Commander - it's over

lotta high ranking military peeps getting the boot these days...
 
He should be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog **** out of Hong Kong...
 
I'd be interested in seeing what he actually did, rather than jsut how the charges were classified. What instructions were ignored and how were they ignored? What racial remarks did he make? What innacurate information was submitted on fitness reports?
 
I did not see that he was allowed to retire. The story said he was fired as the commander of the squadron. It also said he was temporarily assigned. I would bet the court martial is pending.
 
silver-eagle said:
I did not see that he was allowed to retire. The story said he was fired as the commander of the squadron. It also said he was temporarily assigned. I would bet the court martial is pending.
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Better than a court-martial would be a temporary duty assignment with the Royal Canadian Air Force to CFS Alert until his retirement paperwork can be processed in 3-5 years.

For reference, here's a map showing the location of CFS Alert:
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silver-eagle said:
I did not see that he was allowed to retire. The story said he was fired as the commander of the squadron. It also said he was temporarily assigned. I would bet the court martial is pending.
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More likely a letter of reprimand and retirement.
 
Court martialed isn't right either but happens enough that it has become acceptable. Martial is an adjective modifying Court. Neither is a verb.

By the way, the plural is courts martial.
 
flyingron said:
Court martialed isn't right either but happens enough that it has become acceptable. Martial is an adjective modifying Court. Neither is a verb.

By the way, the plural is courts martial.
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Court-martial.
 
Tom-D said:
http://www.whidbeynewstimes.com/news/239928871.html



It ain't your Grandpa's navy any more.



I think he is lucky the NAVY is allowing him to retire. These charges are enough to get him court martialed reduced in rank and booted.
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Do you know some inside gouge that the article doesn't mention?

While I agree this isn't grandpa's (or even our dad's) Navy, I don't see something like that going to a CM. CMs these days tend to be for sexual assaults and other atrocities like child pornography.
 
Fearless Tower said:
Do you know some inside gouge that the article doesn't mention?
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No, not much contact with the base anymore, all the guys I associated with are either dead or retired or both.

Falsifying official documents, making false statements, usual very serious charges, add the race card. ????

My opinion, he will be on the admiral's staff until the investigation is completed and decisions made.

In either case his career is over.
 
Depends......past record, politics, angels above him that like him, how really serious are the " charges" , his past fitness reports. They have re assigned him to the pacific somewhere and it could be to let things " calm down" . While he may never be promoted again, he could be allowed to retire without prejudice. It's a big CYA situation. He was in a very responsible position meaning that he was pretty sharp and undoubtedly liked by some above him. Remember tail hook? Much bigger senseless flap about CYA.
 
Agenda politics guys...destruction of the US Military. Just look at how many high ranking men and women of all ranks and services have been sacked since oh eight.

Noah W
 
Many study's have concluded that the current military is way too top heavy. Too many admirals, generals, captains and bird col. Since 2000 the rise in military spending has been astronomical, much of it wasted or unaccounted for billions upon billions. It had to change. Out of control.
 
I don't think this mans problem has anything to do with cost cutting. You don't feel what? What is your way of cutting out of control defense spending?
 
Jimmy cooper said:
They have re assigned him to the pacific somewhere
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no, no. wrong thinking, he was relieved of command and moved down the street 3 buildings and now is assigned to the FLEET VAQ headquarters very close to the guy that he answers to.

like a vacant office where he can set and think about what's about to happen.
 
Jimmy cooper said:
I don't think this mans problem has anything to do with cost cutting. You don't feel what? What is your way of cutting out of control defense spending?
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This has nothing to do with budget, it has to do with a Commander that had control over many lives and careers and was caught lying, falsifying fitness reports and making false official statements.
 
Tom-D said:
This has nothing to do with budget, it has to do with a Commander that had control over many lives and careers and was caught lying, falsifying fitness reports and making false official statements.
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He should make a GREAT president then....;):idea:
 
I'd be willing to bet there was a lot more to the story than meets the eye.....or the Navy Times. The NT is about as reliable as the National Enquirer when it comes to respectable news outlets. I'm not saying there aren't bad apples out there. I am saying there are a lot of oddball subordinates out there who know they can pull one of various novelty cards in an IG case and hammer a Skipper they didn't agree with, on official grounds without much actual evidence. Maybe you don't believe that, but I have seen it. I'm going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt until I hear the full story, much like anyone accused of a crime but presumed to be innocent until proven guilty (like civil courts profess).

As a side note, I'd be VERY surprised to see a CM come from this, and "reduction in rank" is mainly a punishment for the Enlisted side of the house, specifically useful in the case where busting someone down (after some serious transgression) will result in them immediately reaching high year tenure and requiring an admin separation from the services. It is a cleaner way to give a bad Sailor that we don't want the boot, than to ruin the rest of their life with an other than honorable discharge. The same process doesn't work for an officer administratively and legally speaking, though there are equally damaging and career ending punishments out there.
 
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I'd be willing to bet there was a lot more to the story than meets the eye.....or the Navy Times. The NT is about as reliable as the National Enquirer when it comes to respectable news outlets. I'm not saying there aren't bad apples out there. I am saying there are a lot of oddballs subordinates out there who know they can pull one of various novelty cards in an IG case and hammer a Skipper they didn't agree with, on official grounds without much actual evidence. Maybe you don't believe that, but I have seen it. I'm going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt until I hear the full story, much like anyone accused of a crime but presumed to be innocent until proven guilty (like civil courts profess).

As a side note, I'd be VERY surprised to see a CM come from this, and "reduction in rank" is mainly for the Enlisted side of the house.
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Look at the source it ain't the Navy Times. It's the local news quoting the Naval Air Station press release.
 
35 AoA said:
My bad. Either way, I still feel the same way
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I'm sure there is much more to this, but until the dust settles and the whole investigation is over we'll never know.

And yes the NT is a poor source of what is happening in today's navy
 
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