flight school uniform?

CharlieD3 said:
42. Flight School Uniforms <=> tight patterns.
A. Epaulets
B. No
C. Maybe
D. All of the above


Hmm?

Epaulets generate lift.= With epaulets, you WILL make the runway. Without? Maybe just the environs.

Is the question in the oral, or part of the practical?
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It's in the oral, but only in a Mooney.
 
School uniforms exist to teach professionalism, not to teach flying. Some people need it. Try not to sneer at them.
 
bflynn said:
School uniforms exist to teach professionalism, not to teach flying. Some people need it. Try not to sneer at them.
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It's not a sneer. Flight School student uniforms is nothing more than a marketing tool.
 
I guess we disagree. They reason for having kids in pilot uniforms is to teach them to wear uniforms and to keep them neat. It is a basic skill of professional pilots that we don’t think about much in the US.
 
I was working in Alaska when I needed to get the ATP.

I went to Texas for that, in summer, and wore a polo style shirt with my shorts and sandals.....

Probably lost 10 pounds in that humidity and heat.
 
bflynn said:
I guess we disagree. They reason for having kids in pilot uniforms is to teach them to wear uniforms and to keep them neat. It is a basic skill of professional pilots that we don’t think about much in the US.
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Because I would rather, prior to these future Yeagers flossing and flying a 737 I'm seated in, to dedicate the brain-space to airmanship, not pant-creases and shoulderboards.

Cabin crew should absolutely be trained to groom the pilots, IMO, and keep their appearances neat and tidy. :D
 
schmookeeg said:
Because I would rather, prior to these future Yeagers flossing and flying a 737 I'm seated in, to dedicate the brain-space to airmanship, not pant-creases and shoulderboards.
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If they can't do both, I don't want to be anywhere near an airplane they're flying.
 
it takes zero brain power to wear a uniform. But it does take training to adopt a dedication to looking professional. That is part of what these schools are teaching.

You don’t need it, fine. the kids in the picture above are not you.
 
Doc Holliday said:
It's not a sneer. Flight School student uniforms is nothing more than a marketing tool.
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Actually Doc a good uniform policy , if done properly, provides for increased security and efficiency.

You will find uniforms utilized in criminal justice, fire science, medicine, and aviation in the college setting just to name a few.
 
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Clip4 said:
Actually Doc a good uniform policy , if done properly, provides for increased security and efficiency.

You will find uniforms utilized in criminal justice, fire science, medicine, and aviation in the college setting just to name a few.
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The ones in medicine are just a status symbol. They're supposed to promote aseptic practices, but the uses I've seen are anything but. Lab coats used in scientific laboratories are indeed deter to promote aseptic practices, and do so very, very well. But research labs are the antithesis of uniform dress policy.
 
Clip4 said:
Actually Doc a good uniform policy , if done properly, provides for increased security and efficiency.

You will find uniforms utilized in criminal justice, fire science, medicine, and aviation in the college setting just to name a few.
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We're discussing flight schools. And for a flight school, it's purely marketing.

BTW, how many stripes are on your epaulets?
 
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Doc Holliday said:
We're discussing flight schools. And for a flight school, it's purely marketing.

BTW, how many stripes are on your epaulets?
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Do me a favor. Do a search for how to market a flight school and show me somebody claiming uniforms help you market a flight school. I don’t believe you will find any.
 
Clip4 said:
Do me a favor. Do a search for how to market a flight school and show me somebody claiming uniforms help you market a flight school. I don’t believe you will find any.
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The school has to promote an image. That image is the school is a direct path to an airline career. Take a kid and parents who know little about aviation, they are looking into flight schools. They see a webpage like this: https://www.l3commercialaviation.com/airline-academy/

See all the spiffy airline type uniforms? The aviator sunglasses? Airplanes with logos on the tail (just like the airlines)? Even call it an "airline academy" instead of the boring "flight school". Also notice 7 pictures of model type students all dressed up, but no pictures of aircraft, cockpit panels, inflight pics, etc. They sure wanted to make an impression on that first page. Wonder why no pictures of the typical students and instructors?

That webpage is total marketing hype.

BTW, how many stripes on your epaulets?
 
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Clip4 said:
Do me a favor. Do a search for how to market a flight school and show me somebody claiming uniforms help you market a flight school. I don’t believe you will find any.
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Have you seen any data to indicate that students who are required to wear uniforms end up having a better safety record after getting hired, or even that they are more likely to get hired?
 
It's public appearance training, nothing more. For better or worse, people judge you on your appearance. If you look sloppy, they believe you are disorganized, which is not a good image for a pilot. A lot of these people, especially young ones, don't appreciate the need to present a good image.

Are some companies using it for marketing too? Of course, they want to present the same public image for the same public perception reason.

It has zero to do with actual flying.
 
Palmpilot said:
Have you seen any data to indicate that students who are required to wear uniforms end up having a better safety record after getting hired, or even that they are more likely to get hired?
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I know that the airline affiliated flight schools require uniforms, so the airlines think it is important.
 
Clip4 said:
I know that the airline affiliated flight schools require uniforms, so the airlines think it is important.
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Can you show us where the airlines that are affiliated require the flight school to have their students in a uniform?
 
Doc Holliday said:
The school has to promote an image. That image is the school is a direct path to an airline career. Take a kid and parents who know little about aviation, they are looking into flight schools. They see a webpage like this: https://www.l3commercialaviation.com/airline-academy/

See all the spiffy airline type uniforms? The aviator sunglasses? Airplanes with logos on the tail (just like the airlines)? Even call it an "airline academy" instead of the boring "flight school". Also notice 7 pictures of model type students all dressed up, but no pictures of aircraft, cockpit panels, inflight pics, etc. They sure wanted to make an impression on that first page. Wonder why no pictures of the typical students and instructors?

That webpage is total marketing hype.

BTW, how many stripes on your epaulets?
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What flight school do you know of that markets harder than ATP. They don’t require an airline uniform, but the do have a dress code and expect you to show up properly groomed. They also expect you not not show up without body odor. If an airline uniform was bringing more student through the door, you can bet they would require it.


https://atpflightschool.com/faqs/uniform_policy.html
 
just a couple weekends ago my family and I made a highway lunch stop at Hijacker's (KFIN) just so I could have a chance to watch some planes.
My son and I were talking about the students that were there doing a preflight from one of the nearby big uniformed schools.
I get it, but to me it's silly.
In my opinion, that stuff might make more sense as they are transitioning into a real passenger carrying cabin class something...but not banging around in a little 172...but even then a uniform such as a polo shirt with logo makes more sense to me unless they're doing real passenger airline service.
 
Doc Holliday said:
Can you show us where the airlines that are affiliated require the flight school to have their students in a uniform?
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It’s a professional program. if you want the affiliation your students are going to be in uniform.
 
Clip4 said:
It’s a professional program. if you want the affiliation your students are going to be in uniform.
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So you've read the contracts between the flight school and the airlines? And the airlines specified the uniform types, styles, etc?

BTW, how many stripes on your epaulets?
 
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Brad W said:
just a couple weekends ago my family and I made a highway lunch stop at Hijacker's (KFIN) just so I could have a chance to watch some planes.
My son and I were talking about the students that were there doing a preflight from one of the nearby big uniformed schools.
I get it, but to me it's silly.
In my opinion, that stuff might make more sense as they are transitioning into a real passenger carrying cabin class something...but not banging around in a little 172...but even then a uniform such as a polo shirt with logo makes more sense to me unless they're doing real passenger airline service.
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Take a look at this puppy mill. https://www.l3commercialaviation.com/airline-academy/ Look at the carefully modeled pictures. Does anyone believe that at Sanford, Florida, in July, with 95 degrees and 90% humidity these guys are walking around dressed like this? Or even flying around in non air conditioned cockpits with ties and white dress shirts?

I agree with you, a more comfortable polo shirt and slacks makes more sense.
 
I fail to understand why some people have their panties in such a twist about this. No one is forcing you to wear a white shirt with epaulets, and obviously none of the students are being chained down and forced to wear the uniform. Jeebus, let it go.
 
DaleB said:
I fail to understand why some people have their panties in such a twist about this. No one is forcing you to wear a white shirt with epaulets, and obviously none of the students are being chained down and forced to wear the uniform. Jeebus, let it go.
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Agreed. Go to a flight school that suits your needs.

But also understand slick advertising is not an indicator of quality. Models dressed in perfect fitting uniforms does not equate an airline job just for attending.
 
Doc Holliday said:
Agreed. Go to a flight school that suits your needs.

But also understand slick advertising is not an indicator of quality. Models dressed in perfect fitting uniforms does not equate an airline job just for attending.
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So what? What's your point? The world is full of nearly identical examples of style over substance. Very few people don't understand that pretty doesn't mean good... the ones that don't, keep the crappy players in business. Has ever been thus, and will always be. This is like bitching because there's more than one type of grass or something.
 
Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door
I don't care what they're going to say
Let the storm rage on
The cold never bothered me anyway
Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door
Let it go (go, go, go go, go go, go go, go, go, go go)
Let it go
Let it go
Let it go
 
I know there is one theme here that people miss. If you own the flight school, you get to set the polices and rules. If you don’t like it, go some where else or better yet open your own flight school.
 
Ryanb said:
Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door
I don't care what they're going to say
Let the storm rage on
The cold never bothered me anyway
Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door
Let it go (go, go, go go, go go, go go, go, go, go go)
Let it go
Let it go
Let it go
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That would seem to be good advice for anyone who tries to control what others talk about. ;)

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Clip4 said:
I know there is one theme here that people miss. If you own the flight school, you get to set the polices and rules. If you don’t like it, go some where else or better yet open your own flight school.
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In which post did anyone dispute that? All I've seen is a disagreement about whether student uniforms affect the results.
 
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Palmpilot said:
Have you seen any data to indicate that students who are required to wear uniforms end up having a better safety record after getting hired, or even that they are more likely to get hired?
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Do you have a source where safety data and flight school uniform dated is collected? As far as employment, if you want to compare hiring from ERU vs Bud’s Flying Service that is a no brainer.
 
bflynn said:
It's public appearance training, nothing more. For better or worse, people judge you on your appearance. If you look sloppy, they believe you are disorganized, which is not a good image for a pilot. A lot of these people, especially young ones, don't appreciate the need to present a good image.

Are some companies using it for marketing too? Of course, they want to present the same public image for the same public perception reason.

It has zero to do with actual flying.
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I dunno. Our EAA chapter decided to go with a "uniform" that the pilots wear for Young Eagle rallyes. We all agreed to a lime green polo with our chapter logo on the sleeve. It's both an "image" concept and a safety tool. Easy to look over the ramp to see the pilots and ground crew (lime green vests). Anyone else is being escorted and if not, everything comes to a halt for safety.
 
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