FAA shutdown may last through August

1. No more towers.
State towers.
2. No more FAA taxes
State taxes.
3. Pilot licenses would probably change administrative control to the state DOT, where it belongs to begin with
50 different sets of regs. Just like you were flying from country to country.

I may just be jaded, but I'd love to see the FAA get replaced by state aviation agencies instead.
I think that's one of the worst ideas I've heard.
 
Possibly. But then aviation is funded where it ought to be funded.
I don't have a problem with Federal funding to provide an integrated aviation infrastructure. I do think the states and/or the local governments should have to pay a greater percentage of the cost of projects. It's all too easy to spend free money from Uncle Sam. If they had more skin in the game, we wouldn't see some of the unnecessary or grandiose projects.
 
Might not see any projects at all in some States... certainly not ones that would benefit anything smaller than an airliner.

But generally -- I think the FAA needs a priorities reset pretty badly. Would have much rather seen FCC get stuck without a budget for an extended period before FAA, though. :)
 
I may just be jaded, but I'd love to see the FAA get replaced by state aviation agencies instead.

Within a couple of years, we would have states where landing particular types of private planes (e.g. ones burning leaded fuel) would become unlawful.

I deal with states in the area of regulation. Here's a secret: They stink at regulating stuff.
 
I deal with states in the area of regulation. Here's a secret: They stink at regulating stuff.

A poorly kept secret. Another poorly kept secret: on the federal level the stink is made uniform from coast to coast.
 
State towers.
State taxes.
50 different sets of regs. Just like you were flying from country to country.

I think that's one of the worst ideas I've heard.

It would be just like driving (flying is just like driving anyway). It would just mean you have to learn the laws where you are travelling to, no different than driving there.

The only place the feds need to be involed is a one line of federal law: Enroute airspace belongs to the departure airport. That way, you follow one set of laws until the wheels touch the ground.
 
I still maintain that a shutdown of the FAA is a good thing. They don't really provide any valuable service to VFR Only, GA flyers. Their very existence was brought about by a lack of skill in maintaining visual separation between airliners.

So what happens if the FAA goes away for good....completely:

1. No more towers.
2. No more FAA taxes
3. Pilot licenses would probably change administrative control to the state DOT, where it belongs to begin with
4. Maybe we will finally get somewhere in aviation that isn't hacked together using technology from 60 years ago

I may just be jaded, but I'd love to see the FAA get replaced by state aviation agencies instead.

How did you conclude we'd lose those things if the FAA went away for good? Towers, taxes, federal licenses, etc., existed before the FAA.
 
It would be just like driving (flying is just like driving anyway). It would just mean you have to learn the laws where you are travelling to, no different than driving there.

The only place the feds need to be involed is a one line of federal law: Enroute airspace belongs to the departure airport. That way, you follow one set of laws until the wheels touch the ground.

Your ideas are unworkable, but I do not believe you're capable of understanding why.
 
It would be just like driving (flying is just like driving anyway). It would just mean you have to learn the laws where you are travelling to, no different than driving there.
I would rather have uniform driving laws throughout the country too. But it should be obvious that it would be harder with aviation since airplanes engage in interstate travel more often than cars.
 
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He had no RNC support in the primary and almost none when he won. Remember how close the election was too? Something like 200 votes between him an the incumbent.

The incumbent was one of the many that just knew that she knew better than all of her constituents telling her to not vote for the TARP bailout. She became one of the many that found out that all of her constituents would show how smart they are and vote for the Tea Party guy who has since said he's perfectly OK only serving for one term of destruction.
 
i seem to recall that the runway was extended in Iowa City during the Bush administration.

Nope.

Edit: Not that it matters to this conversation, but if memory serves Rwy 25 was partially repaved at the end of the Bush years, and then extended using Obamabux a year or two later.

(Bush, Obama -- who really cares? Maybe they're a slightly different pattern, but they are surely cut from the same cloth. Neither one could balance a checkbook, let alone a national budget. But I digress...)

Then, Rwy 12/30 was redone entirely with ObamaBux, after the airport commission hurriedly slapped together a "shovel-ready" plan for the Feds. I still remember the "high-fives" in that meeting, as they fleeced the taxpayers for millions...
 
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The incumbent was one of the many that just knew that she knew better than all of her constituents telling her to not vote for the TARP bailout. She became one of the many that found out that all of her constituents would show how smart they are and vote for the Tea Party guy who has since said he's perfectly OK only serving for one term of destruction.

Oh... so the Tea Party ruined the DC mess?
 

really. i moved to Kansas one month after President Obama was sworn in. I seem to recall flying to Iowa City the summer before that when work had started on that project.

Regardless there was plenty of airport improvement money being handed out under the Bush Administration, and probably the Clinton Administration, and I wouldn't be surprised much further back than that.

A previous thread on here seemed to indicate that you were quite happy with the taxiway improvements they made at Iowa City with airport improvement funds.
 
A pretty good analysis of the shutdown.

On the same day that Congress sent a bipartisan agreement to raise the debt limit to President Obama, lawmakers were unable to bridge a divide over the Federal Aviation Administration, as the House and Senate headed home until after Labor Day.
"We have a crisis on our hands with the FAA," said Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), as she used a speech on the Senate floor to blast Republicans for "hostage-taking" on the FAA matter, as Democrats accused the GOP of playing partisan politics with the FAA bill.



http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/jamie-dupree/2011/aug/02/faa-shutdown-through-labor-day/
 
Good.

My airport in Iowa received those bogus FAA funds (we called them "ObamaBux") to re-do the runways, and the waste was sinful. The job should have been paid for locally, for half the cost.

Borrowing money from China so that we can enjoy runways my kids must pay for is neither intelligent nor sustainable.
Seems that funds and problems were well entrenched years before Obama even thought of running for office

As some of you know, our airport (Iowa City Municipal -- KIOW) is entirely shut down for the month of August during runway reconstruction. This incredibly stupid situation has resulted from a long-series of lame-brained decisions, stretching back more than a decade.

Please relax and bear with me while I rant for a while. I need to get this off my chest.

Back in 1996, our airport commissioners knew that the WWII-era runway/taxiway pavement was deteriorating. Their Master Plan therefore included runway and taxiway resurfacing. The plan also included the ultimate closure of our North/South Rwy 18/36. Formerly the main runway (back in the airline days), it took off right over the growing city. The FAA stated that a GA airport our size didn't need three runways, and would no longer provide federal funding to support that runway.

However, it was written that Rwy 18/36 should not close before the other two runways were repaved, since to do so would mean closing the airport 100% while the intersection of the other two runways was repaved.

Nothing happened. We were saddled with a long-term, do-nothing (full-time) airport manager -- a throw-back to the airline days -- a long-term FBO owner who had made many enemies in City Hall, and a city council that was only interested in the land value of the airport. The only thing saving our airport was the Airport Commission structure itself, an independent governing body made up of volunteers whose charter was to do whatever was best for the airport -- period.

With this independent governing body in the way, the city was powerless to close the airport -- thankfully. However, there was a loophole -- the city council appointed all the commissioners to the airport commission.

Thus began a long effort to appoint lackeys to the commission who would do the council's bidding. Non-pilots became the norm for appointees from that point onward. (And remains so today.)

Fast forward to 2001. Mary and I were hangared in the oldest row of T-hangars on the airport. The asphalt taxiways leading from the WWII-era runways to our hangar were deteriorated to the point where taxiing was becoming dangerous. The pavement was breaking down into large rocks and loose gravel, and the asphalt had broken up into thousands of little "islands", which -- after a rainstorm -- would allow water to bubble up when you stood on them.

Still nothing was being done. The airport was slowly being choked to death by not-so-benign neglect.

So, we decided to take matters into our own hands. In 2002 I formed the "Friends of Iowa City Airport" (FOICA), an airport users's group. Primarily an email group, it quickly grew to over 300 members. We started clamoring for regular maintenance, and for the airport to follow it's own master plan.

By now, the city council had completed their task of planting stool pidgeons on the commission. FOICA members started attending the monthly meetings -- something NO ONE had ever done before, apparently -- and I began publishing unofficial meeting minutes to the FOICA email group. This shed an uncomfortably bright light on what was formerly an entirely private function.

After a few months, much to my amazement, we discovered that the airport commission was seriously discussing disbanding itself! The commission that had been wisely set up after WWII for the sole purpose of protecting the airport from future generations of money-grubbing politicians was actually considering political suicide!

Knowing that this was the first step toward seizure by the city council -- and ultimate closure -- FOICA sprang into action. We packed commission meetings with airport supporters, and several commission members resigned. The mayor, local media, and city manager attended these formerly sleepy meetings, and we made our voices heard.

At last the head stool pidgeon brought the issue to a vote. A motion to dissolve the airport commission was put on the table, and we all held our collective breath. By this point there were only three commissioners left -- the other three had resigned -- and the vote came down to two votes opposed, to one in favor. We had won!

The stool pidgeon immediately resigned after the meeting.

Still, we now had just TWO commissioners, and the city council had to appoint the other four. Over the next few months they approved four new commissioners, only one of whom was a pilot. But what a choice he turned out to be!

This guy was a real spark plug, well connected in the University of Iowa, well-liked, and very high energy. Most importantly, he was a new pilot himself -- something the city council apparently didn't know about him. He started asking the obvious questions -- why aren't we applying for federal grants? Why are our runways falling apart? All eyes turned to our long-term, full-time airport manager -- who had nothing to say.

Amazingly, because past, do-nothing commissions had not given him any direction, he had done precisely what any good gummint bureacrat does -- NOTHING. He had simply laid low, collected his $80K annual salary (plus bennies), and done nothing for the airport.

Thankfully, this spark plug on the commission started looking at airport operations and management, and realized that things were simply not getting done, and that our airport manager was getting paid huge money for doing absolutely nothing. In the end, the commission actually FIRED the airport manager -- which (to my knowledge) is simply unprecedented in gummint. (Of course, the whole thing ended up in court. But the decision stood up.)

Then, the commission, under the guidance of this spark plug, began looking at other ways to run the airport. Without airline service there was no longer any need for a full-time airport manager -- but the city still had memories of the now-retired old FBO owner (who had run the place like his own fiefdom) -- so rather than farming out the operation to their new FBO (as so many airports do) they decided to retain control by hiring a part-time manager.

Where to find such a person? Again, our well-connected spark plug stepped in, and managed to obtain interns from the University of Dubuque's aviation management program. Thus, we were able to get a couple of part-time, bright and highly energetic students, who went after grants with a vengeance while getting on-the-job training, at an extremely low cost. Everything was right with the world!

Soon, the grants started coming our way. First, the taxiways were repaved -- at last! Finally we could stop sandblasting our plane every time we flew. Then grants for hangar rehab, ramp reconstruction, and --ultimately -- runway repaving were applied for and received.

But trouble was brewing. Our spark plug accepted a job offer at another university far from Iowa City, and resigned from the commission. With no one to coordinate the intern program, the commissioners voted to hire one of the interns to run the airport, losing the constant influx of enthusiasm and new ideas. (And, as importantly, the low cost.) And the city council was still quite effective at packing the commission with airport-neutral (at best) commissioners.

Without the spark plug to keep the ship facing into the wind, bad things began to happen again.

In 2006, the commission chair -- a city council plant from the get-go -- decided that it was time to close our North/South runway, even though the Airport Master Plan dictated that this runway remain open until the other runways had been repaved. This inexplicable decision was made with such speed that there were students and instructors in the pattern when it happened. No notice was given, no public discussion took place beforehand. (It has since been widely assumed that someone on the city council had been approached by a developer who wanted to build off the North end of the airport -- but no proof of that has ever been produced.)

This created quite an uproar in the pilot community, as you might expect. But the decision was irreversible -- the stoolie was backed by our city council -- and was made permanent by the chairperson's decision to use grant money to move our AWOS INTO THE MIDDLE of the closed runway! The purported reason for this incredible decision was that the AWOS needed to be more centrally located on the airport, but the real reason was obvious.

Ironically, because an AWOS cannot be located on concrete (it warps the temperature readings) the commission spent tens of thousands of dollars digging up 60' x 100' of the old runway, so that the AWOS could be placed on grass. And, so that the old runway could never be reopened by future commissions.

Then, our commission voted to tear down our historic Boeing/United hangar. This hangar, built in 1930, was one of just seven original Boeing-built airmail hangars left in America. FOICA fought to save the old hangar for five years, but ultimate lost. Even though moving the hangar would have only cost $30K, and refurbishing it only $150K, the hangar was torn down late last year.

Incredibly, in the same meeting that we lost the battle, the commission -- finding itself short of large hangar space -- voted to apply for a $750K grant to build a similar-sized hangar. We were incredulous.

In 2006 grant money for the long-planned (like, since WWII) extension of Rwy 25 was received. It took over a year to add 500 feet of concrete (typical gummint program, eh?), but by 2008 we at last we had the magic 5000' feet of runway, so crucial for biz jet insurance. The other end of that runway was slated for repaving this year, which would leave us with Rwy 12/30 to use.

Enter the "Great Recession" and our gummint's "Spendulus" package. Suddenly, ObamaBux were flowing like water, and it became obvious that -- if we could prove we were "shovel-ready" -- Iowa City could get BOTH runways repaved this year. Cool! (Hey, if you're gonna spend your grand-kids' money, it may as well be on something permanent like airport infrastructure...)

So, the airport manager and commission applied for -- and received -- the extra federal grants. Let the bulldozers roll!

Whoops -- guess what? With rwy 18/36 closed, and both remaining runways torn up, the airport must be shut down entirely. No problem -- just reopen the old runway!

Crap, that AWOS is in the way. No problem, the original runway was 120' wide, still leaving 60' of usable runway. Oops, in the meantime, our airport commission had (believe it or not) leased that part of the airport to a seed company that uses that end of the airport for it's experimental corn crops! And guess what -- they use the old runway to run their tour-buses full of farmers past the immaculately-kept fields of genetically modified corn, apparently in an effort to get them to buy their seed.

I am NOT making this up. We couldn't reopen that runway because our airport commision had leased it to farmers who are driving air-conditioned tour busses up and down it.

Okay, well, no problem -- the remaining part of Rwy 25 (on the East side of the runway intersection) is still 2500' long. That portion of the runway can remain open throughout construction, and NOTAM'd "use at own risk". Airports across the country do this every day, and heck, lots of airport runways are SHORTER than 2500' -- right?

Nope. In a unanimous decision, our current airport commission voted to close the airport for the month of September, because using that "short" a runway would be "dangerous" and they didn't want the liability if there was an incident.

Aside from the absurdity of calling a 2500' runway "short", you may have noticed that I said "the month of September". Last month, with just 20 days notice, the commission announced that the airport closure had been moved up a full month, to August! Thankfully we were able to convince them to leave the airport open until August 3rd -- the day after Oshkosh Airventure ended -- or pilots attending OSH would not have been able to come home!

Apparently the powers that be in the University had heard about the plan to close in September, and thown a fit. It seems that too many donating alumni fly in for Hawkeye home football games, you see, and we wouldn't want to torque THEM off.

So, everyone on the airport was left scrambling. Guys who had arranged for hangar space at other nearby airports for September were screwed. Both of my planes are now parked outside on the ramp in nearby Washington, Iowa (AWG), because hangar space wasn't available anywhere on such short notice.

And, in a final "coup de grace", the airport commission decided not to grant any rent relief to ANY airport tenants -- including our FBO! We must all pay for the month of August, even though the airport is entirely shut down. (And let's not even contemplate what will happen if we get bad weather, and the construction schedule is delayed...)

This has been a train wreck for everyone concerned, of course. Our fly-in business at the hotel has been decimated. Normally we pick up quite a bit of post-OSH fly-in guests, but that's all gone elsewhere now. Just what we needed in a year when travel is already down 25%. And, of course, our poor FBO is entirely shut down. Their pilots are mowing, moved to other airports, or unemployed. According to one of their staff members, the maintenance shop had about 11 days of work lined up in advance, after which they would be shutting down.

So, here's where we sit -- thanks for listening. I can't fly without driving 1.5 hours (round trip), my planes are parked outside in the often-brutal Iowa summer weather, and my business has been crippled -- all because of incredibly stupid government decisions that were made in the face of so many obviously better choices. I know there's nothing to be done now, but when I start to hyperventilate I just try to remember how nice it will be when the runways are done. That'll be small consolation if we and our FBO don't survive the project -- but it's the best we can do...

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A pretty good analysis of the shutdown.

On the same day that Congress sent a bipartisan agreement to raise the debt limit to President Obama, lawmakers were unable to bridge a divide over the Federal Aviation Administration, as the House and Senate headed home until after Labor Day.
"We have a crisis on our hands with the FAA," said Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), as she used a speech on the Senate floor to blast Republicans for "hostage-taking" on the FAA matter, as Democrats accused the GOP of playing partisan politics with the FAA bill.


http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/jamie-dupree/2011/aug/02/faa-shutdown-through-labor-day/

WHoa, whoa, whoa.
Democrats though cast the dispute not as one that is about cost-cutting, but one that involves efforts by the GOP to overturn a National Mediation Board labor provision dealing with unionization efforts by airline workers.

"From day one, House GOP leaders admitted openly—almost proudly—that they were doing this to gain ‘leverage’ toward a larger goal—undermining worker rights," said Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV).

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pointed the finger of blame squarely at Delta Airlines, saying Delta is using this dispute to try to overturn the labor rule.

But, if you look at the short-term extension legislation approved by the House two weeks ago, there is no language dealing with the labor issue - just the airline ticket subsidy issue mentioned above.
http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/jamie-dupree/2011/aug/02/faa-shutdown-through-labor-day/

Can someone explain to me how the EAS subsidies could provide leverage on the union issue if the union issue wasn't in the proposed legislation? Seems like a good question for my senators.
 
The journalism on here isn't exceptional (understatement) but they attribute it to the GOP trying to eliminate subsidies on several rural airports that aren't self sufficient. I posted above the House Bill on union voting rights. One thing we seem to be sure of is each side bends the facts to meet its purposes.

Best,

Dave

While the public was focused on the potential government shutdown over the debt ceiling debate, Harry Reid quietly forced a partial shutdown of the FAA. For months, Reid has blocked a long-term extension of the FAA reauthorization, while forcing Congress to pass reckless short-term measures that lacked much-needed reform.
The last extension expired July 23, but Harry Reid has refused to consider the House-passed extension through September. The House bill cut a subsidy program to three rural airports, where the cost of subsidized flights was hopelessly uneconomical. One of those airports, White Pine County Airport in Ely, Nevada, enjoys a subsidy to the tune of $3,720 per passenger! [Read more about it here] Yet, Reid refused to relinquish his selfish pork, causing a partial shutdown of the FAA and the furloughing of 4,000 employees. Additionally, the shutdown has cost the government millions in lost revenue from taxes on airline tickets. So much for a balanced approach on revenue.

http://tinyurl.com/3fp52q9
 
This may have been posted already, but.
If the FAA is shut down and there is no authority to collect the airline ticket fee that supports the Aviation Fund, then what about the fuel tax that goes into the same fund?

Congress just went on vacation for 5 weeks with no FAA budget resolution.

I just heard back from AOPA. The FBO fuel sellers cannot collect the 4.4 cents per gallon aviation fuel tax. It depends on when they pay the tax or got their last shipment. If they pay the tax to the distributor when they get the shipment, they can collect from you at sale. If they pay the tax based on when sold or get a shipment since the 23rd, they did not pay the tax and cannot charge you the tax.
 
really. i moved to Kansas one month after President Obama was sworn in. I seem to recall flying to Iowa City the summer before that when work had started on that project.

Regardless there was plenty of airport improvement money being handed out under the Bush Administration, and probably the Clinton Administration, and I wouldn't be surprised much further back than that.

A previous thread on here seemed to indicate that you were quite happy with the taxiway improvements they made at Iowa City with airport improvement funds.

Yep, at one time I was quite enamored with the idea of enhancing the Iowa City Airport, and didn't much care where the funds came from. I was all about me, and my situation, and to heck with everyone else.

Then, I edumacated myself on the process, saw the waste and outright fraud, and had an epiphany of sorts. After that, the taxiway improvements morphed into re-doing Rwy 07/25 (half of which was completed during the Bush years), which (once Obama announced that he wanted to fund "shovel-ready" projects) morphed into re-doing Rwy 12/30, too.

Iowa City got an essentially new airport, without having to pay much of anything for it. This manifested itself with incredible waste and an enormous price tag, displaying much the same problem that we now face with health care.

When the end user has no influence on costs, because they are not paying for it, the results are completely predictable. You get an adequate job (if you're lucky) at a gold-plated price.

After this experience, I am no longer an advocate of using Federal funds for airport improvements. States and local municipalities should foot the bill 100%, if for no other reason than they will do a better job, and at a lower price.
 
After this experience, I am no longer an advocate of using Federal funds for airport improvements. States and local municipalities should foot the bill 100%, if for no other reason than they will do a better job, and at a lower price.

This approach will ensure 60% of all small airports close within 5 years.

In Pennsylvania many airports are owned by the county or municipality. Guess how many pilots and airplane owners are in local government?

The few that are fight a non-stop battle against ignorance and/or apathy. For many places Medevac services are the only ""benefit" to hosting an airport. The rest is rich-guy playground.
 
jay do you feel the same way about maintaining highways?
 
jay do you feel the same way about maintaining highways?

Highways should also be funded by states, rather than federal funds, except where the highway lays on federal land.

Really, almost everything should be borne by the states. That keeps the fine people of Idaho from paying for a brand new project in New York from which Idahoans will never benefit.
 
except when people in Idaho buy goods made in New York or when someone in New York wants to eat a potato
 
except when people in Idaho buy goods made in New York or when someone in New York wants to eat a potato

If I buy a potato, should I, personally, be concerned about how the potato was delivered, or should that cost be included in the price of the potato, so that the means of delivery is funded through the purchase?
 
States and local municipalities should foot the bill 100%, if for no other reason than they will do a better job, and at a lower price.
What makes you think that state and local governments are any less wasteful? In my observation they are even more susceptible to cronyism.
 
You know, I honestly think this shutdown is a good thing. For one thing, I'm tired of hearing about people being so in debt because they work at a "safe" government job that they can't handle a slow month (like those of us in the business world occasionally have). My dad's company took a company-wide 20% cut in pay for a while last year because things were so tight. Thankfully, because we'd worked to get out of debt we could deal with it.

Ryan
 
What makes you think that state and local governments are any less wasteful? In my observation they are even more susceptible to cronyism.

Perhaps true. But their actions won't have as large an impact. For example, if Californians waste their money, Texans won't suffer.
 
Perhaps true. But their actions won't have as large an impact. For example, if Californians waste their money, Texans won't suffer.
FTW! Exactly. The little airport I work at is completely privately funded and is doing fine.

Ryan
 
If I buy a potato, should I, personally, be concerned about how the potato was delivered, or should that cost be included in the price of the potato, so that the means of delivery is funded through the purchase?
You do pay transportation costs in that potato. If the potato was grown in southern Idaho (for example- I don't know where they are actually grown in Idaho), they would be be driven down I-80 to New York City at the other end. The transportation costs would be higher if I-80 didn't exist, and it wouldn't if the Feds didn't pay at least a portion of the cost. Nebraska has little need for I-80 running through it for its own needs. Those potatoes would take longer to trans-ship Nebraska (and other states) if they went on local roads with their lower speed limits.

Look at all the trucks driving down I-80- that's all trade that benefits all of us. Transportation costs would be much higher without those highways and you'd do without some items during some parts of the year, and not get others at all.

Government investment (infrastructure, NIH, NSF, DARPA, NASA) seems to give us good returns overall but government spending tends to give a negative return. The states don't have the resources or need to make these investments for themselves. The problem is one person's "investment" is another person's "spending". As an example, foreign aid is spending by some and considered an investment in peace or security by others.
 
So, like, exacty what parts of the FAA are shut down? Can I go for a joy ride in a big fast airplane like a Cessna 152 without worrying about a ramp check?

(Just asking, not doing)
 
I believe in user pays, you will in one way or the other anyway. The interstate highways are paid for by every one who buys gas, that should be changed drop the fed gas tax, and place toll booths on every inch of federally paid for road. set up a bar code on the vehicle, drive by a camera you get a bill.

ATC should be paid for by the users, If you want to play you pay.

I like the option of choice to elect what taxes to pay,

I see no reason for granny to pay for the interstate highway system that she may never use, or a piper J3 flyer to pay for a ATC they never use.
 
FTW! Exactly. The little airport I work at is completely privately funded and is doing fine.
I doubt that very many small airports can do that unless they have supporters with deep pockets or there isn't much to maintain on the airport.

I have spent the day sitting at many small airports and I have often wondered how they stay around based on the lack of traffic. This isn't a new phenomenon either. I have been noticing it for quite a few years.
 
Iowa City got an essentially new airport, without having to pay much of anything for it. This manifested itself with incredible waste and an enormous price tag, displaying much the same problem that we now face with health care.

When the end user has no influence on costs, because they are not paying for it, the results are completely predictable. You get an adequate job (if you're lucky) at a gold-plated price.

After this experience, I am no longer an advocate of using Federal funds for airport improvements. States and local municipalities should foot the bill 100%, if for no other reason than they will do a better job, and at a lower price.

While I do see the risks of the 'OPM' financing of airport improvements and will gleefully point out some of the white elephants this has produced, at the end of the day, the availability of federal and state dollars is what makes general aviation possible.

I see this right at my doorstep: I live in a County that has 146000 residents and no publicly owned airport. The one privately owned public use airport has a 3000x50ft cracked asphalt runway that is misaligned with the prevailing wind and no night-ops. Until last month, you were landing between rows of tall trees within the obstacle protection plane. In two years, through the miracle of federal money, they will have a 4300x75ft concrete runway/taxiway complex aligned with the prevailing wind, PAPIs, GPS approaches and ownership of the 200odd acres of part77 runway protection area. Sure, it would be cheaper just to run the paving machine up and down the old runway once which is all the owner could have afforded, but honestly I am looking forward to the 'gold plated' solution the ticket taxes are buying us.
 
So, like, exacty what parts of the FAA are shut down? Can I go for a joy ride in a big fast airplane like a Cessna 152 without worrying about a ramp check?

(Just asking, not doing)

I wouldn't bank on it as many of the inspectors are continuing their work as if nothing happened. They know that at the end of the political theater, they will receive back-pay and their travel expenses, so rather than missing out on a month of income, they just continue their work.
 
I wouldn't bank on it as many of the inspectors are continuing their work as if nothing happened. They know that at the end of the political theater, they will receive back-pay and their travel expenses, so rather than missing out on a month of income, they just continue their work.

Furloughed employees are continuing to work? Must be new people, those that have experienced previous shutdowns know they'll be paid for those missed days anyway.
 
ONLY Government employees (GS types).

Contractors, not so much.


and the Wage grades (WG) also.. I (WG 10-5) suffered thru 2 of these shut downs

both were no budget shut downs
 
I doubt that very many small airports can do that unless they have supporters with deep pockets or there isn't much to maintain on the airport.

I have spent the day sitting at many small airports and I have often wondered how they stay around based on the lack of traffic. This isn't a new phenomenon either. I have been noticing it for quite a few years.
If they are underutilized, one could inquire if there is a need for that particular airfield.
 
So, like, exacty what parts of the FAA are shut down? Can I go for a joy ride in a big fast airplane like a Cessna 152 without worrying about a ramp check?

(Just asking, not doing)

You will still not be allowed to take a joy ride in a big fast Cessna 152. Your double in an alternate reality where Cessna 152s are big and fast, however, will have that luxury. Of course in that alternate reality all the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average. No ramp checks, either.
 
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