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I am currently using Windows Outlook as my email software.

I am looking for something better.

Any suggestions?
 
All depends on what you want done better. What does yours not do that you want done?
 
Scott@KTYR said:
I am currently using Windows Outlook as my email software.

I am looking for something better.

Any suggestions?
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Better for what purpose? Just email? From what source? (i.e. which server access method?)

If you are using Exchange as your email server and running in a windows OS, I don't think there's anything better than Outlook. If you're accessing via IMAP (hopefully!) or POP3, there's a host of options. But again, for what purpose? Apple email client works pretty well and has email thread features as well as integrating with the iCal app.

There are a host of others which I haven't kept up with. If you give us some idea of what you're doing, there are several folks on here who could share relevant experience.

John
 
Thunderbird is free. I have been using it for awhile with only minor issues.
I upgraded to outlook 2013 yesterday and that lasted about 2 hours. It is terrible.

Check out thunderbird.
 
jsstevens said:
Better for what purpose? Just email? From what source? (i.e. which server access method?)

If you are using Exchange as your email server and running in a windows OS, I don't think there's anything better than Outlook. If you're accessing via IMAP (hopefully!) or POP3, there's a host of options. But again, for what purpose? Apple email client works pretty well and has email thread features as well as integrating with the iCal app.

There are a host of others which I haven't kept up with. If you give us some idea of what you're doing, there are several folks on here who could share relevant experience.

John
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Long story but I will shorten it here.
Our Old Company that provides us with email (POP3) is having problems so I have switch to a New company for email service (IMAP).

In Outlook I deleted the old POP3 account and added a new IMAP account in Outlook. For some reason the new account gets put into a folder not associated with Outlooks “Personal Folder”. I am not sure Associated is the correct word but the “INBOX” under the Personal Folder is not where the New account email come in. They come in under a different name folder. The reason this is important is I can only delete INBOX messages on the new company’s server if the messages are under the Personal Folder INBOX. When I delete the new INBOX messages they are not removed from the New companies Server.

Sorry for all the details but I have been unable to put the New email company INBOX under the OUTLOOK Personal Folder.
 
Scott@KTYR said:
Long story but I will shorten it here.
Our Old Company that provides us with email (POP3) is having problems so I have switch to a New company for email service (IMAP).

In Outlook I deleted the old POP3 account and added a new IMAP account in Outlook. For some reason the new account gets put into a folder not associated with Outlooks “Personal Folder”. I am not sure Associated is the correct word but the “INBOX” under the Personal Folder is not where the New account email come in. They come in under a different name folder. The reason this is important is I can only delete INBOX messages on the new company’s server if the messages are under the Personal Folder INBOX. When I delete the new INBOX messages they are not removed from the New companies Server.

Sorry for all the details but I have been unable to put the New email company INBOX under the OUTLOOK Personal Folder.
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Well, you should be able to do that in Outlook, but if all you're doing is IMAP email Thunderbird is a popular choice. Did you delete you old account(s) in Outlook first and then set up the new one?

John
 
jsstevens said:
Well, you should be able to do that in Outlook, but if all you're doing is IMAP email Thunderbird is a popular choice. Did you delete you old account(s) in Outlook first and then set up the new one?

John
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I do not remember.

I will try it again and to delete all and start over.
 
If you have IMAP access on your mail server, you have a whole world of options. My mail goes to an independent and quite exceptional mail company (tuffmail). I tend to use either their webmail (they offer several) or whatever email software is handy which includes all of:

1. the mail app on OSX (primarily)
2. the mail app on my iPhone/iPad
3. Outlook on my windows machines.
 
jsstevens said:
Well, you should be able to do that in Outlook, but if all you're doing is IMAP email Thunderbird is a popular choice. Did you delete you old account(s) in Outlook first and then set up the new one?

John
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No it did not work.
I deleted all accounts and shout down Outlook.
When I started it up again and added a new account it set up a different folder outside the Personal Folder of outlook.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
Thunderbird is free. I have been using it for awhile with only minor issues.
I upgraded to outlook 2013 yesterday and that lasted about 2 hours. It is terrible.

Check out thunderbird.
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I have seen Thunderbird listed somewhere before. I do not know anything about it. I guess if you are using it then you trust it to keep you emails safe and away from Hackers. Any Setup Tweaks I need to know about?
 
Scott@KTYR said:
I have seen Thunderbird listed somewhere before. I do not know anything about it. I guess if you are using it then you trust it to keep you emails safe and away from Hackers. Any Setup Tweaks I need to know about?
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Mozilla makes it so it is as trustworthy as firefox and it is free.
The spam rules are a little different than outlook to setup but not a big deal.

I have 5 email accounts setup up through it.

I like that emails open in new tabs like in firefox so yo can open one and come back to it later without having to have a new window open.


Download here: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/


UI:

Mozilla_Thunderbird_11_Italiano_-_Win_7.png
 
Scott@KTYR said:
Long story but I will shorten it here.
Our Old Company that provides us with email (POP3) is having problems so I have switch to a New company for email service (IMAP).

In Outlook I deleted the old POP3 account and added a new IMAP account in Outlook. For some reason the new account gets put into a folder not associated with Outlooks “Personal Folder”. I am not sure Associated is the correct word but the “INBOX” under the Personal Folder is not where the New account email come in. They come in under a different name folder. The reason this is important is I can only delete INBOX messages on the new company’s server if the messages are under the Personal Folder INBOX. When I delete the new INBOX messages they are not removed from the New companies Server.

Sorry for all the details but I have been unable to put the New email company INBOX under the OUTLOOK Personal Folder.
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Scott@KTYR said:
Long story but I will shorten it here.
Our Old Company that provides us with email (POP3) is having problems so I have switch to a New company for email service (IMAP).

In Outlook I deleted the old POP3 account and added a new IMAP account in Outlook. For some reason the new account gets put into a folder not associated with Outlooks “Personal Folder”. I am not sure Associated is the correct word but the “INBOX” under the Personal Folder is not where the New account email come in. They come in under a different name folder. The reason this is important is I can only delete INBOX messages on the new company’s server if the messages are under the Personal Folder INBOX. When I delete the new INBOX messages they are not removed from the New companies Server.

Sorry for all the details but I have been unable to put the New email company INBOX under the OUTLOOK Personal Folder.
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Scott@KTYR said:
No it did not work.
I deleted all accounts and shout down Outlook.
When I started it up again and added a new account it set up a different folder outside the Personal Folder of outlook.
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There is a subtal but crucial difference between IMAP and POP-3. Outlook will not `connect` an IMAP server to your 'personal folders'. I don't think Thunderbird will either.

Short story:
POP-3 stores and works with your email locally on your computer, e.g. in your personal folders.
IMAP stores and works with your email on the server so it is always available no matter where you log into your email from.

Long story :
POP-3: your email is stored on your computer in your 'personal folders' you only connect to the server to send or receive emails. If you create folders for sorting your email, it is all saved locally on your computer. POP-3 has the advantage of being a simpler set up. Disadvantage is that if you move email out of your inbox to another folder you can only read the email on the computer in which you saved it.

IMAP: your email is stored on the server, you edit, file, and sort your email online using your email client. Depending on your settings, temporary copies of your email may be saved on your computer for reading off line, you can also compose emails offline, however next time you connect they will be copied to the server before sending. If you create folders for sorting your emails, the folders and the emails in them are saved on the server. Disadvantages are the set up can be more complex. Advantages are that all your email, even the ones sorted into other folders can be read on any computer connected to the Internet and most likely using a Web mail interface. However if you manually move your email into a personal folder then the email can only be read on the computer the personal folder is on.

Hope this helps, the way Outlook is handling your email from an IMAP server is buy design. The intent of the IMAP server is to not store your email locally on your computer.
 
jrollf said:
There is a subtal but crucial difference between IMAP and POP-3. Outlook will not `connect` an IMAP server to your 'personal folders'. I don't think Thunderbird will either.

Short story:
POP-3 stores and works with your email locally on your computer, e.g. in your personal folders.
IMAP stores and works with your email on the server so it is always available no matter where you log into your email from.

Long story :
POP-3: your email is stored on your computer in your 'personal folders' you only connect to the server to send or receive emails. If you create folders for sorting your email, it is all saved locally on your computer. POP-3 has the advantage of being a simpler set up. Disadvantage is that if you move email out of your inbox to another folder you can only read the email on the computer in which you saved it.

IMAP: your email is stored on the server, you edit, file, and sort your email online using your email client. Depending on your settings, temporary copies of your email may be saved on your computer for reading off line, you can also compose emails offline, however next time you connect they will be copied to the server before sending. If you create folders for sorting your emails, the folders and the emails in them are saved on the server. Disadvantages are the set up can be more complex. Advantages are that all your email, even the ones sorted into other folders can be read on any computer connected to the Internet and most likely using a Web mail interface. However if you manually move your email into a personal folder then the email can only be read on the computer the personal folder is on.

Hope this helps, the way Outlook is handling your email from an IMAP server is buy design. The intent of the IMAP server is to not store your email locally on your computer.
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Every IMAP client for at least a decade has supported downloading s local copy of the mail store and operating in offline mode. Maybe two decades. The above info is an outdated way to describe IMAP.
 
denverpilot said:
Every IMAP client for at least a decade has supported downloading s local copy of the mail store and operating in offline mode. Maybe two decades. The above info is an outdated way to describe IMAP.
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You are correct, that's what I meant buy 'depending on your settings your email client can download temporary copies onto your computer for reading offline'

For Outlook at least, it will keep 'local' copies for off line reading but buy default the actual inbox, sent box, deleted items, and any folders you create for sorting are stored and managed on the IMAP server by Outlook with local copies cached on your computer, think of the IMAP server as being kind of like an external hard drive. This is why the 'Inbox' in Outlook for an IMAP server does not go to the 'Inbox' of your personal folders as the OP was expecting. The offline caching of all the folders can give the impression that your email is being handled locally. Every time you connect to the Internet the IMAP server is updated with any changes you made while off line,

With POP-3 you download your email from your inbox and then manage everything offline on your computer, if you move anything out of the inbox then other computers/devices can no longer access the email.

IMHO, if you have an IMAP server and you are forcing your computer to download all your email and maintaining the folder structure locally like a POP-3 account you are probably spending more money than you need to. Many email providers charge more for IMAP service than POP-3 as IMAP services generally requires more storage space on their servers than POP-3 does. You also lose the advantage of logging in any where from any device to see all your email.

All this was my long winded explanation on why by default the OP can't get the Inbox for his IMAP server to move to the Inbox of their personal folders like a POP-3 account. Your 'personal folders' are completely off line/stored locally, defeating the intent of the IMAP service.

Just my 2 cents ;)
 
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When I switched to Windows 7 last April, I had to find a replacement for Outlook Express. I ended up with Thunderbird, and so far, it seems fine.
 
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