Cleared Bridge 9 Arrival?

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Probably a dumb question considering I've been Instrument Rated for over a year but it's a first for me....

If ATC says "Cleared via Bridge 9 Arrival" do I fly the altitudes on the chart? Or just fly the fixes and wait for ATC altitude changes? I know if ATC says "Descent via Bridge 9 Arrival" I do, but what about just "Cleared via?"

Thanks.
 
Well without a “maintain (altitude)” on the end of that, I’d comply with the altitudes on the STAR. They should’ve said “descend via the Bridge Nine Arrival” though.
 
Velocity173 said:
Well without a maintain altitude on the end of that, I’d comply with the altitudes on the STAR. They should’ve said “descend via the Bridge Nine Arrival” though.
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That's what confused me. But within a minute they gave me a cleared direct and new altitude. But for that one minute I was torn looking at my MFD. So I want to know for future reference
 
Are you are asking about BRDGE9 at KTPA? It is not a descend via arrival. The altitudes at BRDGE say EXPECT.
 
Cleared via is to follow the lateral portion only. Descend via means to do both altitude and lateral. He should have said cleared via maintain xxx altitude. But if you ever have a doubt, it's best to ask then and there.
 
Mikey52 said:
Cleared via is to follow the lateral portion only. Descend via means to do both altitude and lateral. He should have said cleared via maintain xxx altitude. But if you ever have a doubt, it's best to ask then and there.
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Yeah he didn't say either. I was expecting descend via Bridge 9 Arrival or just an attitude but all he said was cleared Bridge 9 Arrival.
 
Yeah now that I see the actual STAR, it’s expected altitudes so you won’t get “descend via…” Still poor phraseology. Should’ve gotten “cleared to Clearwater via the Bridge Nine Arrival, maintain (altitude).”
 
Garavar said:
Bridge 9 KCLW
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Same arrival according to NOS. Strangely Jepp does not include KCLW on their charts. If I do not hear descend via I stay at my current altitude or whatever new one ATC assigns. If I am on a descend via arrival and have not gotten a descend via clearance, by when I need to descend to make a crossing restriction, I will verify with ATC.
 
Velocity173 said:
Yeah now that I see the actual STAR, it’s expected altitudes so you won’t get “descend via…” Still poor phraseology. Should’ve gotten “cleared to Clearwater via the Bridge Nine Arrival, maintain (altitude).”
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Plano Pilot said:
Same arrival according to NOS. Strangely Jepp does not include KCLW on their charts. If I do not hear descend via I stay at my current altitude or whatever new one ATC assigns. If I am on a descend via arrival and have not gotten a descend via clearance, by when I need to descend to make a crossing restriction, I will verify with ATC.
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So it was poorly worded but I acted correctly, stayed at my altitude until he amended it about 1 minute later. They sounded very busy.
 
Garavar said:
Probably a dumb question considering I've been Instrument Rated for over a year but it's a first for me....

If ATC says "Cleared via Bridge 9 Arrival" do I fly the altitudes on the chart? Or just fly the fixes and wait for ATC altitude changes? I know if ATC says "Descent via Bridge 9 Arrival" I do, but what about just "Cleared via?"

Thanks.
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Depends on if you're in the U.S. or Canada.

In the U.S., you don't descend unless you are asked to "descend via". Cleared X arrival is route only, not altitude.
 
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