Crash speculation and a plane down at ADS

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I am guilty of it. I think we all are but man I watched it spin out of control yesterday.

There was a terrible incident yesterday. As I understand it, it was a discovery flight beginning with a departure stall. yuck.

It got posted on facebook. I think by the 3rd or 4th comment, they were stating there were 3 fatalities.

A hundred some odd posts later, all 3 survived with injuries..

Sad all around and the fact that it was a discovery flight makes it seem to me so much worse but the fact they they survived is pretty incredible.

https://www.wfaa.com/amp/article?se...airport-officials-say&contentId=287-585457449

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I do guite a few Discovery flights and don't do maneuvers that could cause potential students fear and anxiety. Sad unnecessary accident.
 
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For those of you outside the MetroMess (Dallas - Ft Worth area) WFAA is the local ABC affiliate and has no association with The FAA.
 
Not to add to any speculation, but for the life of me, I just can’t imagine how anyone could get themselves into an unintentional departure stall. Unless they were just overweight, I find it hard to fathom anyone, especially a CFI could get into that unfortunate circumstance.
 
When I wrote "it was a discovery flight beginning with a departure stall.", I didn't mean to insinuate that the departure stall was part of the discovery flight.
I mean it was a part of it but not intentional. Sounded different before I typed it and re read it.
 
Ryanb said:
Not to add to any speculation, but for the life of me, I just can’t imagine how anyone could get themselves into an unintentional departure stall. Unless they were just overweight, I find it hard to fathom anyone, especially a CFI could get into that unfortunate circumstance.
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Depends on how the CFI learned to fly

Even over weight a overrun is one thing, but I don’t see how you’d spin it with a solid foundation.
 
Thankfully all are alive and hopefully will survive. We can but don’t need to speculate as it’s likely the three occupants will have a story to tell. Maybe we’ll learn something useful or reinforcement of things we already knew.
 
Ryanb said:
Not to add to any speculation, but for the life of me, I just can’t imagine how anyone could get themselves into an unintentional departure stall. Unless they were just overweight, I find it hard to fathom anyone, especially a CFI could get into that unfortunate circumstance.
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Weight / CG + Density Altitude + Wind Shear / Wake Turb.
 
Wow - sorry to read (and sorry you had to witness it, Bryan.)

There was a Sportcruiser that was doing a discovery flight that also crashed on take off. It is believed to have been due to vapor lock due to use of MOGAS and heat from the day. It will be interesting to read what the cause of this accident was. Whatever the case, glad all souls aboard survived.
 
I was in the pattern at McKinney just a few hours prior to the accident. We had very similar tail numbers. Weird that just a couple hours later it was a pile of junk.
 
rtk11 said:
Wow - sorry to read (and sorry you had to witness it, Bryan.)

There was a Sportcruiser that was doing a discovery flight that also crashed on take off. It is believed to have been due to vapor lock due to use of MOGAS and heat from the day. It will be interesting to read what the cause of this accident was. Whatever the case, glad all souls aboard survived.
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To clarify. I watch to be threaded speculation spin out of control. I did not see this accident.

Regarding the sport Cruiser accident you referenced, there's actually a video of that one going in. It went in hard and fast and I cannot believe they survived that one. There are some lucky people alive today
 
Letting the passenger rotate??? Pure speculation. But it’s what PoA does best!!! Can’t wait around for a year, but with survivors I’m sure they’ll know what happened real fast.
 
I think the statute of limitations on speculation has already expired considering no fatalities. Speculate away!
 
benyflyguy said:
Letting the passenger rotate??? Pure speculation.
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Not a bad one. That was my first guess as well since discovery flights are about letting the pax fly the plane. So my mind immediately wandered (and wondered) into that direction as well.
And I know a few non-pilots who think "rotate" means "pull that yoke thingy all the way into your lap and hold it there no matter how much I scream 'my airplane'."
If that's what truly happened, CFIs need to realize that discovery flights need pre-flight briefing on how to control the airplane too.
But again, for clarification: pure speculation.

Glad they all survived, the wreck looks unsurvivable. Yikes.
 
eman1200 said:
Soooo, think they’ll be scheduling their first lesson?


What, everyone is fine, it’s not too soon!
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Well, everyone is alive, at least at the moment. If they are fine, I'd be quite surprised.
 
BigBadLou said:
And I know a few non-pilots who think "rotate" means "pull that yoke thingy all the way into your lap and hold it there no matter how much I scream 'my airplane'."
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It happens.
 
FlySince9 said:
Most likely not the case, but I know personally of 2 that were caused by faulty seat latches in Skyhawks.
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Yep; if that happened, how many of us would let go of the yoke (which is the best way to recover)?
 
Kenny Phillips said:
Yep; if that happened, how many of us would let go of the yoke (which is the best way to recover)?
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I had my seat slip once... you don't think, you just pull... I was lucky that my dad was next to me and he grabbed the yoke from me. I couldn't even get pulled back into position until we were level... It's near impossible to get the seat pulled back up while you're in a climb!

Mind you..this was before the AD on those rails
 
mscard88 said:
I do guite a few Discovery flights and don't do maneuvers that could cause potential students fear and anxiety. Sad unnecessary accident.
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The CFI on my discovery flight let me take off, I wonder if something similar happened? Or maybe the passenger panicked and pulled on the yoke?

Crap, I'm speculating, sorry...
 
labbadabba said:
The CFI on my discovery flight let me take off, I wonder if something similar happened? Or maybe the passenger panicked and pulled on the yoke?


Crap, I'm speculating, sorry...
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Yeah, could be, along with other guesses. I let them rotate on Discovery flights, but I'm very careful too about how much they pull back. Usually tell to pull back 3-4" and just let it fly off the runway. Always ready with my mallet if they pull too far and won't let go. Had the experience once, and that was enough.
 
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