https://www.flyingmag.com/story/avionics/garmin-gtn-650xi-750xi-navigators/
So used prices on the old non-Xi units will be dropping like a rock now?
So used prices on the old non-Xi units will be dropping like a rock now?
Garmin GTN750Xi and GTN650Xi announced
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Grum.Man
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Doubt it. I don't see enough differences to justify an upgrade. I am still shocked 430W are still transacting for what they are so I don't expect the GTN series to drop anytime soon.
bnt83
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So basically the same thing with different screen and processer, got it.
I've always thought the 650 was smooth as it is, but I don't have radar, TAWS, HTAWS or other integration that could slow it down.
I've always thought the 650 was smooth as it is, but I don't have radar, TAWS, HTAWS or other integration that could slow it down.
Grum.Man
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Well they surely didn’t want to get stuck with a bunch of GTNs on the shelf they would have to discount while customers waited out the new unit
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Why doesn't Garmin build a slide-in GNS replacement a la Avidyne? Avidyne managed to take the Garmin pinouts and incorporate features that the GNS doesn't have, like enhanced weather and traffic displays from external units, e.g. the NGT-9000, as well as play nice G5s and legacy APs. That would likely be a sales winner in coming years as the GNS boxes start to die and replacement parts become more scarce. Plus the newer screens are far better resolution and color.
Whatever the reasons 9 years ago, I suspect that it's too late to build such a thing now. It would cannibalize the GTN market and I don't know whether they have any motivation to fight on Avidyne's terms.
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Supposedly if within 45 days, you can upgrade for $500. I would call your avionics shop tomorrow and inquire about upgrading.
November was 39 days ago. That's cutting it close!
Having spent time in the electronics industry, I can't help but wonder if there was an ulterior motive behind the new units. Perhaps the old screen and processor were end of life and Garmin is trying to cash in on the suitable replacements they've found.
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How long will this go before a true refresh product is engineered?
What features would you engineer into a true refresh product?
midwestpa24
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What more are you looking for? From the 430/530 to the 650/750 was a significant leap in interface and functionality, but for the time being I can't imagine what will come next. I'm sure technology will continue to evolve, but to what we just don't know yet.
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It’s not my burden to define what’s needed in a new product. It’s simply with the advances in technology, a 10-year old high-tech product, that’s still considered “the new one” is sad.
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That’s why I said to call tomorrow...let the avionics shop do the math, obviously it’s in their best interest to get you to upgrade. I was able to get a rebate when past the date because I talk to avionics shop. If you don’t ask...
And Connext still requires a FS510 rather than making it a built-in/standard feature.
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And Connext still requires a FS510 rather than making it a built-in/standard feature.
Yeah I don’t get this one. They should’ve built it into the unit like the 175/355/375 navigators
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N1120A
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I wonder if they didn't have the ability to put Bluetooth in the box?
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They still have the touch screens. Work great until you are in turbulence. Then, good luck touching the screen in the right place. I love the old 430W in the club's 172N.
David Megginson
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Not an issue. On the GTN, you don't need to use the touchscreen to tune and swap frequencies (com and nav) or select and activate a direct-to waypoint, for example. When do choose to use the touchscreen, just anchor your pinky to the panel first and then it's no big deal.
In turbulence, I anchor my pinky first for physical knobs on any avionics, now, too—if you just stab and grab at your panel, you're using the knob to steady your whole arm, which is a big strain to put on fragile electronic components (as I've learned to my $$$ in the past).
I thought the same thing until I started flying with one. It really isn’t that bad.
N1120A
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I've never understood this. I've been in gnarly turbulence and operated a 650 just fine, while hand flying to soften the bumps. The knob and buttonology of the 430 makes it still slower, even when you make touchscreen mistakes.
midwestpa24
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Hundreds of hours behind 650/750s and 430/530s.. Not an issue if you anchor a couple of your fingers to the bezel for support. Can also use the knob for majority of critical functions as well. I find the 650/750 a little more logical to use and better functionality than the 430/530, once you learn how to use it.
N747JB
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I installed a 430W and before I picked it up Garmin announced the 650/750 series!
So, I feel your pain!
David Megginson
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If I were a praying man, my prayer every night would be "please, lord, never make me go back to choosing waypoints with knobs, one letter at a time."
N747JB
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I had one of the original Apollo LORAN units, you had to slew in the lat/long, using +/- and if you got it going too fast, it would blow right past the number and then you went the other way! I had t select the right LORAN chain too! I was never completely sure if I was going where I wanted to go!!
David Megginson
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It all makes the ADF look so easy, doesn't it? Tune in the frequency once, then the needle is just pointing at the transmission tower for the rest of the time you're navigating with NDB (well, ±10°, but close enoughI had one of the original Apollo LORAN units, you had to slew in the lat/long, using +/- and if you got it going too fast, it would blow right past the number and then you went the other way! I had t select the right LORAN chain too! I was never completely sure if I was going where I wanted to go!!
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Any idea where this rumor originated?
I sent an email to Garmin the day of the announcement explaining I just installed 650. Garmin replies and asked me to call them to discuss my options. It really turns out I don’t have any options.
I spoke with Garmin and they said they don’t have any policies yet on trade ups. They told me to contact my Garmin dealer and see if he can do anything like take it as a return.
The call to Garmin was useless and a waste of time.
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My understanding was this was only for dealers who had ordered and received a GTN that had not yet been sold to a customer, I assume meaning not yet paid for and picked up. In other words this was only for new, rather than used (if only briefly) GTNs.
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