Geico got off easy.

cowman said:
Let me just ask you all a question that I think is worth pondering...

What if they actually found the drugs they were looking for. Would you still be outraged? Was it justifiable if they had?


And to extend that question, are the tactics, expenses, and unintended consequences of our war on drugs worth the outcome?
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Yes, I would feel the same. The War on Drugs is a sham and a scam. Even if they had found the drugs, it was an illegal search so it would have been dismissed anyway. The police are not above the law, the ends do not justify the means.
 
Yeah I agree which is why I asked the question.

Most people I ask this seem to feel the same way, so who is still advocating this and why can't we get our politicians to stop it?
 
Because the rules do not apply to them meaning both the police and those that make the rules for the rest of us.
 
Drugs carried up the bum should be legal. If people care that much let em have them, no law is going to stop them.
 
I knew a guy who claimed to carry his cash up his arse in a cigar tube when he was younger in Chicago and $20 in his wallet for the muggers. No thanks.
 
cowman said:
Let me just ask you all a question that I think is worth pondering...

What if they actually found the drugs they were looking for. Would you still be outraged? Was it justifiable if they had?


And to extend that question, are the tactics, expenses, and unintended consequences of our war on drugs worth the outcome?
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I'd have been more ****ed at their incompetence for flubbing so bad that the evidence would be inadmissible.

Hmm, maybe that would have been better, no innocent man gets raped, the drugs get thrown out, the cops still get sued and get the added embarrassment of having thrown a sure thing case.
 
cowman said:
Yeah I agree which is why I asked the question.

Most people I ask this seem to feel the same way, so who is still advocating this and why can't we get our politicians to stop it?
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Because it's free money that doesn't have to go through treasury for the executive branch and law enforcement plus the oodles of money it brings into Wall Street banks for money laundering. If they legalized drugs and taxed them, then Congress gets control of all that money and we could actually between the savings and income fund a real healthcare system and the insurance companies don't want that.
 
1st settlement in.

Ca-Ching! for $1.6 million from the city and county.

How long until the medical center and docs fold and settle, now that Deming set precedent?

http://www.demingheadlight.com/demi...g-hidalgo-county-settle-nm-anal-probe-lawsuit

According to attorneys for David Eckert, Hidalgo County and the city of Deming recently settled their portion of a lawsuit for a total of $1.6 million.

...

A lawsuit against doctors Robert Wilcox and Okay H. Odocha, along with the Gila Regional Medical Center in Silver City is still ongoing.
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I said he would own the town before it was all over with. What will be more interesting will be to see how vengeful he is. I can think of a whole lot if completely legal ways to make those people's lives an utter hell who did that to him with $1.6M. Not the best tactic or use of $1.6M, but if he's mad enough, it could make for years of entertainment.
 
Not nearly enough. The people involved should spend the rest of their lives in prison.
 
The doctor should be charged with rape and nothing less.
 
cowman said:
Yeah I agree which is why I asked the question.

Most people I ask this seem to feel the same way, so who is still advocating this and why can't we get our politicians to stop it?
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Because we've been electing people who are "tough on crime" for years and years.
 
Small town, small county.

It will be interesting to see how the judge and officers are treated by locals. I anticipate some uncomfortable encounters.

Particularly since deja vu Deming lawsuit #2 with a similar cast of characters and one Timothy Young is rolling right behind.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s3213356.shtml#.UtqQ9Hk8K0c


From NM news comments:

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3279375.shtml#.UtqOmnk8K0c
Some perspective: the combined population of the City of Deming and all of Hidalgo County is about 20,000. Thus, on a per capita basis, the $1.6 million settlement for these cops' insane power trip cost every man, woman and child in these jurisdictions $80. And this is not a wealthy area!
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ElPaso Pilot said:
Small town, small county.

It will be interesting to see how the judge and officers are treated by locals. I anticipate some uncomfortable encounters.

Particularly since deja vu Deming lawsuit #2 with a similar cast of characters and one Timothy Young is rolling right behind.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s3213356.shtml#.UtqQ9Hk8K0c


From NM news comments:

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3279375.shtml#.UtqOmnk8K0c
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Should certainly be incentive for the citizens to call for their Town or County elected officials to Dismiss the Police Chief and responsible officers, the Hospital should do the same with the responsible docs and staff.
 
cowman said:
Let me just ask you all a question that I think is worth pondering...

What if they actually found the drugs they were looking for. Would you still be outraged? Was it justifiable if they had?


And to extend that question, are the tactics, expenses, and unintended consequences of our war on drugs worth the outcome?
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That sounds an awful lot like, :if you weren't doing anything WRONG, you had nothing to be afraid of..."

It is s sickening commentary on how people are being brainwashed into thinking just because the government does something, that makes it automatically legal.
 
AdamZ said:
Should certainly be incentive for the citizens to call for their Town or County elected officials to Dismiss the Police Chief and responsible officers, the Hospital should do the same with the responsible docs and staff.
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Many municipalities are loath to do this. It's not easy or cheap to replace cops. Good ones are tough to find and not cheap. Sadly, the profession attracts the type of person that absolutely should not be doing it. Sometimes the pickings are so poor, that departments will get desperate and hire marginal candidates. They often have to resort to trying to steal good cops from other cities. This isn't cheap.

I learned about all this when I lived in Oakland. It's wild west there with a shortage of sheriffs. So they would put special bond measures on the ballot and the citizens would approve. They would advertize great salaries and benefits and then hold expensive training academies. Hundreds of people would show up and in the end around 95% would wash out. Many due to psyche evaluations. To hire 70 new cops takes academy after academy.

Then there is retention. In the case of Oakland, the beat cops working there knew that after only a couple of years in Oakland, they could write their own ticket anywhere else in California. I guess there is value in battle hardened vets.

It's a tough job being a cop. It's easy for me to see how after coming face to face with the scum of the earth on a daily basis, getting little respect from the community, witnessing revolving door justice first hand and realizing that you have real power over people, that some cops would go rouge. Maybe we really do need robocops.

Anyhow, the point I'm trying to make is, there are reasons a town, or a department wouldn't want to just sack the whole team and start over. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, just that it is tough.
 
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Dav8or said:
Many municipalities are loath to do this. It's not easy or cheap to replace cops. Good ones are tough to find and not cheap. Sadly, the profession attracts the type of person that absolutley should not be doing it. Sometimes the pickings are so poor, that departments will get desperate and hire marginal candidates. They often have to resort to trying to steal good cops from other cities. This isn't cheap.

I learned about all this when I lived in Oakland. It's wild west there with a shortage of sheriffs. So they would put special bond measures on the ballot and the citizens would approve. They would advertize great salaries and benefits and then hold expensive training academies. Hundreds of people would show up and in they end around 95% would wash out. Many due to psyche evaluations. To hire 70 new cops takes academy after academy.

Then there is retention. In the case of Oakland, the beat cops working there knew that after only a couple of years in Oakland, they could write their own ticket anywhere else in California. I guess there is value in battle hardened vets.

It's a tough job being a cop. It's easy for me to see how after coming face to face with the scum of the earth on a daily basis, getting little respect from the community, witnessing revolving door justice first hand and realizing that you have real power over people, that some cops would go rouge. Maybe we really do need robocops.

Anyhow, the point I'm trying to make is, there are reasons a town, or a department wouldn't want to just sack the whole team and start over. I'm saying it shouldn't be done, just that it is tough.
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Yet, 11 cars managed to show up at Justin Beiber's house after a report of an egg being thrown. Does it really take 4 cars to writing a traffic ticket? That's the average number of cars I see around here for routine traffic stops.
 
Well, what else ihas the Beaufort County Sheriff got to do all day? Writing tickets and arresting locals for fighting and drugs . . . its not like there is real crime in the lowcountry . . .
 
Dav8or said:
Many municipalities are loath to do this. It's not easy or cheap to replace cops. Good ones are tough to find and not cheap. Sadly, the profession attracts the type of person that absolutely should not be doing it. Sometimes the pickings are so poor, that departments will get desperate and hire marginal candidates. They often have to resort to trying to steal good cops from other cities. This isn't cheap.

I learned about all this when I lived in Oakland. It's wild west there with a shortage of sheriffs. So they would put special bond measures on the ballot and the citizens would approve. They would advertize great salaries and benefits and then hold expensive training academies. Hundreds of people would show up and in the end around 95% would wash out. Many due to psyche evaluations. To hire 70 new cops takes academy after academy.

Then there is retention. In the case of Oakland, the beat cops working there knew that after only a couple of years in Oakland, they could write their own ticket anywhere else in California. I guess there is value in battle hardened vets.

It's a tough job being a cop. It's easy for me to see how after coming face to face with the scum of the earth on a daily basis, getting little respect from the community, witnessing revolving door justice first hand and realizing that you have real power over people, that some cops would go rouge. Maybe we really do need robocops.

Anyhow, the point I'm trying to make is, there are reasons a town, or a department wouldn't want to just sack the whole team and start over. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, just that it is tough.
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I guess it depends on where you live. In my profession I've met some fantastically good people who are Law enforcement officers and I've met some dirtballs who are lying sacks of excrement.

It depends on the leadership. I'm thankful to say that the Chief in my town is a shining example of everything that is right in law enforcement and he would not stand for the crap that happened in this case for a millisecond. As a result we have one of the finest department I've had the opportunity to interact with.
 
AdamZ said:
I guess it depends on where you live. In my profession I've met some fantastically good people who are Law enforcement officers and I've met some dirtballs who are lying sacks of excrement.

It depends on the leadership. I'm thankful to say that the Chief in my town is a shining example of everything that is right in law enforcement and he would not stand for the crap that happened in this case for a millisecond. As a result we have one of the finest department I've had the opportunity to interact with.
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You hit the nail square on, the leadership. Ever since Parker was Chief of Police for LAPD there has been an institutional teaching of the population being "the enemy". Through the 'invitational' training of other forces, nation and world wide, LAPD has spread this thinking. Daryl Gates brought in the institutional militarization of our police forces in furtherance of that thinking.
 
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