Concealed Carry

jesse said:
Not all of them. Walmart started pulling guns out of some of their stores. The local Walmart here no longer has them.
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The same is true here. I saw only a few shotguns at a Walmart in Picayune, MS back at Christmas. The kids are turning PC.

Somehow, I'm sure old Sam would not have approved. :no:
 
Bill Jennings said:
What does hubby think of your baby? The grips are really short on those, and I'd wonder if a big handed person would like those short grips.
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I have relatively large hands....or maybe that's long fingers.:rolleyes: I bought the 23 because the 27 didn't fit in my hand right. A few months later, I was back in the gunshop. They showed me a 27 with the extension on the magazine, and it fit great! Works for the hubby too.
 
Dwight B. Van Zanen said:
As for the concealed part of the CCW, what are the options?
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Here in Nebraska we've long had open carry. I can strap on a pistol and
go about anywhere I want if it's in the open with no CCW. I'm wondering if they'll change it. As it stands now .. according to the new CC law you
can't carry concealed in a financial institution. But if I just take off my
jacket and have it open on my belt that's not illegal.
 
Have you looked at HK? I've got an HK USP Compact 9mm. I like it.




Bill Jennings said:
Frank, how do you like your Pro-Carry? Looks nice. I think it is time for me to take the class and get my CC, but my Glock 21 is too big a horse to carry around.

I like the Pro-Carry, but I also like the safety system on the Glock, no BS ready to go.

So, I'm thinking either Pro-Carry, or Glock 23 .40 :dunno:
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Frank Browne said:
Not sure what you're asking but, I carry my Kimber in an "inside the pants" holster. A T-shirt, sweater, jacket, etc., over it and it's completely concealed.
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When you really want to be really concealed try this. http://smartcarry.com/
I've carried everything from my Sig P232 to a full sized 1911 (easy to walk in, but needed care to sit). :rofl:
Ordinarily I carry the 1911 in a Milt Sparks VM2.
 
Frank Browne said:
Great site Mark, thanks! Is this what you carry with? How do you like it?
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When I want deep concealment I use the Smartcarry (usually with the Sig 232, but the larger holster holds the 1911). Otherwise I use a Milt Sparks VM2 IWB holster. The VM2 is also the holster I use in IDPA competitions.
 
NC Pilot said:
When I want deep concealment I use the Smartcarry (usually with the Sig 232, but the larger holster holds the 1911). Otherwise I use a Milt Sparks VM2 IWB holster. The VM2 is also the holster I use in IDPA competitions.
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The VM2 is a great holster. I carry an HK P7M8 in mine when I want a slim profile, espeically in warmer weather.
 
markb5900 said:
This discussion was going on over on the "red board" for quite awhile.
I have a carry permit, so I am not "anti gun".
It CAN get you a felony conviction REAL quick if you conceal and carry into another state. Just taking a weapon into another state usually won't amount to anything, it is the CONCEAL part that gets you in trouble though. Please check the laws CLOSELY before you decide to do it. It only takes one person seeing your weapon in your coat etc.. to call the police and you are in jail, if you don't get shot first.
As far as the shooting described in other posts. Would it have made a difference, really NO ONE knows. There is HUGE difference between having a weapon and looking into the eyes of someone else and pulling the trigger.
As an old movie line stated "being willing" is the key.

Mark B.
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Amen! A carry permit does neither you or anyone else any good if you are iced by the person that you are supposedly protecting yourself from. The Luby's Cafeteria example being an interesting possibility. Of course, we will never know since the handguns were in the glove boxes. I had the opportunity to attend a CCW training course a couple of years ago and was not impressed (YMMV.) They should be training as much for combat shooting and decision making as they are for hitting what you are aiming at.

Sometimes leaving the $#%&* thing holstered and out of view in a bad situation is the best policy.
 
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Remind me not to **** anyone off at a fly-in. I never realized we had so many pilots walking around with guns down their pants. I have yet to ever feel the REAL risk to me is high enough to outweigh the dangers and hassle of carrying a gun. I'd much rather get punched in the face and kicked once or twice then put a bullet through someones head and have to deal with the associated consequences. But that's just me.
 
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alaskaflyer said:
Amen! A carry permit does neither you or anyone else any good if you are iced by the person that you are supposedly protecting yourself from. The Luby's Cafeteria example being an interesting possibility. Of course, we will never know since the handguns were in the glove boxes. I had the opportunity to attend a CCW training course a couple of years ago and was not impressed (YMMV.) They should be training as much for combat shooting and decision making as they are for hitting what you are aiming at.

Sometimes leaving the $#%&* thing holstered and out of view in a bad situation is the best policy.
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I've taken two advanced CCW courses which focused on decision making more than anything else. There was combat shooting, but it was all geared towards where and when. They also stressed that retreating from a situation is usually the best tactic, unless you or your faminly, SO, friends, etc are in imminent danger. Avoiding bad areas, bad people, etc is the best strategy.

Regarding CCW out of state. You can get reciprocity info from http://www.packing.org and another site which is better, but I can't remember the name. Mark?
 
Anthony said:
I've taken two advanced CCW courses which focused on decision making more than anything else. There was combat shooting, but it was all geared towards where and when. They also stressed that retreating from a situation is usually the best tactic, unless you or your faminly, SO, friends, etc are in imminent danger. Avoiding bad areas, bad people, etc is the best strategy.

Regarding CCW out of state. You can get reciprocity info from http://www.packing.org and another site which is better, but I can't remember the name. Mark?
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A friend is an adjunct instructor at SIGARMS in New Hampshire. His policy, which he drilled into my head, was:

+ Your brain is your best defense mechanism
+ Leave your firearm holstered until the threat of deadly force, directed your way, is imminent.
+ When it comes down to it, remember: your handguns are for fighting back to your long guns

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
NC Pilot said:
When you really want to be really concealed try this. http://smartcarry.com/
I've carried everything from my Sig P232 to a full sized 1911 (easy to walk in, but needed care to sit). :rofl:
Ordinarily I carry the 1911 in a Milt Sparks VM2.
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Mark, do you carry your 1911 condition one in the smartcarry?
 
Bill Jennings said:
Mark, do you carry your 1911 condition one in the smartcarry?
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Good question, however, I believe a 1911 in Condition One is much safer than a Glock in its standard "revolver" mode. As you know, to fire the 1911 you need to release the safety AND then have positive pressure on the grip safety.
 
Anthony said:
Good question, however, I believe a 1911 in Condition One is much safer than a Glock in its standard "revolver" mode. As you know, to fire the 1911 you need to release the safety AND then have positive pressure on the grip safety.
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Right, and that has me thinking. I like my Glock 21, but am thinking a Pro Carry II type 1911 may be the right choice for carry. I'd just need to get used to the condition one, but in essence, a Glock with a round in the chamber is almost condition one all the time anyway.
 
Bill Jennings said:
Mark, do you carry your 1911 condition one in the smartcarry?
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Yes I do. That is the way the 1911 is designed to be carried and I consider it safe. The safety is protected from accidentally being pushed off.
 
Bill Jennings said:
I'd just need to get used to the condition one, but in essence, a Glock with a round in the chamber is almost condition one all the time anyway.
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I am leary of the Glock's trigger mechanism. They are fine weapons, but the little button on the trigger can snag on fabric and get pulled inadvertantly. I would not wnat this to happen to Mark or anyone else in a Smartcarry. (Ouch!!!) :eek:

I prefer the 1911, Browning Hi Power or a traditional DA/SA auto like a CZ-75D "PCR" or Sig P228 for carry.
 
Anthony said:
I would not wnat this to happen to Mark or anyone else in a Smartcarry. (Ouch!!!) :eek:
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Me either. Especially considering where it is pointed when inserting the gun into the holster...:hairraise:

anthony said:
I prefer the 1911, Browning Hi Power or a traditional DA/SA auto like a CZ-75D "PCR" or Sig P228 for carry.
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I also prefer the 1911, but need to try a Hi Power sometime. Know anyone who owns one???:rofl:
 
According to Glock they have 3 levels of protection, the trigger safety makes up two of them, the trigger latch on the trigger itself and the second is the full trigger squeeze beyond half trigger pull as I rememeber the sales demonstration each are supposed to be separate systems. The idea is that all have to be properly engaged to fire the round.

Its been a while since I got the pitch but thats what I was told!

John
 
NC Pilot said:
I also prefer the 1911, but need to try a Hi Power sometime. Know anyone who owns one???:rofl:
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I'll bring the Hi Power, my CZ's and HK's when we get together. The Hi Power is just THE 9MM pistol. The only negative is that some of them have a stiff trigger pull which is easily remedied by a competent gunsmith. Some of the Hi Powers I've seen done by Teddy Yost or Arizona Gunrunners are just works of art.
 
The whole point of concealed carry is that the weapon is concealed. If it flashes people you haven't got it concealed properly. I even been known to carry into places placarded against it. It's just a risk is rather take than to be caught without my weapon when a situation goes sideways.
Even my church has armed security guards but several dozen men also carry in the congregation. I'd feel real sorry for some slime ball that thought or church was a soft target. Chances are I wouldn't pity them long because we would soon transition to the praying for their souls portion of the program.
I carry a full size 1911 because I can comfortably conceal it over my appendix. Glock make fine duty weapons in open carry but I can't recommend one for concealed carry because they lack a safety of any sort. Regardless of what you call their complicated trigger arraignment all that has to happen is for something, anything to push on that trigger and the famous Glock Reliability will be on full display. Glocks could hit like the hammer of Thor but I wouldn't carry one because in addition to lacking a safety they are ugly as homemade sin.
My 2 cents.
 
It takes a act of Congress to get a permit in California. I am starting the steps now. Never mind the fact that in 1992 the Govt ordered me to walk the streets with a fully automatic weapon during a "civil uprising".
 
That depends on what California county you're in. The red counties (most of the Central Valley and Sierra) are practically shall-issue and have been for years.
 
ateamer said:
That depends on what California county you're in. The red counties (most of the Central Valley and Sierra) are practically shall-issue and have been for years.
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I agree, I should have said Southern and too close to L.A. We are shall issue too but they only have one person processing the permits. This is how they are trying to get around the law. It has taken almost 2 years for some.
 
This thread is old enough to be in second grade, maybe third...
 
I held my first CHL class last Saturday. Got 7 Texans on their way to carrying guns!

Ha! (about the date) Whoops!
 
Bill M. said:
They do. And if you buy one in the wal mart here, they will not even let you carry it out in the box. A manager must carry it out and escort you to the door. Strange!!
I'm not sure about other states, but here in NC, a CCW allows you to also purchase a handgun or long gun with not permit or waiting period. That in itself makes the CCW a good deal.
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Lots of places do this. Cabela's does it too.
 
petrolero said:
Lots of places do this. Cabela's does it too.
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Yep, it depends on where you are located. I bought a small pocket knife in the Sportsmen's Warehouse in Thornton, and the kid behind the counter, had to walk me out after I paid for it. Meanwhile, I was carrying a concealed CZ-75D 9MM. :rolleyes:
 
John Recine said:
According to Glock they have 3 levels of protection, the trigger safety makes up two of them, the trigger latch on the trigger itself and the second is the full trigger squeeze beyond half trigger pull as I rememeber the sales demonstration each are supposed to be separate systems. The idea is that all have to be properly engaged to fire the round.

Its been a while since I got the pitch but thats what I was told!

John
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On safeties and Glocks...

Glocks won't discharge if dropped. That's it. Take one, load a snap cap and proceed to throw it on a carpeted floor at any angle (I did this with my XD). The pin won't drop. But there is no other protection on a Glock. With trained and careful handling by an adult that is plenty. If you pull the trigger of a gun you should expect it to fire... so the Glock mantra goes. I agree to a point. Safeties aren't there to cure stupidity. But they should be able to prevent simple accidents.

I have seen accidental* discharges with Glocks where a guy was holstering it and his finger contacted the holster which bent his finger inward and BANG! I have also heard of Glock triggers snagging on clothing or holster parts.. BANG! In the hands of less trained people who put their fingers immediately inside the trigger guard... well... those people need to be called out if you see them do that.

If you like the Glock, consider an XD instead. It has a grip safety and a loaded chamber indicator for checking condition in the dark. The 1911 has a grip safety AND a thumb safety. Generally I don't think manual safeties like that are necessary and can actually cause problems but a well designed one like on the 1911 actually enables a very firm grip and is in a natural position, at least on my Kimber Ultra CDP II. I can really lock down my grip on a 1911 thanks to the thumb safety and that enables very fast recovery from muzzle flip.

I was once holstering my XD and my finger contacted my holster as mentioned above. My finger got bent inside the guard. I stopped before the trigger was depressed but even if I hadn't stopped the gun would not have fired thanks to the grip safety - which has been around for >100 years. Why Glock ignores it I have no idea.


*many would call this a negligent discharge. I holster now not with finger on frame but with finger sticking out from the frame or even way high up on the slide. Palm of hand goes on the back of the slide so that it is not disengaging the grip safety.
 
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petrolero said:
On safeties and Glocks...

Glocks won't discharge if dropped. That's it. Take one, load a snap cap and proceed to throw it on a carpeted floor at any angle (I did this with my XD). The pin won't drop. But there is no other protection on a Glock. With trained and careful handling by an adult that is plenty. If you pull the trigger of a gun you should expect it to fire... so the Glock mantra goes. I agree to a point. Safeties aren't there to cure stupidity. But they should be able to prevent simple accidents.

I have seen accidental* discharges with Glocks where a guy was holstering it and his finger contacted the holster which bent his finger inward and BANG! I have also heard of Glock triggers snagging on clothing or holster parts.. BANG! In the hands of less trained people who put their fingers immediately inside the trigger guard... well... those people need to be called out if you see them do that.

If you like the Glock, consider an XD instead. It has a grip safety and a loaded chamber indicator for checking condition in the dark. The 1911 has a grip safety AND a thumb safety. Generally I don't think manual safeties like that are necessary and can actually cause problems but a well designed one like on the 1911 actually enables a very firm grip and is in a natural position, at least on my Kimber Ultra CDP II. I can really lock down my grip on a 1911 thanks to the thumb safety and that enables very fast recovery from muzzle flip.

I was once holstering my XD and my finger contacted my holster as mentioned above. My finger got bent inside the guard. I stopped before the trigger was depressed but even if I hadn't stopped the gun would not have fired thanks to the grip safety - which has been around for >100 years. Why Glock ignores it I have no idea.


*many would call this a negligent discharge. I holster now not with finger on frame but with finger sticking out from the frame or even way high up on the slide. Palm of hand goes on the back of the slide so that it is not disengaging the grip safety.
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Saying that Glocks are only a danger to 'less trained' people kinda doesn't jive with the recent data showing considerably higher inadvertent discharge rates that Glocks suffer as compared to other brands among police departments.
 
petrolero said:
I have seen accidental* discharges with Glocks where a guy was holstering it and his finger contacted the holster which bent his finger inward and BANG! I have also heard of Glock triggers snagging on clothing or holster parts.. BANG! In the hands of less trained people who put their fingers immediately inside the trigger guard... well... those people need to be called out if you see them do that.
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This is why I do not have any Glocks. Plus, I just don't like polymer pistols, but they do have their place.
 
ifly4fun said:
Bad Day for Virginians too: Link
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Actually that looks more like it's a bad day for people from 25 other states heading to Virginia than for Virginians.

Agreements will remain with West Virginia, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah.
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I'm still good to visit whilst carrying.

The move also means several states will no longer recognize Virginia’s concealed carry permits because they require mutual recognition of permits. Those include Florida, Louisiana, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Wyoming.
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EdFred said:
Actually that looks more like it's a bad day for people from 25 other states heading to Virginia than for Virginians.

I'm still good to visit whilst carrying.
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Reciprocity is two way which means Virginians are no longer able to carry in 25 states including one's that directly boarder them. I think It's a real bad day for Virginians and they are gonna be ****ed.
 
MotoFlier said:
Reciprocity is two way which means Virginians are no longer able to carry in 25 states including one's that directly boarder them. I think It's a real bad day for Virginians and they are gonna be ****ed.
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Read the entire article. I even quoted the states that won't recognize Virginia now and it wasn't all 25.

Example: Michigan recognizes an Illinois permit, but Illinois will not recognize a Michigan permit.
 
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EdFred said:
Read the entire article. I even quoted the states that won't recognize Virginia now and it wasn't all 25.

Example: Michigan recognizes an Illinois permit, but Illinois will not recognize a Michigan permit.
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My bad I missed that when I skimmed it the first time.
 
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