Gas aditives

Snake Oil. Price of gas goes up, Snake Oil salesman market their stuff to a very willing audience.

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It's all snake oil Scott. Even if an additive increases fuel economy, it is so minuscule the cost of the product out weighs any overall benefit.
 
Is there any additive that will counter or get rid of ethanol?
 
I think you will like this Ken
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;)
 
KennyFlys said:
Ethanol? That's a joke with no comparison.
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No. Corn ethanol is a joke. Sugar Cane ethanol is much, much better. It is the reason that Brazil had become energy independent before the recent offshore oil discovery. Now they are just sitting pretty, energy wise.

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My original question was about auto fuels and was pretty much what I expected.

I am wondering about those additives for air fuels. (RON NO NEED TO POST YOUR OIL ADDITIVE RESPONSE) such as MMO.

I have never seen the need to anything with aviation fuel, but I know a few people who swear by MMO in their fuel.

What do you guys think?
 
smigaldi said:
My original question was about auto fuels and was pretty much what I expected.

I am wondering about those additives for air fuels. (RON NO NEED TO POST YOUR OIL ADDITIVE RESPONSE) such as MMO.

I have never seen the need to anything with aviation fuel, but I know a few people who swear by MMO in their fuel.

What do you guys think?
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FWIW,

I used to work down the hall from the "fuels and lubricants" group at one of the larger auto companies. One guy had stuff on top of two file cabinets - one collection was labled "good stuff" and the other was "shlock - garbage".

The stuff under the "good stuff" sign was pretty much just brand name oils (not additives). MMO was behind door #2...

Oh, and on removing ethanol - water will remove most of it, but not all - and the gasoline left behind may or may not have adequate octane for any particular application.

YMMV, Not a spokesperson, blah blah, blah...
 
smigaldi said:
I just like the Willie mention!

Bio-diesel BTW is mostly corn oil. Seems to me to cause the same problem as ethanol.
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My cousins husband is working in a bio-diesel plant that makes it with chicken fat.
 
smigaldi said:
Bio-diesel BTW is mostly corn oil. Seems to me to cause the same problem as ethanol.
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The differnce is that with or without biodiesel, everyday millions of gallons of waste vegetable oils are leaving the fryers of restaurants across the world. In that respect, there is an elegance to burning our calories a different way.

There is no such thing as "waste ethanol", except maybe store-brand blended scotch! ;):D
 
pookies said:
My cousins husband is working in a bio-diesel plant that makes it with chicken fat.
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Danielle, I've never heard of chicken fat being used. Do you have any insight you can offer? We may be able to get James (Eggman) involved with this :)
 
google biodiesel for all kinds of reading. I was finally getting ready to put together a waste vegetable oil (WVO) processor and then I find out things are getting really goofy on sources of WVO. In the not-too-distant past, restaurants were happy to have someone haul off the WVO free of charge, since they typically had to pay to have it removed. Then the value began to climb and it went from free to pretty pricey. The new oil suppliers have gotten into the game now, too, by offering credits against the purchase of new oil with the return of the old oil.

So, here I sit once again - a day late and a dollar short.
 
gkainz said:
I was finally getting ready to put together a waste vegetable oil (WVO) processor and then I find out things are getting really goofy on sources of WVO.
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Apparently, you were probably going to break the law several times over.

Did you make sure you get pay your taxes, get permits from air resource board to burn fat, permits from CO's USDA like agency to haul it away, misc permits other agencies, and $1 million liability insurance in case you have a toxic waste spill?

I know, it's a California thing.:rolleyes:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-vegoil6-2008may06,0,6562739.story?track=rss
 
Kommiefornia ... yeah ...

As far as I have last read, there is an upper threshold (400 gal/qtr perhaps) where one has to begin reporting and paying road tax.

Tomorrow's Biodiesel will become yesterday's moonshine ... "Hide the still, pa! The revenooer's is a-comin!"
 
U at least get insurance for possible spills and permits to burn fat? :P
 
kevin47881 said:
Danielle, I've never heard of chicken fat being used. Do you have any insight you can offer? We may be able to get James (Eggman) involved with this :)
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I'm not sure Kevin. All I know is that the plant is somewhere in or around Crossett, AR.
 
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