and GTN.
 
I've heard MANY pilots complain that the ADS-B Out will be a government tracking tool.
And now Google jumped on the bandwagon? I don't think we have to worry about the government anymore. :lol:
Imagine landing somewhere and immediately getting spam on your phone with local hotels, brothels, hot dates, shoe stores and penile enlargement clinics. :D
 
No one is going to make any money "mining" your adsb data. As a Google employee who actually does work with some of our key data that does have Direct monetary value, I couldnt see the company caring less about where and when you decide to fly your little bugsmasher. It's blatantly obvious that Google would want to speed adsb adoption since that will generally allow Google to speed aviation innovation by giving more effective ways to avoid collision.
 
James331 said:
I trust google to make a solid product much more than the others.
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Wow. I take it that you have not used much Google software. Google's philosophy is to repeatedly throw something primitive at the wall and see if it sticks. Projects appear and then are abandoned, together with any users that might have been foolish enough to buy in. If something sticks, they then make uncoordinated and amateurish efforts to improve it. I am thinking about Google spreadsheets scripting here, which after five years is not even at alpha-level quality. Functionality is seriously incomplete and documentation is so poor you can't even call it "incomplete" -- more like "hardly started."

When Google gets bored with something they will abandon it without the slightest concern for anyone using it. Google Maps API change from 2.x to 3.x is a somewhat old example. Another is the abandonment of classic maps and its users in favor of the feature incomplete and ponderously slow New Maps. Typical forum thread: https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/maps/uRP5HJMFD5c[101-125]

Note the press release contains comments from the Project Wing manager that show he recognizes this cultural issue. The problem is that he thinks that in 3-4 months he has successfully changed it. Not a chance. When it comes from the top (in any company), one little manager in one little provincial outpost cannot expect to successfully swim against the tide.
 
I saw this appear on 4/1. Sure it's not an April Fools joke?
 
mercurial said:
No one is going to make any money "mining" your adsb data. As a Google employee who actually does work with some of our key data that does have Direct monetary value, I couldnt see the company caring less about where and when you decide to fly your little bugsmasher. It's blatantly obvious that Google would want to speed adsb adoption since that will generally allow Google to speed aviation innovation by giving more effective ways to avoid collision.
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You think small.

Where does the top 5,000 wealthiest people fly their airplane too? With the right program, you could detect trends and intercept deals in the works.


And if google wants to know my porn and tool buying habits, they sure as hell want my flying habits too.
 
James331 said:
I trust google to make a solid product much more than the others.
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airdale said:
Wow. I take it that you have not used much Google software.
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I would think the Google device will be engineered and tested to the point that it is a functional and reliable system. It has to meet certification standards. That's a bit more complex than making a word processing platform which is free.
 
3393RP said:
I would think the Google device will be engineered and tested to the point that it is a functional and reliable system.
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Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. I am curious, though, if you have any progamming or other technical experience working with Google's software.

3393RP said:
It has to meet certification standards. That's a bit more complex than making a word processing platform which is free.
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Similar question: Do you have any technical experience working with this type of technical specification or in testing to this type of specification? My experience is that simple compliance testing cannot come close to smoking out most software bugs. Specs establish basic requirements for functionality, environment, etc. but testing to a spec is inadequate as software testing.
 
n20junkie said:
You think small.

Where does the top 5,000 wealthiest people fly their airplane too? With the right program, you could detect trends and intercept deals in the works.
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On trends: the volume and granularity of data is too small. Relevant data points would fit on a single spreadsheet with 50,000 rows. I don't see what trends this might ever show except where rich people like to vacation or the location and seasonality of business hubs. Thanks, but no thanks, if we want to figure that out there is a lot of better ways to do it.

On intercepting deals: you suggest Google would intercept and act on that information. And that's quite possibly the stupidest speculation I think I've ever heard. Not only is it likely criminal (or would lead to statute that would make it criminal), it would be a total PR nightmare.

If you tend towards conspiratorial, I would strongly recommend you look at that little black smart phone in your pocket right now. Then look at your internet history on your computer, and think about all the internet services you use. Think about how much of your life is on these devices and services, and the proportion of value that information holds relative to your adsb signal records on your jet.
 
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James331 said:
I trust google to make a solid product much more than the others.

Reason 754 not to be a early adopter.
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Back when I was pretty new in the IT business, I had a team-lead who liked to say "Pioneers are the ones with arrows in their backs."
 
Arrow115 said:
I am really excited to see the transponder replacement ADS-B solutions. My king transponder is getting long in the tooth, so a box that takes care of it all is appealing. I expect Garmin will be along shortly with something similar that will play nicely with the GNS and GTN.
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Bad news is the FAA is going to make you feed and house both the spanky new ADS-B transponder in addition to the outdated mode C. Might just bag the whole thing and stop flying in controlled airspace altogether.
 
BigBadLou said:
Imagine landing somewhere and immediately getting spam on your phone with local hotels, brothels, hot dates, shoe stores and penile enlargement clinics. :D
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Maybe I would like to know all of that. You know, for science.. :)
 
airdale said:
Wow. I take it that you have not used much Google software. Google's philosophy is to repeatedly throw something primitive at the wall and see if it sticks. Projects appear and then are abandoned, together with any users that might have been foolish enough to buy in. If something sticks, they then make uncoordinated and amateurish efforts to improve it. I am thinking about Google spreadsheets scripting here, which after five years is not even at alpha-level quality. Functionality is seriously incomplete and documentation is so poor you can't even call it "incomplete" -- more like "hardly started."

When Google gets bored with something they will abandon it without the slightest concern for anyone using it. Google Maps API change from 2.x to 3.x is a somewhat old example. Another is the abandonment of classic maps and its users in favor of the feature incomplete and ponderously slow New Maps. Typical forum thread: https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/maps/uRP5HJMFD5c[101-125]

Note the press release contains comments from the Project Wing manager that show he recognizes this cultural issue. The problem is that he thinks that in 3-4 months he has successfully changed it. Not a chance. When it comes from the top (in any company), one little manager in one little provincial outpost cannot expect to successfully swim against the tide.
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I've been using google sheets to keep my logbook since 2011, been working just fine for me.

Of course I backup locally as a excel and PDF file every month, but aside from a handful of pictures I'll insert into a cells not staying put, it does the job VERY well.
 
This subject kills me.

If the FAA really wanted to see GA adopt ADSB, they would work with Congress to generate a productive approach that included-
A single unit specification that, if the manufacturer meets the spec., liability is limited to the price of the box.
The spec would include GPS, ADSB in/out, alt encoder, ModeS transponder and Wifi/Bluetooth data servers.
The FAA would establish test labs staffed by FAA personnel whose responsibility is to HELP manufacturers test to and meet the specification.

Do this and you will have $400 boxes from a bunch of vendors. Of course, Garmin and the likes will be ****ed but isn't the concept of governing the need to act in the public's best interests?
 
seems like you could build an ADSB out solution for about $300 I wonder if it would fall under owner supplied parts rules. For another $100 you could add HUD.
 
James331 said:
I've been using google sheets to keep my logbook since 2011, been working just fine for me.

Of course I backup locally as a excel and PDF file every month, but aside from a handful of pictures I'll insert into a cells not staying put, it does the job VERY well.
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You have been using one simple Google application to do one trivial task and you have found only one bug. Extrapolating this makes you trust Google to make a "solid product" for ADS-B. Got it.
 
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