Cirrus down near BIS - Pulled chute, everyone ok

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Live ATC for KBIS starts with the 1130Z recording. The actual chute deployment is in the 1200Z recording. Sounds like he had low oil pressure indications and started back towards the airport. Eventually declared an emergency and told approach he pulled the chute. Everyone onboard are ok, but I'll assume with our lovely temperature right now, they would like a hot cup of coffee soon.

https://www.kfyrtv.com/content/news...lane-landing-south-of-Bismarck-505034032.html

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N111TT/history/20190129/1700Z/KBIS/KMKC
 
KaiGywer said:
KBIS 291852Z 33017G30KT 10SM OVC022 M25/M31 A3027 RMK AO2 PK WND 33032/1821 SLP308 T12501311

It's a bit chilly today :)
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...and windy.






But that is a given. ND: Take any weather condition and add 30mph wind. Rain+wind, snow+wind, cold+wind, hail+wind, wind+wind.....
 
the windchill rt now is -55, freezing to death cant be ruled out if anyone is exposed for a little bit of time
 
Is there a cut-away for the chute? If that had been under canopy, it might have gotten interesting with that wind.
 
Wonder if the cold had anything to do with the low oil pressure.
 
No cut-away for the chute.

A COPA post says ATC audio has the pilot saying “N 11 TT is deploying the parachute".

I wonder whether the pilot had a change of heart or the CAPS failed to deploy.
 
Hang 4 said:
Is there a cut-away for the chute? If that had been under canopy, it might have gotten interesting with that wind.
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Hard to tell for sure, but it doesn't look like the chute was deployed because the panel under the back window appears intact. The prop tips in the video look a little curled, so probably a teardown coming regardless of oil pressure loss.
 
Glad they're okay. Nice landing. Based on that picture, it does not look like the chute was deployed.
 
SoonerAviator said:
Hard to tell for sure, but it doesn't look like the chute was deployed because the panel under the back window appears intact. The prop tips in the video look a little curled, so probably a teardown coming regardless of oil pressure loss.
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It didn't deploy. I was commenting on the video and the METARS from nearby. I was putting out a hypothetical and asking if there is a cut-away option if the plane lands under canopy in a real strong wind.
 
Hang 4 said:
Is there a cut-away for the chute? If that had been under canopy, it might have gotten interesting with that wind.
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Yeah, you get out, and take a big knife, and cut it away! Until then, you are a "former PIC, current passenger" at the mercy of the winds.
 
Not in this case but I've wondered what it sounds like in the cabin when the chute blows, is it 120dB?
 
Damn, sounds like he gave up altitude, he got up to 9,000 according to flight aware then atc told him to go to 5,000. That's almost 10 miles of gliding. He did a great job though.
 
Something I've always wondered about...

How do they recover intact planes? If it lands far away from any roads, what kind of vehicle do they send? Do some of them have to be helicoptered out?

If they are able to retrieve it with a flatbed truck or something, how do they transport it safely down a road with the wings sticking out so far?

I've never seen a plane being recovered or driven down the road, and it's something that's always interested me (hope I never find out firsthand).
 
Stingray Don said:
A reporter using vertical video? Seriously?
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One thing I will point out is that it's easier to hold the phone in portrait orientation ("portrait" and "landscape" being the choices.) My nephew has a program on his phone that produces only landscape videos, regardless of how you hold the phone. This should be standard! We see in "landscape mode" and it always seems as if something is missing.
 
LoneAspen said:
Something I've always wondered about...

How do they recover intact planes? If it lands far away from any roads, what kind of vehicle do they send? Do some of them have to be helicoptered out?

If they are able to retrieve it with a flatbed truck or something, how do they transport it safely down a road with the wings sticking out so far?

I've never seen a plane being recovered or driven down the road, and it's something that's always interested me (hope I never find out firsthand).
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I'm pretty sure they remove the wings in the field and place it all on a truck. Unless you land on a road in west Texas like a guy did recently. Then they close the road and tow it 13 miles down the road fully intact. That would not be possible in most places, though.
 
Some tail numbers just roll off the tongue and then some don’t
 
Fallsrider said:
I'm pretty sure they remove the wings in the field and place it all on a truck. Unless you land on a road in west Texas like a guy did recently. Then they close the road and tow it 13 miles down the road fully intact. That would not be possible in most places, though.
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This is ND, similar to TX (except for the temperature) ;) The plan is to get a crane, lift it onto a flatbed and drive it to the airport.
 
So they actually can be successfully landed off field without being under canopy.

One thing I’m still not sure about, did the engine actually stop producing power or did he just have oil pressure issues?
 
Based on the S#830, I suspect he did not have an oil pressure loss although to indications were he did.

The oil pressure warning light is routed through an analogue gauge on the right side of the panel. It not uncommon for the gauge to lose ground, read zero and illuminate the oil light.
 
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LoneAspen said:
Something I've always wondered about...

How do they recover intact planes? If it lands far away from any roads, what kind of vehicle do they send? Do some of them have to be helicoptered out?

If they are able to retrieve it with a flatbed truck or something, how do they transport it safely down a road with the wings sticking out so far?

I've never seen a plane being recovered or driven down the road, and it's something that's always interested me (hope I never find out firsthand).
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In rural ND and if its in one piece: On a rollback tow-truck turned 45degrees. You may have to pop some stop signs off their bases, but a two lane road with shoulders gives you plenty of room to work with.

If it got rolled on its back or if the wings need to come off anyway but the plane itself is salvagable, it goes on the back of a gooseneck platform trailer. The wings are stored upright in slings left and right of the fuse. If the gear is intact, you just tie down the gearlegs to the flatbed. If the gear is broke, the fuse gets tied down on some cribbing or tires.
 
DutchRoller said:
So they actually can be successfully landed off field without being under canopy.

One thing I’m still not sure about, did the engine actually stop producing power or did he just have oil pressure issues?
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From what I've heard, he had partial power for a while, but not enough to maintain altitude. Hence the off field landing 9 miles short of the airport.
Clip4 said:
Based on the S#830, I suspect he did not have an oil pressure loss although to indications were he did.

The oil pressure warning light is routed through an analogue gauge on the right side of the panel. It not uncommon for the gauge to lose ground, read zero and illuminate the oil light.
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Not sure what "S#830" means, but you'd suspect wrong.
 
Clip4 said:
Based on the S#830, I suspect he did not have an oil pressure loss although to indications were he did.

The oil pressure warning light is routed through an analogue gauge on the right side of the panel. It not uncommon for the gauge to lose ground, read zero and illuminate the oil light.
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F the engine in this situation, I'm pulling power back to a slow cruise and flying to an airport, let it come from together. That said, I can't imagine this guy landing in a field with power still coming out of that engine. Time will tell.
 
If the chute didn’t deploy,do you get a refund on just the chute,or both the aircraft and the chute. Glad everyone is fine.
 
KaiGywer said:
From what I've heard, he had partial power for a while, but not enough to maintain altitude. Hence the off field landing 9 miles short of the airport.


Not sure what "S#830" means, but you'd suspect wrong.
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Serial number 830
 
KaiGywer said:
This is ND, similar to TX (except for the temperature) ;) The plan is to get a crane, lift it onto a flatbed and drive it to the airport.
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That's even better. It looks like the plane is very intact. it would be nice to not have to remove the wings if one doesn't have to.
 
Just put it in a box.

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http://roadrunnersinternationale.com/transporting_the_a-12.html

Google

transporting aircraft by road

has some other fun results.
 
scottfromboston said:
Avidyne EMS started with SN #435 (or so). This is an early G2. No analogue gauges.
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Slight correction, G2s through mid 2006 or so (serial #1800 or so) had avidyne PFD and MFD AND analog gauges on the right side of the panel. After that they removed the analog gauges and put in the little glove box cubby hole on the right side.
 
RudyP said:
Slight correction, G2s through mid 2006 or so (serial #1800 or so) had avidyne PFD and MFD AND analog gauges on the right side of the panel. After that they removed the analog gauges and put in the little glove box cubby hole on the right side.
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Hm. You're right.

You'd think I'd readily recall this.
Scott
SN #480
 
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scottfromboston said:
Avidyne EMS started with SN #435 (or so). This is an early G2. No analogue gauges.
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G2s do have analogue engines gauges with Avidyne. I the reason I know is because I fly one after serial number 770 equipped like that.
 
Given the extra cold temperatures, it could sound like an iced up gascolator, especially if he only had limited power. Unfortunately the evidence (snow in the gascolator) usually melts from residual engine heat after touchdown.
 
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