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Final Approach
While I am fully aware of the hundreds of folks sitting behind me, I figure that if I make there alive, so will they........... and operate accordingly.
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While I am fully aware of the hundreds of folks sitting behind me, I figure that if I make there alive, so will they........... and operate accordingly.
LOL......
Understood....
While I am fully aware that I am responsible for several billion (with a B ) dollars of liability every time I push the throttles up, not to mention the lives of hundreds of folks sitting behind me, I figure that if I make there alive, so will they........... and operate accordingly.
Which is one reason why I would never get on a remotely-piloted airliner.
Authorities say it was set by a contract employee who also tried to commit suicide.
Well - here we go. The guy was a direct Harris employee, but the FAA facility was his permanent place of employment.
I go into a lot of high dollar facilities, I'll bet this is going to make it harder for me to access a lot of them. Ya know - just in case I might want to burn the place down or anything. I can see the hole in the security happening. I've been granted unescorted access to a lot of places that were pretty sensitive including several nuke reactors in the past.
IMO, if the area is that sensitive there should be no one in there unescorted or alone, even FAA employees.
Farm it all out to LockMart, just like FSS. It'll be all run out of a handful of locations within a year.
(You decide if I'm serious or being sarcastic, I'm not saying. I bet both for and against arguments could easily be made. Doesn't matter anyway, to farm it out would require that a Senator's friend stands to make at least $100M so there's plenty of graft for the Senator.)
Farm it all out to LockMart, just like FSS. It'll be all run out of a handful of locations within a year.
I dont doubt that you are correct, but I wonder if it might be feasible to add a couple extra seats at each of a bunch of local airports, that could be wired into the system such that in a case such as this the controllers could be sent to various existing ATC sites and keep things going at some functional level. Having entire ARTCC backup sites would be incredibly expensive and hard to justify, but having a little extra equipment in facilities that are already there might not be such a huge thing to do. Plus they could probably justify some of it as backup for the equipment in that facility as well.
A "few billion dollars" is an absurd amount of money, that seems way too high.
A "few billion dollars" is an absurd amount of money, that seems way too high.
They thank you for the use of your credit card.
no they don't, they expect the use of our credit cards...
Good point! Not only that, we are supposed to get out of their way on the road and stay out of their sky and god forbid we ever think about criticizing them...More accurately, they expect us to thank them.
Good point! Not only that, we are supposed to get out of their way on the road and stay out of their sky and god forbid we ever think about criticizing them...
http://www.kansas.com/news/business/article2294043.html#/tabPane=tabs-f5c7dea6-1
"The Federal Aviation Administration is reviewing security practices and how it deals with unexpected incidents throughout its air traffic control facilities following last week's fire at a Chicago-area air traffic facility, agency administrator Michael Huerta said Monday."
No mention of implementing DR, though.
http://www.kansas.com/news/business/article2294043.html#/tabPane=tabs-f5c7dea6-1
"The Federal Aviation Administration is reviewing security practices and how it deals with unexpected incidents throughout its air traffic control facilities following last week's fire at a Chicago-area air traffic facility, agency administrator Michael Huerta said Monday."
No mention of implementing DR, though.
Wonder if Operation Raincheck will be terminated.
Yeah, I just got an update from my ops that the FAA is still insisting on 100% by 10/13... I'm headed up to MI through ORD on Wednesday, so hopefully it's close. (Although, truth be told, I wouldn't complain about some in-air delays while I'm being paid block with a few laps in a hold for currency...)However, they said they were expecting to have the computers back online Monday, and they just said on the news that the "Aurora Tower" is opening again tomorrow.
Flew on Southwest MKE to LAS on Thursday and it was 13-14K for a while, talk about a bumpy ride!!
The ORD traffic is back to normal now. Up to yesterday, anyone going out of ORD climbing high went right to a surrounding ARTCC (ZMP, ZOB, ZKC, or ZID). Radar coverage did limit some low level ops, though.
That's OK so long as they also implement a Disaster Recovery plan.
Truthfully, that is the first step toward DR (and what I advocated throughout this thread). Centralize then standardize. Then you can have redundancy. It is 2014. There is no reason to have local ARTCCs anymore.
Yeah, much better to put all of our eggs in one basket. There's no way this guy could've cut the wires to the entire nationwide ARTCC system if they were all located in one location!
Truthfully, that is the first step toward DR (and what I advocated throughout this thread). Centralize then standardize. Then you can have redundancy. It is 2014. There is no reason to have local ARTCCs anymore.
The ORD traffic is back to normal now. Up to yesterday, anyone going out of ORD climbing high went right to a surrounding ARTCC (ZMP, ZOB, ZKC, or ZID). Radar coverage did limit some low level ops, though.
How do you propose we standardize? Do you dynamite the Rockies to form a universal MEA? Do we change naming conventions on airports so they are now Alpha Bravo Charlie etc based on counter clockwise from the sector center? Do we just roll with the same 50 fix names (ie Airport Bravo ILS IF is FIXER)? What is the standardized runway configuration for all airports in the US? What is the standard LOA that works for both Pudunk approach and NY approach? Which frequencies are standard (I get to hear the ATIS from an airport 500 miles away) without bleed over? Which sector size do we choose that works both at NYC and Western Montana?
Maybe you know something controllers don't and I'd welcome your input. Its like saying standardizing airplanes just in case. I recall a gentleman who hadn't flown more than a skylane landing a king air a few years back. To any pilot on this board, that was a HUGE DEAL and rightfully so. Airspace is airpace just like an airplane is an airplane.
Honestly though I see what you're getting at. Some emergency center with all the maps and feeds ready to go just in case. Here's how I see that playing out. "News at 6, the FAA spent a billion dollars on a vacant ATC facility and employs guards and maintainers and it hasn't been used in 30 years."
Any of the airline guys operating out of ORD - have you been provided with instructions on how to avoid ZAU?