I'm sure the Eclipse will cool the earth sufficiently to prevent warming. I have a model that predicts it. It's going to be published in the Journal of the Flat Earth Society.
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So are you saying that the earth was on track for catastrophic cooling in the 70s, but then the measures taken were too effective and we are now headed in the opposite direction temperature wise?
Climate science is the one that's right, except when it's been wrong. But that can't happen now, because the models.Apples and oranges. Climate isn't nutrition.
Go back in the thread...The accusation that scientists were liars was indeed made. Read the replies earlier.
You can never do #3 on a global scale. So it's never finished. I don't mind that, but jailing people over it is a bit much when you're only at step 2 and can never get to step 3.
It's okay. Nobody minds. We all have our cults. We just find it entertaining that some cults get more offended by the fact that they're human too, than others.
Except that statement is so inaccurate as to be blatantly false. See post #106. To recap: the world was NOT on track for a new ice age (or glacial phase, to be more accurate) in the '60s, and the notion that it was was only speculation by a tiny minority. Even then, most scientists believed that greenhouse warming would dominate over aerosol cooling. I doubt seriously that we've reduced our emissions of particulates enough since then to make THAT much of a difference in the balance.Lol...think I am as blown away by that statement as you are. That's just plane silly (pun intended).
That's not entirely true. You can test by comparing the models against what actually happens over time. So far none of the models have proven accurate.
I'm sure the Eclipse will cool the earth sufficiently to prevent warming. I have a model that predicts it. It's going to be published in the Journal of the Flat Earth Society.
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You deserve a good answer to the question about ice ages. I'm probably not the person to give that "good" answer as I'm not a climatologist. But, the ice ages have been associated with "Milankovitch cycles", changes with the earth's orbit and precession, and changes in the atmospheric composition. Volcanoes have also been involved. The latest change is being associated with increases in CO2 and the source of that is people. The climatologists do know about these interglacial periods, including the "little ice age".How many ice ages have there been?
It's kind of like the nutrition guideline's seesaw that we've had to listen to. Going to the Dr and having to listen to the nutritional recommendations is insulting. If I strictly followed all the conventional wisdom, my diet would be somewhat like the latest fashions, on a 15-20yr cylcle where it all comes back in style. Eggs good, eggs bad, eggs good again. Whole milk good, bad, and good again. Coffee will kill you, coffee is good again.
I'm reminded of Malcolm Muggeridge's quote, "We have educated ourselves into imbecility". It certainly rings true in the headline grabbing popular science that the media rushes to publish.
Please look through the threads...I have quoted enough. Consider starting with this one, where your words suggest dishonesty. Go from there through the thread.Quotes please.
I guess that's what scientists do now, if the numbers don't match your expectation, change them.
All speculation at this point. No solid proof. A real scientist will tell you that.The latest change is being associated with increases in CO2 and the source of that is people.
Please look through the threads...I have quoted enough. Consider starting with this one, where your words suggest dishonesty. Go from there through the thread.
Yes, there is pressure to get grants, and to secure a reputation to get tenure, and so forth. However, falsifying data is found out. We rely on data from others to move forward. If someone has a new synthetic technique applicable to my compound, I'll use it. If I can't get it to work, I'll start with the synthesis of the original compound and see if my technique is correct. If I can't get the original experiment to work, I'll reach out to the paper author to see what I'm doing wrong, or what is different.Climate science is the one that's right, except when it's been wrong. But that can't happen now, because the models.
That was said in jest, these arguments usually get heated at about this point. God gave us each a brain and most of us have enough sense to not be swayed by every wind that blows. Like Nate said, we're all human and subject to normal human pressures. A family friend is a professor at a top tier school and he's told us that there is enormous pressure to secure grants. Until you climb up the chain, then you get to use the money for research. It's naive to assume that science is immune. In fact, I just happen to be reading a book about how political influence and pressure resulted in the Weather Service a receiving a black eye right when it was eagerly trying to establish its credibility in the scientific and public realm.
No need to chase unicorns or look very far, it is only 2 pagesI, in no way, impugned all scientists nor has any one else as far as I recall, I'm not going back through all the posts chasing unicorns, you are way too sensitive about this subject and you seem to have lost your ability to look at this objectively.
So what do you think is going on?All speculation at this point. No solid proof. A real scientist will tell you that.
Mother nature doing what she normally does. Warm, cold, warm, cold, etc. Mankind is nothing but a gnat on an elephant's a** in the overall scheme of things. Not to say that we shouldn't take care of where we live by keeping the air and water clean, but for the most part we're just guests on this planet.So what do you think is going on?
Mother nature doing what she normally does. Warm, cold, warm, cold, etc. Mankind is nothing but a gnat on an elephant's a** in the overall scheme of things. Not to say that we shouldn't take care of where we live by keeping the air and water clean, but for the most part we're just guests on this planet.
Panic = $$$. Al Gore is the perfect example.Panic is the new norm.
Yeah? What's causing the current warm up? We've been able to associate previous glacial and interglacial periods with other events.Mother nature doing what she normally does. Warm, cold, warm, cold, etc. Mankind is nothing but a gnat on an elephant's a** in the overall scheme of things. Not to say that we shouldn't take care of where we live by keeping the air and water clean, but for the most part we're just guests on this planet.
It seems strange to me that the scientific community would believe that the world has been here for billions of years but yet is so fragile and easily manipulated. Life developed at some point and has not only withstood a harsh and hostile environment, but actually thrived and flourished. There have been meteor strikes, volcanos, and large temperature swings from global jungles to ice ages but somehow life has survived and continued up the evolutionary ladder. Extinction has been has been the engine that purifies the genetic pool and gives us the highly adapted life forms we see today. But with nothing more than a snapshot of data, we can declare with confidence that the whole system is falling apart and is headed towards catastrophe. How many times in history could it be said that the climate was changing? At how many points along the billions of years timeline could the creatures have set their hair on fire and declared the end times? The earth has obviously seen warmer, and thrived. Instead we see Al Gore's tidal waves and blizzards, with eventual barrenness. Why not vacations in Iceland and sunbathing in Alaska? At least until it swings back the other way, then maybe I won't have to travel all the way to Colorado to ski!
Everyone needs to take step back and maybe they'll see just how ridiculous the whole thing is. Panic is the new norm.
Yeah? What's causing the current warm up? We've been able to associate previous glacial and interglacial periods with other events.
It seems strange to me that the scientific community would believe that the world has been here for billions of years but yet is so fragile and easily manipulated. Life developed at some point and has not only withstood a harsh and hostile environment, but actually thrived and flourished. There have been meteor strikes, volcanos, and large temperature swings from global jungles to ice ages but somehow life has survived and continued up the evolutionary ladder. Extinction has been has been the engine that purifies the genetic pool and gives us the highly adapted life forms we see today. But with nothing more than a snapshot of data, we can declare with confidence that the whole system is falling apart and is headed towards catastrophe. How many times in history could it be said that the climate was changing? At how many points along the billions of years timeline could the creatures have set their hair on fire and declared the end times? The earth has obviously seen warmer, and thrived. Instead we see Al Gore's tidal waves and blizzards, with eventual barrenness. Why not vacations in Iceland and sunbathing in Alaska? At least until it swings back the other way, then maybe I won't have to travel all the way to Colorado to ski!
Everyone needs to take step back and maybe they'll see just how ridiculous the whole thing is. Panic is the new norm.
It seems strange to me that the scientific community would believe that the world has been here for billions of years but yet is so fragile and easily manipulated. Life developed at some point and has not only withstood a harsh and hostile environment, but actually thrived and flourished. There have been meteor strikes, volcanos, and large temperature swings from global jungles to ice ages but somehow life has survived and continued up the evolutionary ladder. Extinction has been has been the engine that purifies the genetic pool and gives us the highly adapted life forms we see today. But with nothing more than a snapshot of data, we can declare with confidence that the whole system is falling apart and is headed towards catastrophe. How many times in history could it be said that the climate was changing? At how many points along the billions of years timeline could the creatures have set their hair on fire and declared the end times? The earth has obviously seen warmer, and thrived. Instead we see Al Gore's tidal waves and blizzards, with eventual barrenness. Why not vacations in Iceland and sunbathing in Alaska? At least until it swings back the other way, then maybe I won't have to travel all the way to Colorado to ski!
Everyone needs to take step back and maybe they'll see just how ridiculous the whole thing is. Panic is the new norm.
Combination of orbital shift and the multitude of fissures/fractures from plate tectonics allowing the inner molten core to shift around. Same ole same ole as it always has been since the dawn of time. The earth is constantly evolving, and will continue to evolve for many more billions of years after we're long gone.Yeah? What's causing the current warm up?
Politicians control the flow of money. He's getting his data from somewhere. I'm not denying the existence of good scientist or good science but that doesn't exclude the possibility of corrupted science.Al Gore is a politician. How about we keep them out of the discussion since they have their own agenda, either getting elected of getting $$$ as mentioned earlier. Using Al Gore as a spokes person would be like someone using Donald Trump as a spokes person.
We've had highly adapted life forms in the past, one asteroid seems to have changed all that. We do have a fossil record, so we have more than a "snapshot" based on today's animals.
How about we keep the discussion to science? Both sides have people who promote a certain viewpoint because of monetary gain.Politicians control the flow of money. He's getting his data from somewhere. I'm not denying the existence of good scientist or good science but that doesn't exclude the possibility of corrupted science.
The snapshot was in reference to accurate temperature readings.
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How about we keep the discussion to science? Both sides have people who promote a certain viewpoint because of monetary gain.
They're only linked because people can't resist linking them when they start discussing the subject. Science can and should be apolitical.Because the two are inextricably linked.
99% of the applied sciences are apolitical. It's those darn 1%'ers who are mucking it up for everybody else.Science can and should be apolitical.
They're only linked because people can't resist linking them when they start discussing the subject. Science can and should be apolitical.
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How about we keep the discussion to science? Both sides have people who promote a certain viewpoint because of monetary gain.
It seems strange to me that the scientific community would believe that the world has been here for billions of years but yet is so fragile