RJM62
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Geek on the Hill
I had the flu once.
I've gotten the shot ever since.
-Rich
I've gotten the shot ever since.
-Rich
Maybe you want to harken back to the day before the Polio vaccine where 20,000 American kids where paralyzed each year? Where over 1,000 of them died every year? Or back to the day when elementary schools were breeding grounds for Measles, Mumps and Rubella?
criminal in my opinion.
I thought that the two most populous nations, India and China, don't vaccinate, or don't vaccinate all the poor, which is most of their populations.
I have a toddler, and I don't want my kid getting a disease that is now preventable from vaccines. I think those parents who don't vaccinate their kids put other kids at risk from disease, horrible illnesses like whooping cough that kill little babies who are too young to be vaccinated themselves. Ignorant people like Jenny McCarthy put little babies lives at risk.
I was pretty happy to find out there is now a vaccine for chicken pox, because I remember that as being a disgusting illness I don't wish upon anyone.
Polios' most drastic decreases all came before the polio vaccination. It came down because of efforts to clean water, indoor plumbing, improvements in food delivery system as well as overall better sanitation.
vaccinations are a shell game.
Unfortunately, you may well have a chance to re-live those memories when you get older -- only worse. Don't ask me how I know...
-Rich
I am sorry to scare you. I expect the anger from some. Kill the messenger, attack the messenger. If you do not believe simply look away it should cause you no problem. But you are really worried about what is said or heard by others. Why?
It must be nice for you to live in a world where you believe that FDA, CDC, Big Pharma, Big Medicine, our government in general and the politicians are looking out for you, your health, your family, your job, just like they did your social security and your pension.
It is so much more comforting to my granddaughter to believe in the Easter Bunny although he does not exist either. So close your eyes, do not hurt your brain trying to understand the world you live in.
We live in a time when the Chief legal counsel for a drug company can and does become assistant director for FDA and influence the safety and controls over their previous client.
It is not like there is no present on our government lying to us? Does anyone remember NAFTA? Free trade with China would make America stronger? Our $25 per hour best jobs are now averaged with Chinese and Indian workers incomes and those jobs either disappeared or pay $12 per hour or less if you consider inflation.
There is real money in vaccinations. Big Money politics changed the law to protect providers from suits. This is proof that vaccinations are dangerous. This is a real issue but you are buying the spin. No money, so we need to protect Pharma, haha. You should listen to yourself.
Do you think Fox news or MSNBC want to have pharmaceutical advertisement revenues boycott these channels? Like most Americans you have spent very little time considering any of this.
There is now a Shingles Vaccine. I plan to get it as my uncle just went through a horrible case
I have always wondered about that -
If I get chicken pox, and have an immunity to it from having the disease - how can I catch it again? Its like a flu shot - you get the shot- and it makes you immune to whatever they are injecting you with - how can you get it again?
I understand that the vaccination failure rate is known but how does my immune system forget??
Ignorance is criminal, get yourself informed.
"Manufacturers have projected that they will produce between 135 million and 139 million doses of influenza vaccine for use in the United States during the 2013-2014 influenza season. An estimated 30 million to 32 million of these doses will be quadrivalent flu vaccine. The rest will be trivalent flu vaccine."
Does anyone know which flu vaccine they got? Do we have a choice, or is it pot luck?
Knew better than to fly commercial. LOL. What a cesspool of germs.
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Guess what the good news is? I'm self-vaccinated against this particular strain now! LOL
Steingar, I doubt that we will be able to get through to this guy. Vaccination might contaminate his precious bodily fluids.
This is Hangar Talk so I will not challenge your religious beliefs here. Noon, tomorrow, SZ.Which is sort of why I asked what it would take to convince him. Of course, once I asked deniers what it would take to convince them of anthropogenic climate change. While there was lots of heated discussion, no one answered that particular question.
According to http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/general.htm :
"For 2013-2014, all live attenuated influenza vaccine (LAIV), the nasal spray vaccine, is quadrivalent."
So all the quadrivalent is administered as a nasal spray. If you got a shot, then you got trivalent. The CDC link provides more details on the differences.
This is Hangar Talk so I will not challenge your religious beliefs here. Noon, tomorrow, SZ.
I am certain I came off as condescending and arrogant, for which I apologize.
However, I simply cannot stress how mistaken you are.
You now have a genetic scientist and a physician in lock step telling you how wrong you are. Truly, what would it take to convince you that your view is factually incorrect? Hell, gary and I almost never agree on a single other thing.
Stopping disease outbreaks is an inherent government function for which we can all be grateful. No one wants to be sick or wants their child to be sick. We have an outstanding inspection regimen for food stuffs, and we vaccinate for the most common communicable diseases.
This is just basic common sense, disease outbreaks are expensive and reduce our ability to do those things we do as a nation.
Comparing vaccines to the Easter bunny is disingenuous. Vaccines are rigorously tested treatments with proven efficacy.
You would prefer Joe the plumber?
Unfortunately, viable candidates for numerous industries are those with prior experience in the industry.
It is not easily avoidable.
The government also tells us the truth.
It also has an agenda. If you watch documentaries about Ruppard Murdoch by the BBC you will see how he leveraged his fathers small newspaper backing politicos in England into his current politically charged empire that even the right is afraid to attempt to control or regulate.Fox News does whatever makes the most money for its corporate masters.
To be honest, when the NVIC was developed I don't' think it was legal for pharmaceutical companies to advertise their drugs.
Actually I enjoy debate with a worthy opponent and you are more worthy than most.Didn't mean to bring that debate in, just thought I'd share a similar anecdote.
I don't know a darn thing about the human immune system, but I know a whole bunch about the real world effects and implications of vaccinations in animal agriculture. I've seen an effective vaccination program eradicate disease that was endemic to a multi-age continuously populated facility. I KNOW it works as advertised and would be terrified about going without an effective program. For example, we control salmonella with gene modified live competitive exclusion products as well as killed autogeneous vaccines that are specific to certain trans-ovarian strains as well as for general control. We will actually work with the vaccine companies to find and use certain specific isolates that come from the environment in our own facilities and develop the vaccine around the specific real challenges.
Vaccines work.
I am not an expert in that area but I believe that antibiotics are overused in both human medicine and in the production of livestock.I watched an interesting documentary called "farmagadden"
Do you feed your chickens progesterone and antibiotic laden grain so that they grow more white meat, faster?
Farmers and ranchers under pressure of survivable economy and profits often convince themselves that high density feedlots with hormones for growth, antibiotic also helps them grow faster but also keeps some illness at bay, is the healthy way to produce our foods.
Does over use of antibiotics represent a risk to humans of super bugs?
Does hormone grown meats produce human risks?
What do the doctor and geneticist say about that?
Experts often rely on training which comes from these same corrupted official sources so it is not automatic that they are correct as some where down the line they are basing their observations on assumed facts that may have been planted.
Since this trust debate revolves around trust of government and how industry effects government presented facts, does anyone wish to comment on the make up of the Food Pyramid? Which is largely discredited?
Here's the source of your problem.
The physical world has no "training" and does not obey government edicts.
Science is required -- let me emphasize that -- R E Q U I R E D -- to connect itself with the physical world, or it is not valid. That is not true for politics, religion, economics, conspiracy theories, law, and a variety of other incorrect analogies.
If you haven't looked at real studies, you'll have to take our word for it. Science does not lie easily, because of that connection. Someone -- like Wakefield -- may attempt a lie, but it gets uncovered when people can't replicate it. And that's where your assertions completely fall apart.
The food pyramid was discredited .... by the government.
So, were they lying back then, or now, or perhaps does the simpler explanation that new facts were discovered explain it?
Here's the source of your problem.
The physical world has no "training" and does not obey government edicts.
Science is required -- let me emphasize that -- R E Q U I R E D -- to connect itself with the physical world, or it is not valid. That is not true for politics, religion, economics, conspiracy theories, law, and a variety of other incorrect analogies.
If you haven't looked at real studies, you'll have to take our word for it. Science does not lie easily, because of that connection. Someone -- like Wakefield -- may attempt a lie, but it gets uncovered when people can't replicate it. And that's where your assertions completely fall apart.
I watched an interesting documentary called "farmagadden"
Do you feed your chickens progesterone and antibiotic laden grain so that they grow more white meat, faster?
Farmers and ranchers under pressure of survivable economy and profits often convince themselves that high density feedlots with hormones for growth, antibiotic also helps them grow faster but also keeps some illness at bay, is the healthy way to produce our foods.
Does over use of antibiotics represent a risk to humans of super bugs?
Does hormone grown meats produce human risks?
What do the doctor and geneticist say about that?
Do you feed your chickens progesterone and antibiotic laden grain so that they grow more white meat, faster?
Farmers and ranchers under pressure of survivable economy and profits often convince themselves that high density feedlots with hormones for growth, antibiotic also helps them grow faster but also keeps some illness at bay, is the healthy way to produce our foods.
Does over use of antibiotics represent a risk to humans of super bugs?
Does hormone grown meats produce human risks?
What do the doctor and geneticist say about that?
OK, I guess I better leave the observatory because some MBA/IT nutcase says I don't understand science.
Dude, you need to buy stock in tinfoil companies. You're seriously off your rocker here.
It's VERY clear that you don't know what science is or how it works, yet you know enough to call all of us liars. How clever.
I don't get them
Just vaccinations for things that will kill me, hep, yellow fever, typhoid, etc
Best thing to do to stay healthy is be healthy, I eat right, I'm active and seldom get sick and when I do it's a slight runny nose/caugh for a few days and that's that.
Read up on diffrent types of immunities, I skip flu etc vacs
I'm not a meat producer, I'm in the egg business. I've been directly responsible for our animal husbandry practices and feed policy for about eight years and in that time I would tell you we've never fed a hormone and have used antibiotics only when prescribed by our veterinarian and in those cases was for specific treatment and not prophylactic. To the best of my recollection, we have not used an antibiotic in the production phase for several years now, but have used them for treatment in the pullet growing phase within the last year.
No.
Funny thing about that. I very much feel that I have to produce what sells. I have to operate within the law and *I* feel bound to operate ethically. However, the average consumer goes to the big box store and buys the cheapest thing. We have this issue in animal agriculture called "production momentum". I have huge dollars invested in my production capacity that is going to produce whether I can sell economically in the market or not. In this scenario fractions of a cent per unit matter tremendously. At the end of the day, I produce a commodity and the consumer, for the most part, treats me that way. It's kind of a what came first question. The best thing you can do if you want hormone and antibiotic free products is to look for that on the label and buy it. That is the most clear signal you can send to the industry. Those products are certainly out there and available and the testing and labeling requirements are pretty stout. If you want eggs produced on the moon I'll figure out how to do it as long as you pay for it.
IMO, not as much as the over prescription and consumption of antibiotics by humans. As I said, I will only use antibiotics when the vet tells me it is in the best interest of the birds in light of a specific challenge. I have no issue with that at all. I am opposed to using antibiotics as a preventative measure.
By "hormone grown", you mean the farmer adding more of the hormones that are their naturally in smaller quantities? Again, in my business, even if I wanted to do this there is no label approved product so anything done would be detectable and illegal. I believe this is also true for broilers.
I can't speak for them, but I will offer my opinion. You appear to be willing to be swayed by half-baked science and propaganda in the face of legitimate science, evidence and regulation.
Why is poison allowed in almost every mouth wash?
Why is poison allowed in almost every tooth paste?
Why are dangerous hormones allowed in the food supply?
Science predicts super bugs from over use of antibiotics yet over use exists they are even in our food supply.
Why are dangerous chemicals allowed in hair dye? Makeup? Perfumes? Chemical home cleaners?