Getting a private pilots license after 60

A hearty congratulations to you John. I know it's been a long road for you and I can't tell you how happy I am that you decided to stick it out and get it done. Now that you've been in a 172 though I figured you'd be swapping the Cherokee for a high wing. :wink2:
 
A hearty congratulations to you John. I know it's been a long road for you and I can't tell you how happy I am that you decided to stick it out and get it done. Now that you've been in a 172 though I figured you'd be swapping the Cherokee for a high wing. :wink2:

With my one eye, I had a heck of a time learning to land an airplane, namely, a warrior. I now grease it in almost every landing. When I did my first landing in a 172, it was awful, almost like I had no clue how to land an airplane. Just that slight difference between a Cherokee and a Cessna turned me into a novice. The guys at Sheble, specifically Sean Merwin, kept me going over and over it until I got it.

Sean did something that really surprised me. I have had my six pack partially covered, but always allowed to have at least one of them showing. Saturday morning (yesterday) Sean covered all of them except the tachometer and the clock. I was so busy bitching about the six primaries being covered, I did not notice the exposed tack. I flew all morning, then all afternoon, doing landing after landing with only the big outside instrument panel to guide me.

It wasn't until one of my last landings when he asked if I had the correct engine setting that I noticed the tachometer was not covered. Anyway, it worked. My landings were fine for my check ride.

As far as the Cherokee vs. the 172 goes, I now have a love hate regard for the 172.
What impressed me with the 172 was how, even at temperatures of over 100F, that thing flat out leaps off the runway. It makes soft field landings and take offs a breeze, the nose just stays up there where it is supposed to be.

A warrior likes its front wheel on the runway, it hates its front wheel being up in the air when its two buddies behind it have their wheels firmly on the ground, so it pushes the front one down as quick as it can. It is work doing soft fields in a Cherokee. It's a breeze in a 172

Landing a 172 can be problematic for the uninitiated, with those two big steel springs instead of real landing gear. I did my very first porpoising yesterday morning, I've never seen it before. Fortunately, Sean was on his toes and we were able to continue using the plane.

If I ever get into dirt strips, I know I would rather have a Cessna high wing. I do love my Warrior though, so if I was offered a trade for a high wing of similar power, I'd keep my Warrior for now.

John
 
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Awesome!!! Congratulations, PILOT!! :D:D:cheers:

Any idea who your second pax will be?

As I have aged, I have been working on experiences I have never tried before. I took up judo and ju jitsu in my fifties. I took up flying in my sixties. I think the next thing I want to become familiar with is a musical instrument of some sort. I can't carry a tune, I can't keep a rhythm at all, so I am wondering if I could do something about that. I'm thinking piano or violin. As it is now, I can't even play a kazoo.

As far as aviation goes, I think it will be nice to be able to fly anywhere I want if weather permits, anytime I feel like it.

I'm sick of reading aviation knowledge books over and over for now. I want a rest from it before continue adding ratings or endorsements.

With one eye, I can not go beyond private pilot anyway.

John
 
Congratulations John. Enjoy your newly earned privileges.

I think the next thing I want to become familiar with is a musical instrument of some sort. ... As it is now, I can't even play a kazoo.

Don't feel too bad about that. I was at a forth of July party that turned into an impromptu amateur kazoo festival and I can assure you that very few people can play a kazoo.
 
Congrats John. Sometimes a different school is what you need. Not the first time I've heard that! Not the first time I've suggested that.
A friend was taking lessons, got hung up on one particular thing, instructor and their chief pilot suggested they'd NEVER be a pilot, I send them to a different school, passed PP in 3 months.
 
John - WAY TO GO GUY!

Now, on the musical instrument - piano and violin are tough, tough, instruments to master and require some physical endurance abilities that tend to be lacking if you are starting out when older... Let me suggest the concertina... It is not a push over as far as learning to play but it does not require the high degree of motor skills and the muscle endurance that the other two instruments do... And then on Talk Like A Pirate Day, you can play all those great sea chanteys...

OTOH, with your Private rating you should be too busy flying here and there and spending yourself broke, to have any time or energy left for new hobbies :)

denny-0 (older en you)
 
Hearty congratulations. It sounds like the Pacific Southwest has an abundance of destinations. Enjoy your new certificate, I can't think of anyone who deserves it more.

As far as musical instruments, what's the difference between a violin and a viola?









Viola burns longer.
 
I can't carry a tune, I can't keep a rhythm at all, so I am wondering if I could do something about that. I'm thinking piano or violin. As it is now, I can't even play a kazoo.

How is your dexterity?

Violin might not be easy if you have a tin ear. It's up to you
to keep the notes in tune with the violin. Not so the piano.

Of course, maybe you could get a player piano (the old foot-pump
ones not those digital abominations). Then you can let the player
unit handle the rhythm and all that.
 
Congratulations John! I know from your posts this has been a very difficult road for you. Perseverance has been proven once again to lead to success!
 
John,
CONGRATULATIONS!
I'm glad that you stuck with it and found a way to get it done!
 
Thanks to all of you for the well wishes and encouragement you gave me.

I can't say enough about Sheble Aviation. If you ever feel you are being financially "milked" by a flight training facility, call Shebly. They have accelerated programs for most ratings. They are not interested in keeping you around unless you need it. Then they do whatever it takes to get you up to speed and on to your check ride.

John
 
Don't tell my one-eyed ATP friend who flies jets around the world that he should only have a private license due to his disability. He will be very sad.

As I have aged, I have been working on experiences I have never tried before. I took up judo and ju jitsu in my fifties. I took up flying in my sixties. I think the next thing I want to become familiar with is a musical instrument of some sort. I can't carry a tune, I can't keep a rhythm at all, so I am wondering if I could do something about that. I'm thinking piano or violin. As it is now, I can't even play a kazoo.

As far as aviation goes, I think it will be nice to be able to fly anywhere I want if weather permits, anytime I feel like it.

I'm sick of reading aviation knowledge books over and over for now. I want a rest from it before continue adding ratings or endorsements.

With one eye, I can not go beyond private pilot anyway.

John
 
Thanks to all of you for the well wishes and encouragement you gave me.

I can't say enough about Sheble Aviation. If you ever feel you are being financially "milked" by a flight training facility, call Shebly. They have accelerated programs for most ratings. They are not interested in keeping you around unless you need it. Then they do whatever it takes to get you up to speed and on to your check ride.

John

Wit all the trials and tribulations you had even getting someone to schedule your ride I would be interested in hearing the details about how you finally got an examiner, and how the ride went, and didn't you also have to do a demonstrated ability thing?
 
I'd like to add my congratulations to the others listed. Yours is quite a tale of persistence in the face of adversity. I think you will treat your ticket with just a bit more respect and reverence than the rest of us treat ours. The route you had to travel to earn yours makes it worth that much more. Enjoy it to its full value.
 
Did you do the checkride with Shebles DPE ?
 
BRAVO ZULU!

I'm so happy for you. I know this has been a long road for you and I hope that you find it all worthwhile.
 
Did you do the checkride with Shebles DPE ?

I'm not sure. I was told the examiner would be either Joe Shebly Sr. or his son. Then five minutes before my check ride, a different fellow flew in to give it to me. I'm not sure if he was part of the Sheble organization or not. He did cover all the bases though.

John
 
Don't tell my one-eyed ATP friend who flies jets around the world that he should only have a private license due to his disability. He will be very sad.

I would have sworn I was told that a mono vision pilot can not apply for commercial nor ATP. I'm too old for ATP anyway, but commercial does catch my interest. It would be nice to recover at least a few bucks from all of this.

John
 
After all of your experiences, there are probably few pilots who know more about "all the bases" than you do.

I'm not sure. I was told the examiner would be either Joe Shebly Sr. or his son. Then five minutes before my check ride, a different fellow flew in to give it to me. I'm not sure if he was part of the Sheble organization or not. He did cover all the bases though.

John
 
Wit all the trials and tribulations you had even getting someone to schedule your ride I would be interested in hearing the details about how you finally got an examiner, and how the ride went, and didn't you also have to do a demonstrated ability thing?

Mason, I have not been ignoring your question, I've been thinking about it.

A CFI friend here in San Diego sent me this congratulatory e-mail yesterday. I do not want to show his name for obvious reasons. I also am censoring out any clues to his identity for the same reasons. I think this might answer a lot of questions.
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CONGRATULATIONS!!! Intensive training without interruptions was the key. One gets the feeling that the examiners within the San Diego area are very selective - almost like a 'closed shop' in whom they want to work with. Even at *****, I had good results with a PPL applicant when I scheduled him with *********at Hemet.

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The training was indeed, "intensive" but it was just four days. They put me up at the Avi Hotel Casino about five miles away. The cost, including most of my meals for the hotel was under $450.00 for five nights. That is just the hotel, not the training nor check ride costs. Sheble is not expensive at all, compared to another "school" I went to years ago. Single engine, wet with an instructor for only $140.00 an hour. Ground was around $40.00 an hour.

I figure the total cost, including the drive out there in my Jeep was under $2,500.00.

The hotel was very nice, the food was excellent. They have around five or six restaurants to pick from. I was too tired after a whole day of training to do much gambling, so all I did a few times was throw away a few bucks on my way to a restaurant.

As mentioned above, the key was intensive uninterrupted training. When one instructor is done with you, another one takes over. They figure out exactly what your weak areas are, then turn them into strong areas.

When I was there, just about all the other applicants were going for their multi engine commercial ratings. I met one young fellow who was after his CFI rating. They also do conventional gear, glider, and sea plane ratings.

Sheble has it figured out as far as finding what is wrong, then correcting it. They act laid back, but within a few days I figured out that I was involved in a very well choreographed training school. I had at least five CFIs working on my case that I know of.

I hope this answerers your question.

John
 
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Good for you.

I think anyone with four or five days of intensive flying and a good CFI should be well prepared to pass any check ride.
 
WOW John tha is GREAT NEWS!!!!!:thumbsup:

I have to admit I ressted reading this tread as I didn't want to read an depressing news. I broke down and read it and and glad I did. Way to stick with it!!! PILOT!
 
John, please let me add my congratulations. Do what you want and have fun, but your age and monovision have nothing to do with getting a commercial or ATP. Enjoy whatever you do with aviation and your next new endeavor whatever that may be.
 
I hope this answers your question.

John


Pretty much.

Congratulations again, this is some accomplishment. Now at the risk of repeating the advice of others, go out and fly! You put a lot of time, effort, and expense into honing those skills and earning that plastic and you probably want to keep yourself sharp, not to mention having some fun.
 
Re: THIS LADY WORKING ON LICENSE AT AGE 67

Now, here's a lady in England who is 67 and working on getting her wings....

I'm 67, I'll be 68 in two and a half months. I was born December 9, 1942.
Except for when I see myself naked in the mirror after my morning shower, I do not feel old at all. I'm not retired, I still work a full week running my picture framing business. The little hard body 20 somethings still catch my eye, however, every now and then, I have to work at remembering why. :D

John
 
Six years ago this month, September, I had my very first Demo ride in a PA-28 Warrior at Gillespie Field in El Cajon, CA. Yesterday, over at Sheble Aviation in Arizona, http://shebleaviation.com/ I earned my PPL.

Six years, I have lost count of the hurdles and hoops, but I finally got it done.

Sheble Aviation has it so unbelievably together, I just have to recommend them to anyone having trouble getting finished up. The atmosphere seems very laid back, it's very deceiving. I was there four days and it was like a team effort from their entire staff to get me up to snuff. I have never in my life flown a high wing of any sort, yet I passed my check ride in a C-172.

I am just downright impressed with how that place operates. They are not one of those schools that has their hand in your wallet from the minute you arrive. They do not even mention money other than tell you at the beginning that the plane, wet, with an instructor is $140.00 an hour.

I had given up on ever getting my ticket until I called them. They do not bull5hit around, they get it done.

John


Most excellent, they are a good bunch of people over there and they do get things done. I got my MES ticket there end of August and my CSEL/SES there in 1993. Who did your checkride, Jojo or Sr?
 
Congrats, John. I'll admit to having some doubts as well. When you have time to think about it, I'd be interested in your perspective about why it worked so well this time compared to the others, and all the stuff that would be interesting to other pilots who may find themselves fighting a similar battle in the future.

And whether you sell the airplane or not, I hope you get some good trips and enjoyment from it first. You have sure as hell earned the right to have some payback for all the time, work and money you have invested.


I bet it's because the Shebles are a father son team of pilots who love flying, are excellent no BS instructors & DEs with a family run business that's been around for a while. Jojo and Sr don't mess around, they get things done. The instructors they have working for them are also better than your average crop. They are not there to "milk the cow", they are there to get people done. I used them for all 4 commercial ratings (S&MEL&S) and have always been happy with the service and the people.
 
Whooo-hoooo, Congratulations !! :goofy::goofy:

As far as music goes.... have you tried a recorder? You can get the cheapy ones made of plastic or you can get very very nice ones from sopranino up to alto made from beautiful wood. They are "relatively" easy to play - much easier than a violin - and they are small and can be taken with you in your plane on all your great trips. You can play / practice it while you wait for weather to clear or in the evening on some nice porch while you watch the sunset over a new view.

Just a thought
 
I bet it's because the Shebles are a father son team of pilots who love flying, are excellent no BS instructors & DEs with a family run business that's been around for a while. Jojo and Sr don't mess around, they get things done. The instructors they have working for them are also better than your average crop. They are not there to "milk the cow", they are there to get people done. I used them for all 4 commercial ratings (S&MEL&S) and have always been happy with the service and the people.

Different strokes I guess :dunno:
 
Yesterday the mechanics called and said my plane was ready to go. I went up to the airport to do my very first flight as a PPL. I had finished up in a 172 and was now going back to my Warrior. I figured there would be a few bugs in my flying, but nothing I would not be able to work out. It had been a month since a last flew my own bird.

One of the mechanics is a one eyed fellow like myself. He is also a CFI. He nicely offered to fly with me a few times around the pattern, just to check the plane, and possibly make sure I transitioned back to a Warrior OK. I decided to take him up on his offer.

The airplane needs the propeller balanced was one of the squawks, nothing major. The pilot (myself) seemed to be flying a 172 instead of a Warrior. We had to do more than a few times around the pattern, a lot more times, to work the bugs out.

I am really glad he offered to go up with me, otherwise, I am sure, I would now be the subject of more than a few hanger flying yarns. I don't believe I would have damaged anything more than my pride, but since the Miramar Air show is this weekend, I don't think any warm up clown acts would really be necessary.

The lesson I learned was a major one. No matter how great a pilot you think you may now be, you probably aren't. If your not a 100% positive, take someone with you.

My plane is back in the shop to take care of the prop and some paint they didn't catch on the annual. My medical expires Thursday but the FAA wants a pulmonary work up at the hospital. I couldn't get an appointment for that until the fourth of Oct. I have to take those reports to my medical examiner, so it will be a few weeks before I'm good to fly on my own again.

I'll probably have that one eyed guy do the pattern with me a few times first.

John
 
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