Electromagnetic Drive

cgrab said:
I remember working at Lewis (now Glenn) Research Center in Cleveland where they developed the electromagnetic mercury ion thruster for several spacecraft. I recall one of the engineers saying the output was measured in "mouse farts." Not a very high thrust level.
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Did you know Chris Teodecki? He was at Lewis for many years and was involved in the telemetry systems on some of those spacecraft.
 
Henning said:
You didn't understand a thing I wrote, you didn't even think it over, that is what makes you closed minded. You performed no mental test, that is the reason you didn't realize that your points were already reasonably covered, that's closed minded. You didn't question, you refuted, that makes you closed minded. Believing you understand the nature of creation, the universe, and the multiverse, with the theories currently in play, without the ability to explain it in a manner that doesn't require vast issues of fundamental structure to just be accepted as 'we don't know why that is, but it is, just ignore these "funny little things like quantum entanglements, singularities, and gravity, you don't need to go there."', that's beyond closed minded, that's religious.

Read what I wrote with an open mind and think on it for a while, apply the results of the last centuries experiments in relative and quantum physics and then consider for just a moment that everything in creation springs from intelligence. Contemplate for a bit how nature is an over parity machine with the universe in constant expansion for no known reason. Find that starting point, then we can talk.
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Henning, when your very first thought it totally and completely wrong, the ones that follow from it cannot possibly have any value. Anyone with any background in particle physics can immediately determine you haven't researched your topic and have nothing useful to say about it.

If I told you airplanes fly by dilithium crystals, would you take the subsequent essay on airplane systems seriously? That's where you are.

You have not "covered" my points. You're operating at right angles to reality. You seem to have confused elementary particle physics with some kind of religion. And based it on clearly wrong premises such as "eternal" particles that don't exist.
 
JOhnH said:
I'll wait for the cliff notes.
Or for the POA experts to dissect that.
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I am pretty excited about the peer reviewed results. Not very useful now operationally but imagine what it could lead to.

Crazy to think about the first flight in a balloon to now being under 250 years ago. And the first powered flight to now less than half that.

It is also crazy to look back at how insane Henning's ramblings were. Wow.
 
steingar said:
I'd like to see it published in a peer-reviewed journal and repeated. I'm having flashbacks to Cold Fusion.
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Yes, the joke was the difference between physicists and chemists:

Physicists think they haven't developed cold fusion and surround the experiment in lead bricks.
Chemists think they have developed cold fusion and surround the experiment in styrofoam.

I was an administrator at Rutgers when that hit the media. It was one of the earliest times I think the Internet really got used for wide scale scientific collaboration (other than network design itself). We had guys in our physics and chemistry departments collaborating with their counterparts all over the world trying to reproduce the early findings.
 
It's pretty weak in more ways than one. MicroNewtons per watt is as mentioned orders of magnitude less than mouse farts even.
Also, if you read the data, you'll find that it's quite possible that all the measurements they are deriving data from are actually just error.
 
Shepherd said:
You can build a gadget in your basement. The plans are available on line.
essentially you have 2 wires running parallel to each other, one above the other, around the outside a very light frame (balsa works) You end up with something that looks like a mini farm enclosure. Now put a high DC voltage on the top and the opposite voltage on the bottom wire. It will float up off the table and hover.
The technology has been known since the 1920's.

I used to take one of these with me whenever a I did a "Visiting Scientist" talk at the local elementary and middle schools. It was always a hit with the kids.
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This had better be in your book
 
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