Uh, Scott... I've gotta go with Steven on this one. What he said made a lot more sense than what you did, even within the context of our conversation:
KELSI is 3 miles form my home airport and I still have never been assigned KELSI.
OK, we start with KELSI and you say you've never gotten it.
No it's not, unless you're based at KVYS. You're right by KRENA and FARMM. Lots and lots of ORD arrivals coming through there.
The purpose of KELSI is to keep you from ever getting into C90 airspace. Since you're already *IN* C90 airspace, there's no point to them giving you KELSI.
Next time you're flying from somewhere away from Chicago (like MSN, DBQ, RFD, etc.) and going to someplace on the other side of Chicago (FWA, LAF, etc.) see what you get.
I say WHY you haven't gotten it: It's for keeping people out of C90 airspace. You're already in C90 airspace, so there's no point in giving it to you.
Does not matter what direction my destination is, my clearance is always that same. Cleared to xyz, 3000 feet expect 1234feet 10 minutes after departure, upone entering controlled airspace heading of 180. I have even got this heading IFR to the north, where it made no sense to start me out going straight to the south. They then turned me east twards ORD and then north, got me in the conga line to the badger VOR. If I head out west the still give me the same clearence but then start sending me towards POLO. If I can leave VFR I will wait until I hit RFD's airspce and get my clearence from them.
This part is largely irrelevant, though interesting. If you read my previous post I was saying that if you fly FROM somewhere "away from chicago" (I should have said outside C90 airspace) TO somewhere "away from chicago" (same, outside C90's domain), VIA a route that would take you through any part of C90 airspace, KELSI (or sometimes the nearby SHOOF) will be part of your route.
But if you're flying from somewhere else, such as MSN, DBQ, RFD, etc., your clearance will probably be different.
Like Steven said: Fly from one of those other places, and your clearance will be different than it is at 10C.
As I said in my original post, no it is not. It is always the same, CHiApp starts me on a 180 heading up to 3000, then they will RV to the direction they want.
And this is the point where you either misunderstood what I said, or decided you wanted to pick a fight with Steven, or both.
CHiApp doesn't issue clearances from MSN, DBQ, or RFD. I suggest you take the time to actually read what you're responding to.
I'm afraid I have to agree this time.
I did but since we were talking about clearances from my home airport I only assumed that you had mistyped your response and were in fact talking about those places as destinations. If what you meant was what you typed then I can only add that your statement made no sense in the context of the discussion that was taking place at the time between Kent and myself.
We *started* talking about clearances from your home airport, and I told you why you didn't get KELSI, and suggested that if you fly from... Well, I said it twice already. (Specifically NOT your home airport as you state above.)
We weren't talking about clearances from just your home airport. The question was asked by flyingcheesehead, not by me, and it did make sense. Take the time to read and understand before you respond.
Again, gotta go with Steven on this one, Scott. Flying from "MSN, DBQ, RFD, etc." (that's four)
I'll tyupe slow so that oyu can understand.
Apparently, not slow enough.
Hell, you're typing too fast for your spell checker to keep up!
My home airport is outside of the Class Bravo and I always get the same clearance it is never to KELSI. Kent mentioned in his post several airports and a BIG ETC if you read. My airport is part of the ETCs airports away from Chicago. I am right at the border of Chi-App, RFD's airspace and Milwaukee's.
Yes, you are outside the Bravo. No, you are NOT outside C90 airspace. You may be "at the border" but the A/FD entry for your home field clearly says that it is controlled by Chicago Approach/Departure on 120.55.
Yet Chi-App always has be fly south, further into their airspace. I would presume it is because the hand off would have to happen pretty quick and this way they set me up for an orderly transistion. It would seem that if their intent was to keep everyone away they would send me quickly away instead of further into their area of control. Therefore Kent's postulation may not hold entirely true.
Capice?
If you were unsure you could have asked a reasonable question.
Or are you just going to start arguing again like we see all too often?
Scott, it appears in this particular instance that you are the one who started the argument - Steven clearly understood what I was trying to communicate. Maybe I was not clear enough, as your statement about being outside the Bravo seems to indicate. When I said "away from Chicago" I should have specifically stated "Outside C90 airspace" (which is NOT the same as "outside the Chicago class B", and I thought I implied very strongly in the previous paragraph that that's what I meant - I did use the words "in C90 airspace" even). But Steven clearly understood what I meant, and said what I'd have said if I'd have gotten here first: The fact that IFR departures from your airport call C90 on 120.55 is what makes the difference.
You mentioned departing VFR and picking up your clearance from RFD. They don't tell you to fly heading 180, etc. right? Thus, the point is made that the clearance you receive from a different facility is going to...
But if you're flying from somewhere else, such as MSN, DBQ, RFD, etc., your clearance will probably be different.
... Uhh, yeah, that.
