Geico got off easy.

Gary F said:
They should face criminal charges for assault and battery. I would have told the cops to f*** off. Since when do physicians work for the police?
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Best comment from someone who read the article:

The cops and doctors should be anally searched. Its very likely that you'll find their heads.
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Alexb2000 said:
It was surely humiliating, but never working another day in his life might help ease the suffering. Watch how fast the insurance companies try to settle this one.
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I would not allow my lawyers to settle until the offer was mid double-digit millions. This is sexual assault, false arrest (once the warrant was no longer valid), abuse under color of law, medical malpractice, and a bunch of other stuff all tied up with a neat little documented bow.
 
Kelvin said:
They are listed in the complaint...

THE CITY OF DEMING, DEMING POLICE OFFICERS BOBBY OROSCO, ROBERT CHAVEZ, and OFFICER HERNANDEZ; HILDAGO COUNTY; HILDAGO COUNTY SHERIFF OFFICERS DAVID ARREDONDO, ROBERT RODRIGUEZ, and PATRICK GREEN; DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY DANIEL DOUGHERTY, GILA REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER, ROBERT WILCOX, M.D., and, OKAY H. ODOCHA, M.D.
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The judge that signed the warrant needs his name on there too...there was NO probable cause I can see.
 
Matthew said:
My understanding was the judge issued a search warrant ( rightly or wrongly, I don't know). The warrant was for a specific time window. The first hospital refused the exam, so they went to another hospital. The second hospital was in a different county, outside the jurisdiction of the warrant and the warrant had already expired by the time the exam began.

The judge might have enough plausible deniability to cover his ass (as it were).
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I don't think so. The guy rolled through a stop sign and "seemed to be clenching his buttocks". Not exactly world class probable cause there, though I have been a party to enough warrants to know that police stretch the truth about the strength of the evidence to obtain warrants all the time.
 
Gary F said:
Search warrant or not, it does not give license to physicians to perform a medical exam or procedure against the will of the patient.
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Not true anymore. Look on YouTube at the forcible blood draws used to convict DUI suspects in Tennessee now. Crazy stuff, they strap you to a table and hold you down with six guys and jam a needle in you.

America was pretty cool while it lasted.
 
It is amazing to me how perfectly rational people can become victims of "authority" and blindly do what ever they say to do, including kill people they don't even know.

Milgram's experiment on "Blind Obdediance to Authority"

http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/ucce50/ag-labor/7article/article35.htm

Hitler / Nazis used this very effectively.
 
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bullwinkle said:
Not true anymore. Look on YouTube at the forcible blood draws used to convict DUI suspects in Tennessee now. Crazy stuff, they strap you to a table and hold you down with six guys and jam a needle in you.

America was pretty cool while it lasted.
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Not by a physician, at least one with any ethics. The blood draws are by technicians. In any case I don't believe that I can be forced by the police or courts to carry out any prodcedure against the will of the patient.
 
I think this all just goes to show that it's not communism / socialism that's broken, it's people that are broken. An abusive government can come from any system.
 
Gary F said:
Not by a physician, at least one with any ethics. The blood draws are by technicians. In any case I don't believe that I can be forced by the police or courts to carry out any prodcedure against the will of the patient.
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Was this medical team forced, or were they willing and enthusiastic participants?
 
ElPaso Pilot said:
Was this medical team forced, or were they willing and enthusiastic participants?
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Considering the doc in the county where the warrant was issued refused, and these guys didn't bother to read the warrant to see if there was any legal basis, I'd say they were at least willing if not enthusiastic.
 
Remember one of the slanders of Saddam prewar was his 'rape prisons.'. Wonder if Iraq will return the favor and invade NM to free the people there from there rape hospitals.
 
ElPaso Pilot said:
Was this medical team forced, or were they willing and enthusiastic participants?
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How can they be forced? I think the problem is that too many people believe that government has power over them that does not exist.
 
They could have been coerced into it, while ignorance isn't a defence -- I always like to assume good intent (of civilians). I assume that the police officers came in said we need you to do this and that, here is a warent. Either they complied immediately, or they said "I don't know I might have to call our lawyer" or something and the police officer said something along the lines of "do you want to be brought in on an obstruction of justice charge"

At least at the border (where I have most of my issues) they ALWAYS use the obstruction of justice charge thing on me when I assert my rights. They have threatened to call FBI's counter terrorism department and have me locked up for various reasons... the crazy thing is, whenever I say "yes, that seems more productive than being locked up in this room... and then I can have access to my lawyer which you deny me" they don't actually do it.

:( It's been so long since I have been in handcuffs.
 
First do no harm. They should be stripped of every penny, serve time, and lose their medical privileges forever.
 
bullwinkle said:
The judge that signed the warrant needs his name on there too...there was NO probable cause I can see.
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Hey, he was squeezing his buttcheeks. Nothing else needed.

Man, are you soft on crime. :)

Note to self: Minimize lunches at "Real Chilli" in Milwaukee, and/or evacuate colon to avoid clenching buttcheeks.
 
Jay_us. If there is any truth to this, the doc, the sheriff personally need to be sent to the poorhouse.

And then, to the criminal courts.....
 
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In addition to ethical issues I question their medical abilities. If they can't rule out foreign objects after the x-ray and the 1st digital exam...
 
Gary F said:
How can they be forced? I think the problem is that too many people believe that government has power over them that does not exist.
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Exactly. 100% :yes:

I was told to "Be sure I wanted to file a complaint against HS". I told the guy to go **** himself and make the complaint. No I am not kidding.

I now have 2 senators, AOPA, and EAA investigating my incident.
 
Oh Stanley Milgram why hasn't anyone learned(when to tell people to F@#$ off)
 
For me, this reinforces the fact that many, like me, are much more afraid of the "good guys" than the bad guys. The playing field is somewhat level with the bad guys. The cops in addition to becoming too militarized, have developed a siege mentality where the rules do not apply to them.
I do all I can to avoid any contact with law enforcement. If a cop is following me I pull over at the first populated and lighted place I can find. It is really bad when law abiding citizens have legitimate reason to fear their government. Sad days:sad:
 
His lawyers were on Beck yesterday. Just happened to hear it flipping around. Beck pleaded with them not to settle and to make the law stronger. They got quiet and sounded embarrassed. Guess they're going for the quick settlement to get paid. They clammed up after that.

Prior to that Beck asked them, "Is it as bad as it sounds or do they have anything at all to stand on?" One of the lawyers responded that it wasn't just as bad as what came out before the media blackout because a court case was ongoing, but worse. He gave the example that they fed the guy, which made them have to wait for hours to do the colonoscopy, and that he told everyone in sight that he was innocent and that he's done nothing wrong and begged every medical person in earshot to help him.

He's going to own that town when they're done.
 
Lots of opinions here.
It sounds like a very bad deal with a very careless judge: (how would the officers out in the street determine he was clenching his buttocks unless they disrobed and attempted to penetrate him in the first place - were I the judge they would have had some probing questions to answer)

Rambo types in uniform: Lots of that goes on. You have to understand that the average officer is not a rocket scientist or he would be doing something else than risking his life for lousy pay. That they are as illogical, stupid, and biased as the average person. And that we have given them enormous power over us without knowing if they are capable of making good judgements.

The EMR doc at the first hospital showed good judgement when he refused: The order from the judge ALLOWING the body cavity search over the person's objections is just that - it 'allows' the procedure.
It does not force me (the physician on duty) to perform it.

Hospital staffs (nurses/techs) routinely drawn blood from a protesting person when handed a court order. The law on this is not set in stone yet. Were this case pursued it might force a change in precedent law - especially if it could be pursued at the federal level. And a trial would be interesting in that we would be presented with the officer's side of the story (it is completely one sided so far)

The second hospital seems to be way out on thin ice (one sided story so far, though).

denny-o
old police surgeon
old EMR doc
old county coroner
 
The arrest report claims that the suspect had a previous history of hiding drugs in his anal cavity yet so far no records have been found to support those claims.


We Uncovered a Major Claim by the Cops in the New Mexico Anal Probe Case When We Went Digging Through the Arrest Affidavit
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-police-departments-anal-probing-controversy/

According to the affidavit for the search warrant, police were told that Eckert was “known to insert drugs into his anal cavity and had been caught in Hidalgo County with drugs in his anal cavity.”

Eckert’s history with drugs had been revealed by his attorneys, Joseph and Shannon Kennedy, but there was no mention of any previous attempts to transport drugs in his anal cavity. Still, though court records confirm Eckert’s history of drug-related offenses, we found no information confirming police’s claim that he once was caught with drugs in his anal cavity.
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Geico266 said:
Exactly. 100% :yes:

I was told to "Be sure I wanted to file a complaint against HS". I told the guy to go **** himself and make the complaint. No I am not kidding.

I now have 2 senators, AOPA, and EAA investigating my incident.
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I did not hear about your incident Geico, is there a thread?
 
No Joy said:
The arrest report claims that the suspect had a previous history of hiding drugs in his anal cavity yet so far no records have been found to support those claims.


We Uncovered a Major Claim by the Cops in the New Mexico Anal Probe Case When We Went Digging Through the Arrest Affidavit
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-police-departments-anal-probing-controversy/
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Oooooooo
Falsification if reports too!

Unfortunatly this may add to the case for letting the judge skate.
 
Skylane81E said:
Oooooooo
Falsification if reports too!

Unfortunatly this may add to the case for letting the judge skate.
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Until the next election. Does New Mexico allow their voters to dump judges like we can here? Dunno.
 
Let me just ask you all a question that I think is worth pondering...

What if they actually found the drugs they were looking for. Would you still be outraged? Was it justifiable if they had?


And to extend that question, are the tactics, expenses, and unintended consequences of our war on drugs worth the outcome?
 
cowman said:
Let me just ask you all a question that I think is worth pondering...

What if they actually found the drugs they were looking for. Would you still be outraged? Was it justifiable if they had?


And to extend that question, are the tactics, expenses, and unintended consequences of our war on drugs worth the outcome?
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Yes, No, No
 
cowman said:
Let me just ask you all a question that I think is worth pondering...

What if they actually found the drugs they were looking for. Would you still be outraged? Was it justifiable if they had?


And to extend that question, are the tactics, expenses, and unintended consequences of our war on drugs worth the outcome?
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Your question almost sounds like you're advocating a police state. Just an observation.
 
I thought I was doing the exact opposite...
 
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