COVID-WTF Thread

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denverpilot said:
ROFL! Yup.

Other nursely wisdom was after my wife saw the photo claiming to be someone in a hospital, alert, but intubated (no, they yank it out) holding a sign that said “someone please think about the economy”.

Wife looks at that and says, “They wouldn’t leave the damn tube down her throat if she woke up, and protocol says you get the intubated patient flat, lying on their left side with their heart down and legs elevated slightly, if at all possible.”

Of course the girl also looks super healthy with lovely skin tone and quite alert and emotional, for someone who just woke up after days of dangerously low O2 levels too, which we both remarked... maybe... to. But I’d have to go back and see if they remembered to remove all of her makeup before the glamour shot. LOL! Was days ago we made fun of it here at home.

So many fake photos and total crocks of crap floating around at this point and nobody who actually knows things has time to refute it all.

LOL. Cluster... efffff.
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Can't pull the wool over your wife's eyes when it comes to this stuff, LOL:D

On another note..
My former coworker (I mentioned him a few weeks ago) came off of the ventilator and is home now! I checked on him yesterday and he said he's glad to be home. He told me that he thought he was a goner.
 
redtail said:
Can't pull the wool over your wife's eyes when it comes to this stuff, LOL:D

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My former coworker (I mentioned him a few weeks ago) came off of the ventilator and is home now! I checked on him yesterday and he said he's glad to be home. He told me that he thought he was a goner.
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This is another example of information bias - there are more than 700 000 hospitalizations involving mechanical ventilation every year across the country, the difference is that nobody deems that news worthy beside trade organizations that are actually involved in the process ( like this one https://www.aast.org/GeneralInformation/mechanicalventilation.aspx).
 
Warmi said:
This is another example of information bias - there are more than 700 000 hospitalizations involving mechanical ventilation every year across the country, the difference is that nobody deems that news worthy beside trade organizations that are actually involved in the process ( like this one https://www.aast.org/GeneralInformation/mechanicalventilation.aspx).
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Interesting article, I'm just not sure what your point is and how it relates to this "Global pandemic".

and..Yes I know the difference between epidemic and pandemic. I added "global" for effect;)
 
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redtail said:
Interesting article, I'm just not sure what your point is and how it relates to this "Global pandemic".

and..Yes I know the difference between epidemic and pandemic. I added "global" for effect;)
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Not the article. - just stats about ventilator usage during “regular” non-pandemic years.
 
Warmi said:
Not the article. - just stats about ventilator usage during “regular” non-pandemic years.
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Ok, but I thought the "news worthy" item was the pandemic itself and all of the unknowns about this virus, how easily it spreads and the high death toll (globally) as a result of Covid-19.
Not necessarily the ventilator usage stats.

If I'm reading you correctly, it appears that your post was an attempt to minimize the seriousness of what's going on and it's "news worthiness", compared with anything most of us have ever seen in our lifetime.

Note: I wasn't around in 1918, I'm a GenX born in 1965;)

Frank (coworker) was born in 67
 
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Warmi said:
Not the article. - just stats about ventilator usage during “regular” non-pandemic years.
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Well, if you want stats: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3840149/
Dig through and you will find that average ICU stay is 2 days on mechanical vents. Note: this study is considered incomplete and has limitations.
While with COVID-19; mean stay is hovering around 14 days last I checked.

Note: I am not a statistician, or in the medical field. I am just a news junkie. So please verify!

Tim
 
Not sure if ventilator use during surgery was counted in that study, but I think it is pretty common when general anesthesia administered. I know I've been vented twice. The first time when I was a teen. They didn't take it out before I woke up so it was pretty uncomfortable. When I had another surgery later in life, I remembered this and mentioned it to the anesthesiologist. He assured me it would be out before I woke up, and it was. Probably many people have been on a ventilator but never knew it. Guessing that's why they canceled many elective surgeries during this time.
 
JOhnH said:
My stimulus check is going entirely to people that deserve it. That means people that work hard but don't make much money for their labors.
We are ordering more take-out and giving the lonely employees huge tips.
I gave my lawn guy $100 this morning because I know he has lost a couple of jobs and his wife was laid off.


Still spending on that, but I don't consider that stimulus money. I would have spent that any way. My money is going to people that need it. The cool part, is that I decide who that is instead of the government.
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same here.
 
redtail said:
Ok, but I thought the "news worthy" item was the pandemic itself and all of the unknowns about this virus, how easily it spreads and the high death toll (globally) as a result of Covid-19.
Not necessarily the ventilator usage stats.

If I'm reading you correctly, it appears that your post was an attempt to minimize the seriousness of what's going on and it's "news worthiness", compared with anything most of us have ever seen in our lifetime.

Note: I wasn't around in 1918, I'm a GenX born in 1965;)

Frank (coworker) was born in 67
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Yes, that was the point.
 
Everskyward said:
Not sure if ventilator use during surgery was counted in that study, but I think it is pretty common when general anesthesia administered. I know I've been vented twice. The first time when I was a teen. They didn't take it out before I woke up so it was pretty uncomfortable. When I had another surgery later in life, I remembered this and mentioned it to the anesthesiologist. He assured me it would be out before I woke up, and it was. Probably many people have been on a ventilator but never knew it. Guessing that's why they canceled many elective surgeries during this time.
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As far as forced canceling of all elective surgeries , that’s another heavy handed mandate that would have been better handled by guidelines to be implemented depending on local conditions rather than state wide orders. A lot of hospitals are laying off thousands of workers because of forced mandates to postpone everything not related to emergencies even though a most of them are not overwhelmed in any way and are basically half empty.
 
Warmi said:
As far as forced canceling of all elective surgeries , that’s another heavy handed mandate that would have been better handled by guidelines to be implemented depending on local conditions rather than state wide orders. A lot of hospitals are laying off thousands of workers because of forced mandates to postpone everything not related to emergencies even though a most of them are not overwhelmed in any way and are basically half empty.
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I don't know if they were statewide orders, local orders, or the hospitals themselves being prepared. I know a lot of orders around here are local. Things are not the same county to county regarding a number of things.

As far as your ventilator statistics go, I think you are using studies out of context in order to support your position regarding the shutdown.
 
Warmi said:
As far as forced canceling of all elective surgeries , that’s another heavy handed mandate that would have been better handled by guidelines to be implemented depending on local conditions rather than state wide orders. A lot of hospitals are laying off thousands of workers because of forced mandates to postpone everything not related to emergencies even though a most of them are not overwhelmed in any way and are basically half empty.
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Around here that wasn’t a government mandate AFAIK. Karen’s hospital company (second largest by revenue in the U.S.) did that as a staff precaution leading up to not knowing how hammered they would get.

They’ve resumed or will shortly with new procedures in places that they can afford to and aren’t headed for overload.

They also did a nice seeming thing that was really strategic. They told staff here weeks ago if their unit was shut down they would receive 70% pay for the duration which seems awfully generous at first look. However if you really think about it, it was to avoid mass layoffs. Once that large group of healthcare workers gets their unemployment set up and is gone, a whole lot of them would think long and hard about returning to pick up mandatory shifts in a Covid ward as this thing drags out for a year worth of slow deaths at 1% of the total population. Better to gave some good will in their memory banks.
 
Warmi said:
As far as forced canceling of all elective surgeries , that’s another heavy handed mandate that would have been better handled by guidelines to be implemented depending on local conditions rather than state wide orders. A lot of hospitals are laying off thousands of workers because of forced mandates to postpone everything not related to emergencies even though a most of them are not overwhelmed in any way and are basically half empty.
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Actually, most of the mandates about ending elective surgeries before the COVID-19 cases started to show up locally was to conserve PPE. This along with testing to know where the problem is, was a largely dropped ball.
Now, PPE production has ramped up, and should hopefully be resolved by the end of May based on what I have read.

Tim
 
Warmi said:
As far as forced canceling of all elective surgeries , that’s another heavy handed mandate that would have been better handled by guidelines to be implemented depending on local conditions rather than state wide orders. A lot of hospitals are laying off thousands of workers because of forced mandates to postpone everything not related to emergencies even though a most of them are not overwhelmed in any way and are basically half empty.
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Things can change quickly. Friday we had 31 cases in our county, Sunday we were up to 59. Covid has gotten into a local nursing home and our hospitals Covid unit went from 'a few patients' to 'pretty busy' in 3 days. Plenty of vents on hand, and many of them will be put to work in the coming days. This is a hospital that shut down elective cases when we didn't have a single confirmed case in our service area.

And elective surgeries are just that, elective. They'll get done when the situation allows it. I manage my wifes surgical practice and we tried to do some pre-planning last night. We are trying to figure out where to put the 60+ surgeries and all the presurgical consults that have piled up since the shutdown of elective procedures. I anticipate that the techs, nurses and anesthesia staff who have lost much of their income right now wont mind some overtime come may/june to help to get their finances straightened out. It may involve doing saturday or sunday cases, who knows.

Shutting down elective procedures was the correct thing to do.
 
weilke said:
Things can change quickly. Friday we had 31 cases in our county, Sunday we were up to 59. Covid has gotten into a local nursing home and our hospitals Covid unit went from 'a few patients' to 'pretty busy' in 3 days. Plenty of vents on hand, and many of them will be put to work in the coming days. This is a hospital that shut down elective cases when we didn't have a single confirmed case in our service area.

And elective surgeries are just that, elective. They'll get done when the situation allows it. I manage my wifes surgical practice and we tried to do some pre-planning last night. We are trying to figure out where to put the 60+ surgeries and all the presurgical consults that have piled up since the shutdown of elective procedures. I anticipate that the techs, nurses and anesthesia staff who have lost much of their income right now wont mind some overtime come may/june to help to get their finances straightened out. It may involve doing saturday or sunday cases, who knows.

Shutting down elective procedures was the correct thing to do.
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This is certainly a Pay me now, or pay me later scenario. But unfortunately, it's also a scenario where a small number of people can undo all of my hermitization.
 
deonb said:
Technically the truth. Nobody who gets injected with disinfectant will die of COVID-19.
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But it still might be classified as a COVID-19 death for statistical purposes.
 
bflynn said:
No, he did not. If you think he did, you should take a step back and go listen to what was actually said. Parse the words.
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LOL. I thought this response was funnier.

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bflynn said:
No, he did not. If you think he did, you should take a step back and go listen to what was actually said. Parse the words.
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You are too kind.

If anyone thinks he said you should inject disinfectants, they are idiots that believe anything other idiots tell them. This kind of stuff makes me sick.
 
I started doing this during Obama's presidency but it seems to be just as necessary under Trump. Any time I see a story claiming someone said something so outrageous it's almost unbelievable I go hunt down the actual video of what was said. Every single time when I can see the actual video and get the context, tone of voice, etc it's clear that the dust up is something manufactured out of nothing. I guess it gets clicks, but they've greatly eroded public trust in their reporting as a result.
 
I've watched it. I read the transcript. I think that the only way to interpret it this way is through ignorance or malice.

"Injection" obviously means vaccines or other medicine, it doesn't take but a little bit of thinking to know that. If you're predisposed to want to misunderstand, then you're going to immediately jump to things that are absolutely ridiculous, like this is.
 
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